Euro Super League - Perez

[TheChosenOne]

There was I sitting out in the garden wearing nowt but me speedos and flip flops when I coughed up a curly fry while reading this article in the Sunday Times...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article6637943.ece

The bit that made me nearly cough my heart up was the possible inclusion of Celtic and Rangers.


Your thoughts ?

 

[talkshowhost86]

The idea of a super league is ridiculous. The idea of a super league including Scottish clubs is hilarious.

 

[deselina]

not perez who included the scottish clubs though. wouldn't surprise me if ian hawkey was scottish himself.

 

[Bonjour]

"We have to agree a new European Super League which guarantees that the best always play the best"

Translates to "We have to agree a new European Super League which guarantees that the best always be the best"

Pretty much what has happened with the event of the Premier League in the UK.

 

[punky]

I've always thought the Champions League would do better as erm... a league as opposed to a cup competition. Its a better measurement of skill as opposed to a knock-out competition. Also I think having a fixed number of matches and fixed length games would help organisation as well.

Extra time and penalties are fun, but if we want a true measurement of champions, then surely a league is the only accurate way.

 

[worcestersauce]

I've always thought the Champions League would do better as erm... a league as opposed to a cup competition. Its a better measurement of skill as opposed to a knock-out competition. Also I think having a fixed number of matches and fixed length games would help organisation as well.

Extra time and penalties are fun, but if we want a true measurement of champions, then surely a league is the only accurate way.

If we want a true measurement of champions then we should only include champions in it not clubs that have not been champions for five years or twenty years.
Sadly it's not about champions any more perhaps they should drop the name.

 

[Partizan]

I've always thought the Champions League would do better as erm... a league as opposed to a cup competition. Its a better measurement of skill as opposed to a knock-out competition. Also I think having a fixed number of matches and fixed length games would help organisation as well.

Extra time and penalties are fun, but if we want a true measurement of champions, then surely a league is the only accurate way.

Porto, Greece, Liverpool etc all deserved their european cups in their time.

The beauty of the knockout round is that it can easily produce unpredictable results, something that should be encouraged, not taken away.

 

[3Dnata]

Don't like the sound of this.
If it means that you aren't part of what is currently considered the best you won't have a chance to break into the CL then I'm against it.
We wouldn't be able to even dream of breaking into the big 4.

 

[fieryjack]

There was I sitting out in the garden wearing nowt but me speedos and flip flops when I coughed up a curly fry while reading this article in the Sunday Times...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article6637943.ece
The bit that made me nearly cough my heart up was the possible inclusion of Celtic and Rangers.
Your thoughts ?

Post the picture.
The rest of Scottish football should just tell these 2 to fuck right off, they`re always going on about joining this league or that league.

Don't like the sound of this.
If it means that you aren't part of what is currently considered the best you won't have a chance to break into the CL then I'm against it.
We wouldn't be able to even dream of breaking into the big 4.

Oh yes we would, we`d still be behind Everton, Villa, Citeh and Wham. Simples.

 

[Pringle]

i can see where people who say "should be a league" rather than a cup but unless you can get relegated out of it then that simply is a waste of time. The good thing about a cup is that any1 can win it and if they are still in it then they will pretty much always try their best (us and villa being the exception it seems). However if it was a league - if a few teams lost the first couple of games wud they still put out their best team every week? prob not as could impact there national league/cup comps!! It should either stay as a cup or if it is a league then promotion to and relegation from the league should happen

 

[tototoner]

Euro-League will only work if those clubs leave their domestic leagues, doubt the fans would agree to that but also doubt if they'd be consulted.

 

[DogsOfWar]

The key to this is Perez's comment about keeping the domestic leagues and only threatening to breakaway if they don't give in to his demands.
The cheeky sod wants his cake and eat it. The top four will still get all that Sky money as well as the super league money guaranteed.

