UEFA Champions League 21/22

[thebenjamin]

Yeah this sounds fucked up. Basically local gangs lying in wait with weapons, ambushing fans with machetes and the police letting them get on with it while they teargassed children instead.

 

[carmeldevil]

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

Ahh the French police have been tear gassing & pepper spraying their own citizens including children and OAP's for the past 4 years they're not going to have any qualms about doing so to football supporters, especially from UK.

Especially if they're from England. I'm not sure how they'd treat people from the Celtic nations.

 

[spark7586]

So the side that many people have spaffed over being “the greatest English side ever” finish the season as runners up in the league and have had to rely on penalties to win the FA cup and League cup because they failed to score a single goal in any of the three finals they were involved in. Greatest my arse. Hopefully that’s them done now.

Fingers crossed! IMO one of the greatest sides was Fergies treble winners and Liverscum are no where near that side - take klopp away and they’ll soon drop.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Just reading through the thread I haven't looked at in depth what happened last night in France, but by the sounds of it it was a perfect storm of a lot of things going wrong at the same time.

French football has been plagued with crowd trouble this season, and the handling of the world cup when it was in France was hardly inspiring, with violence in and outside the stadium. Seems to be a problem in France with handling sports events.

I know we had issues in England with the final at Wembley but overall the authorities in the UK seem much better equipped at handling major sports events.

There probably was locals trying to get into the stadium, Liverpool fans without tickets trying to get into the stadium, If 60,000 fans are trying to get to a game where only 20,000 have tickets been issued they're not making that journey because they will not be trying to chance getting into the stadium. If I didn't have a ticket I wouldn't be travelling abroad.

Also I think the French police and whoever was in charge of getting fans in were poorly prepared. The whole fans with fake tickets is very bizarre to me, with the level of technology these days surely tickets would have QR codes fans would scan at the stadium, Can you fake a QR code? It should be digital on a phone.

On Liverpool totally over the moon they lost. Klopp comes across as a manager that likes to win easy, if the opposition don't make it easy it really rattles him as I think deep down he knows he hasn't got a solution.

Its shocking that they never beat a top four team this season and never scored in 3 cup finals, and won two on penalties. That's not the mark of a great team. They were only only in the race for the title because we beat City twice, and of the 3 games they lost all season 2 of them were against us.

They haven't come close to matching the United team. They've won one league title since Klopp took over in 2015 and been runners up twice. 3 champions league finals 2 of which they lost. They're a very good side and play very good football but they are long way off being one of the 'greats'. They're not dominating domestically or Europe. Also holding a parade on the anniversary of Heysel is such poor taste. For a fan base that have suffered Hillsborough they really don't want to face up to their own actions with what happened with the Juventus fans.

On Madrid - winning 5 of the last 9 and previously 3 in a row in the modern era with the level of competition that there is now is an outstanding achievement, That's the greatest club football side in history.

But I also don't think Pool are in decline. Sides still young, playing at 30 isn't old, still got a great squad, plenty of depth, United are a mess, Chelsea need a huge rebuild, we need to be really on point this summer with recruitment. I personally don't think they will fall away but City are still the strongest team in this league.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Fake tickets is going to be the official line doubt anyone will get any compensation just promises about future events. As the CL tickets have a QR code and assume the turnstiles open with the code how did the fakes work.
Might have missed them but not heard of these sort of problems when Rugby has been held at Stade de France ,which it has been for years.

Champions League final: France blames 'massive' ticket fraud as policing row rages

Chaotic scenes outside Saturday's Champions League final saw Liverpool fans pepper sprayed by police.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[spurs mental]

 

[VegasII]

That’s brilliant.

 

['O Zio]

Fake tickets is going to be the official line doubt anyone will get any compensation just promises about future events. As the CL tickets have a QR code and assume the turnstiles open with the code how did the fakes work.
Might have missed them but not heard of these sort of problems when Rugby has been held at Stade de France ,which it has been for years.

Champions League final: France blames 'massive' ticket fraud as policing row rages

Chaotic scenes outside Saturday's Champions League final saw Liverpool fans pepper sprayed by police.

www.bbc.co.uk

The fake ticket thing sounds like bollocks to me. There are loads of stories of people who had legit tickets who were told they had fakes as soon as the scanner didnt work. Even Robertson was saying after the game that his family/friends were told the same even though they got their tickets from him. I've no doubt there were some fake tickets going about, but more likely to me is that the system for scanning the tickets wasn't working properly and the stewards just immediately started throwing accusations about and it's a convenient excuse to fall back on

Even if we for arguments sake assume that there were an overwhelming number of fake tickets, that still doesn't excuse the dangerously incompetent route planning and crowd management, and even less so the massive overreaction from the riot police. Let's be honest regardless of what may or may not have led to the situation, indescriminantly teargassing and charging a crowd of men, women, and children of all ages who are penned into a confined space is just inexcusable.

