European Conference League 2021/22

[nferno]

Ah man bt sport not showing Mou’s interview, wanted to see if he’d do any funny shit-stirring about his time here

 

[cwy21]

CL final has to be better than that...

 

[YB123]

Ridiculous that we didn't give him the final

He could have shithoused that trophy as City wasn't great that day.

All to save a potential £5m payout if we won it.

 

[freeeki]

If I speak I’ll be banned for 6 months

 

[SSC]

Ridiculous that we didn't give him the final

He could have shithoused that trophy as City wasn't great that day.

Would you trade a single League Cup win under Jose for what we now have with Conte? As I think its fairly certain one would not have led to the other... I certainly wouldn't.

 

[taidgh]

Would you trade a single League Cup win under Jose for what we now have with Conte? As I think its fairly certain one would not have led to the other... I certainly wouldn't.

In an alternate universe, Jose wins the cup with us, starts the next season badly, and then gets sacked in November, at which point...we hire Antonio Conte.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Would you trade a single League Cup win under Jose for what we now have with Conte? As I think its fairly certain one would not have led to the other... I certainly wouldn't.

I don’t think anyone’s complaining about where things have ended up. But that doesn’t mean there was a good football based reason to sack Jose before the cup final. There wasn’t.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

Just shows players will celebrate any trophy. Fair play

We are craving a trophy but just wouldn't feel comfortable seeing kane and son do a dance after winning this

We haven't won a major trophy since the FA Cup. We've won two league cups in the 30+ years since then

As fans we need to stop turning our noses up at "lesser competitions" and start understanding what it feels like to win something tangible - and develop a winning mentality, rather than focusing on a competition we've never won, and another we haven't won in more than sixty years

Kompany said winning the FA Cup in 2011 (by then degraded as a competition) was a turning point for them. Winning a "lesser competition" could be - in tandem with the investment etc - the same catalyst for us...

 

[rossdapep]

I don’t think anyone’s complaining about where things have ended up. But that doesn’t mean there was a good football based reason to sack Jose before the cup final. There wasn’t.

I'm not so sure about that.

Plenty of people are forgetting how long our listless performances had been under him leading up to the final.

What about the Everto. game where he just sat on the touchline with a sulk and barely muttered a word.

He had several meetings with the players to try get them back on side but his constant chopping and changing meant players were fed up and stopped responding to him.

I don't know how he was going to galvanize them together for a final because it sure felt like he had lost it.

Somebody made a great point about how we were unfortunate that the final wasn't in its typical month. Because if it had have been, he would probably have been able to get players up for it.

He should have been sacked after the Zagreb debacle. Because that was the result that showed it had finished with him.

Instead we limped through game after game, many of which were so numb to watch. It was clear he was done and I had no confidence we'd win with him.

Don't forget he lost to Conte in his last domestic final so it wasn't a guarantee he'd win that and the previous run of games told me that we stood very little chance of beating City with him

 

[RuskyM]

Mourinho wouldn’t have won the final, come on now. We lost to a team with their manager in prison ffs, we weren’t going to beat the best side around.

 

[1882andallthat]

Mourinho wouldn’t have won the final, come on now. We lost to a team with their manager in prison ffs, we weren’t going to beat the best side around.

We'll never know the answer to that one. We beat City against all the odds in Nuno's first game of the season a few months later. Who knows what can happen in a 90 minute one off cup final game on the day, far stranger things have happened in other cup finals than would have been the case if we'd beaten City in that League Cup final in 2021.

 

[1882andallthat]

I'm not so sure about that.

Plenty of people are forgetting how long our listless performances had been under him leading up to the final.

What about the Everto. game where he just sat on the touchline with a sulk and barely muttered a word.

He had several meetings with the players to try get them back on side but his constant chopping and changing meant players were fed up and stopped responding to him.

I don't know how he was going to galvanize them together for a final because it sure felt like he had lost it.

Somebody made a great point about how we were unfortunate that the final wasn't in its typical month. Because if it had have been, he would probably have been able to get players up for it.

He should have been sacked after the Zagreb debacle. Because that was the result that showed it had finished with him.

Instead we limped through game after game, many of which were so numb to watch. It was clear he was done and I had no confidence we'd win with him.

Don't forget he lost to Conte in his last domestic final so it wasn't a guarantee he'd win that and the previous run of games told me that we stood very little chance of beating City with him

I don't think anyone is saying it was a guaranteed win against City that day if Mourinho hadn't been sacked less than a week earlier. All we're saying is we'll never know because he wasn't given the opportunity to put it to the test. That is something he and others can always level against us and objectively it's difficult to argue with that.

If Wigan had sacked their manager Martinez in the week before the final in the season they went down, would they have still beaten Man City, because them beating City in that final was a big shock and had we beaten them in 2021 the Wigan result would easily rank as a far bigger shock.