The fact that he is not willing to breakaway full stop suggests that he knows it would be a gamble, would the new Euro league actually be that popular with the fans of teams who were not represented? For example I watch the CL because I recognise our teams in it and know that Spurs may, one day, qualify for the competition. If this wasn't the case would I still be that interested?
Would I prefer to watch Wigan V West Ham because I know this game effects the league Spurs are in rather than Lyon V Bayern Munich?

If this is the case for every other non-Euro league team in Europe then the revenues for the Euro league would plummet leaving the heavily in debt clubs out of business.

Remember in the Premiership we could have attendances between 25,000-40,000 for every game still so there would still be a huge fan base for our own league.
How would the papers report the football news? Ronaldo leaving United interests me because it should weaken them but I'm not really interested in any other European league's detail so would I be as interested if United were in the super league? Advertising and sponsorship revenues would drop due to less popularity in the coverage of the standalone league.

The CL would still be in place and we'd have a bloody good chance of qualifying for it and maybe winning it. The amount of teams in the Euro league would be limited so a lot of big European clubs would still be playing in the CL.
Again, I would have thought this would still have more appeal to each nation than the super league.

Another issue would be the lack of domestic cup competition for the super league participants. At the moment the top four probably play somewhere between 55-60 games a season which are all sell-outs. A 16 team super league would reduce this to 32 games, plus a maximum of 4 more if they had a cup competition as well. That's a loss of around 1/3 of their income which they certainly couldn't sustain.

How would the average fan feel knowing that they couldn't get to away games or get in an early round cup game against a minnow? Would the average United fan find themselves drifting towards their local team such as Stockport or Rochdale, or transferring their glory boy allegiance to City just so they could attend a game?

Yet another issue is just how much each league's top teams would want it. Celtic and Rangers would probably love it as they generate bugger all income from their domestic league so would benefit hugely but would our top four who sit on huge domestic revenues? They probably wouldn't be any better off so would worry more about teams such as Celtic and Rangers strengthening whilst they stood still.

And talking of Scottish clubs, or any other small league, there is a good chance that none of their teams would be in it so their could be a huge lack of interest in the competition from a lot of nations. And if our top four disappeared then that would be a golden opportunity to create a British league and bring the two Scottish giants in. thereby strengthening the game on these shores even more.

Overall my feelings are that we should call their bluff. I think we are in a stronger position than many realise and Perez's panicky comments, after he's spent ridiculous sums of money, would suggest this is the case.
I can see far more cons to the idea than pros and maybe it's about time the tail stopped wagging the dog in this country.

 

[SpurSince57]

A shame we haven't got that wanker smiley any more. I suppose :duh: will have to do for Sr. Perez.

'We have to agree a new European Super League which guarantees that the best always play the best'.

Real, of course, are the greatest football club in the world, despite having won the European Cup/CL just three times since I left school (and five of their other six wins occurred when I was still in short trousers). Such a shame they've barely been able to stagger past the quarter-finals since 2002—who was that tosser who got rid of the best manager they've had in the modern era? It's quite slipped my mind.

Seems like G14 isn't dead after all—but perhaps this megalomaniac **** would prefer it to be G1.

 

[midland_spur]

The powers that be have already taken all that's fun and sporting out of top level football so why not go the extra mile and introduce a self congratulatory non-competitive league into play?

Oh that's right they already have, it's called the premier league...

 

[deselina]

i'm not worried about the euro super league. ajax were one of 4 founding members of g14, we know we're gonna be in it.

na na na na naaa

 

[talkshowhost86]

Surely Ajax aren't even one of the 14 biggest clubs in Holland anymore?

 

[deselina]

oh so bitter!

 

[deselina]

Surely Ajax aren't even one of the 14 biggest clubs in Holland anymore?

there are 102 members in the european club association and you're still not in it!!!

na na na naaaa

 

[SpurSince57]

i'm not worried about the euro super league. ajax were one of 4 founding members of g14, we know we're gonna be in it.

na na na na naaa

Sadly, things have moved on since those heady days, except for Ajax fans overdoing all that legal dope.

 

[deselina]

g14 were formed in 2000. we have won 9 trophies since then. that's an average of 1 trophy a year, we're doing fine thank you