No doubt UEFA will conduct a complete and thorough enquiry before determining that all official protocols were followed and no wrongdoing occurred and brush it all under the carpet while blaming the "drunken yob" English hooligans.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

The fake ticket thing sounds like bollocks to me. There are loads of stories of people who had legit tickets who were told they had fakes as soon as the scanner didnt work. Even Robertson was saying after the game that his family/friends were told the same even though they got their tickets from him. I've no doubt there were some fake tickets going about, but more likely to me is that the system for scanning the tickets wasn't working properly and the stewards just immediately started throwing accusations about and it's a convenient excuse to fall back on

Even if we for arguments sake assume that there were an overwhelming number of fake tickets, that still doesn't excuse the dangerously incompetent route planning and crowd management, and even less so the massive overreaction from the riot police. Let's be honest regardless of what may or may not have led to the situation, indescriminantly teargassing and charging a crowd of men, women, and children of all ages who are penned into a confined space is just inexcusable.

No doubt UEFA will conduct a complete and thorough enquiry before determining that all official protocols were followed and no wrongdoing occurred and brush it all under the carpet while blaming the "drunken yob" English hooligans.

Your right but unfortunately police in many countries take a different course of action than we are used to in the UK with no questions being asked and I doubt very much if any action will be taken against those police. French police have no qualms against using pepper spray & tear gas against people.

French police criticised for using pepper spray on climate protesters

Video showing police removing seated demonstrators in Paris causes outrage on social media

www.theguardian.com

 

[Dead Ringer]

It’s probably not so much as fake tickets as such, but duplicates. You can print out QR or barcodes onto multiple pieces of paper but the first one through the turnstile will be fine, the poor sod with the legitimate ticket will be screwed and understandably upset

 

[Gb160]

The organisation and policing at the final was obviously shit, but Ive got this nagging feeling this wouldn't even be a story if Liverpool had won...or if it was a different English club in the final.

 

[aliyid]

I’m not sure the wheels are coming off but loosing Mane and Salah starting to age will damage them massively. One can’t overestimate how good those two have been over the last few seasons. It’s not going to be that’s easy to replace them. Diaz looks a good it’s true, but not on that level yet.

And people can say EXACTLY the same about Kane and Son.

People DO say the same about Kane and Son. The key difference is the contracts of both Mane and Salah run out next season

Mane has already said publicly that he wants to leave and Salah has turned down all contract extensions. Sounds as though he’s looking to run his contract down for a big final contract next year (Mbappe style).

They’ll still be challenging next season but I’d expect their levels to drop off from last two-three seasons.

 

[mano-obe]

This sort of thing has happened before. I remember United fans getting a pasting from the Roman old bill, Spurs at Sevilla springs to mind, City fans have got a few beatings by the old bill in Spain too, France has a rep with their old bill and English fans as well.

It seems we live on this old reputation, it doesn't help that our media make out its still bad at times when its one of the safest countries in Europe to watch a match.

I'm sort of glad this happened to Liverpool (hear me out) because their fans won't give up, while the likes of us, United, City etc have fallen on deaf ears, Liverpool fans aren't the sort of fans to let things slide. The last time the authorities blamed ticklet-less fans and hooliganism that backfired tremendously, they went on a twenty year rampage to clear their name.

Its about time the English fan can go abroad and be safe from hooligans and the the police brutality.

If the Scousers can cause an uproar I'm all for it. It makes me nervous when Spurs fans travel abroad and having to worry they'll get home in one piece.

 

[mr ashley]

This sort of thing has happened before. I remember United fans getting a pasting from the Roman old bill, Spurs at Sevilla springs to mind, City fans have got a few beatings by the old bill in Spain too, France has a rep with their old bill and English fans as well.

It seems we live on this old reputation, it doesn't help that our media make out its still bad at times when its one of the safest countries in Europe to watch a match.

I'm sort of glad this happened to Liverpool (hear me out) because their fans won't give up, while the likes of us, United, City etc have fallen on deaf ears, Liverpool fans aren't the sort of fans to let things slide. The last time the authorities blamed ticklet-less fans and hooliganism that backfired tremendously, they went on a twenty year rampage to clear their name.

Its about time the English fan can go abroad and be safe from hooligans and the the police brutality.

If the Scousers can cause an uproar I'm all for it. It makes me nervous when Spurs fans travel abroad and having to worry they'll get home in one piece.

Reading more about what happened it certainly doesn’t make me want to watch a football match in France any time soon.
French football fans at the moment remind me of the 80s.
Scary.

 

[cwy21]

As much as I want to make fun of Liverpool supporters, I feel terrible for the people who spent so much money to go to Paris and then get treated like that as if they were caged animals. The fact that kids and elderly people got tear gassed at a football event in 2022 in western Europe is just insane.

 

[riggi]

 

[Marty]

Liverpool vs Real Madrid policing a 'failure' — Paris police chief

The head of Paris police has acknowledged the force’s handling of the Champions League final was a “failure”. Didier Lallement also revealed that a figure which estimated the attendance of 30,000 to 40,000 ticketless fans had “no scientific virtue”. However, he criticised Liverpool for...

theathletic.com

Yeah because that's the only two ways you can police a crowd

 

[teok]

Amazing. Like it's from a video recorded security camera at a newsagent in a 90's episode of cracker.

 

[tobi]

How convenient.