European Super League Mega Thread

[Tonio]

If, and its a big if, this does go ahead, and the premier league tried to kick out the 5-6 English clubs that planned to enter the new competition they would really just be ruining there own competition. The EPL without the so called big six would be near worthless, the TV companies would have clauses/and or renegotiate new far far lower deals not much better than the championship.

And what would newly expelled top 6 clubs do domestically? Well surely just create their own new English elite top league, inviting another 6-10 English ( maybe even incorporate the 2 Glasgow clubs) TV would be all over it, it really just ends up restructuring top level football with new organisations. As long as there is some sort of promotional access to the so called lesser clubs it would probably work and with time be grudgingly accepted.

Football as we know it would just continue to evolve as at has done for the last 20-30 years. But with the major difference that the big clubs dominate the new financial structures, and like it or not that's what all the big clubs want, who after all invest the big bucks and from a business point of view draw the most income from external sources ( TV & advertising etc).

Our footballing suffering will continue, just in a different format

Good post. Imagine the premier league title race between Palace and West Ham. Zzz

 

[fridgemagnet]

Players cottoned on (eventually) that without them these multi-billion £ TV contracts that the likes of SKY, BT, Amazon etc dish out wouldn't happen. They are the "show", as much as we can all get disgusted about the wages heading north of £160k plus a week even for someone that with the greatest of respect are bang average; you seen an increase in players running their contracts down.

I don't know enough about American egg ball but I know the revenue split between club and player is a lot closer than most other sports (hence the large numbers off NFL players a long way up on Forbes sports rich-list) so it stands to reason players and agents have looked at that and gone "we should be on those numbers"

The genie is out of the bottle, when those broadcasters paid massive money to the clubs it should've been iron-clad and ring fenced that a certain percentage is passed on to match day fans i.e cheaper tickets and easier abilities for everyone to be able to get to a game (not just the well heeled who buy a season ticket and then only pick to attend the big matches)

I don't like the direction football's been headed, one things a certain that however long this has been in discussion none of them predicted a global pandemic stopping fans for 2 years. Some clubs have living beyond their means and need to scrabble back some income.

I personally hope it's just a negotiation thing, it doesn't help that in part due SKY having the monopoly for decades some "fans" "pundits" "broadcasters" seem to go along with a narrative that football didn't exist before the Premier league.

 

[dagraham]

As I’ve said I’m not that keen on this. But is it that much different from when the premier league broke away from the EFL?

I think it’s fundamentally different. Yes, you can say the PL breaking away still created an “us and them” elitist situation, but the key thing was it wasn’t a closed shop. If you made it to the PL you could join the party.

 

[NickHSpurs]

Arsenal owner is vice chairman of the whole super league. Let that sink in, we’d be competing in a league where our rivals have a bigger stake in the actual league than we do.

Levy happy to be anyone else’s bitch for the right price.

 

[Dave1882]

Premier League clubs are fcuking stupid. They have a much bigger TV deal than other leagues and now that will be leveled up more.

The whole idea stinks. Football doesn't need super League. We will get battered most weeks with our current management

Probably a case for PL clubs, that if they don’t jump on board, they risk being left behind by other European clubs that breakaway. So although we’re market leaders, there’s a risk for not showing willing to be involved

 

[ardiles]

"They also reiterated Fifa's stance that players taking part in the Super League would be banned from all other competitions at domestic, European or world level and could be prevented from representing their national teams."

well that's that, then.

They should also ban any player from an SL club from joining a non-SL club for, say, a minimum of 3 seasons. So if any SL club wants to get rid of any of their players, they’d have to sell him to another SL club or keep that player until his contract runs out. When the contract runs out, that player would be in limbo for three seasons unless he can join another SL club or alternatively retire from the game.

 

[dimiSpur]

It's a funny one. I understand everyone screaming about it, it is really greedy. But if you could earn double what you're currently earning wouldn't you? Would you say "no, I'd like the bloke down the road doing the same thing to be on level terms with me"?

Also, this is not something, I understand, will replace any PL or CL competition. Therefore whilst clubs seemingly don't get in on sporting merit (which is the biggest issue), it's not going to replace the European Cup unless these clubs are expelled from UEFA or domestic leagues. So really, it's the FA, UEFA and the PL which will decide if this competition replaces their competitions, if you really think about it.

 

[tiger666]

Arsenal owner is vice chairman of the whole super league. Let that sink in, we’d be competing in a league where our rivals have a bigger stake in the actual league than we do.

Levy happy to be anyone else’s bitch for the right price.

Is it Levy though? Joe's the majority owner.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I personally hope it's just a negotiation thing

In my humble onion, It almost certainly is. It would amaze me if they actually went through with this, it's such a massively unpopular idea that it happening would beggar belief. And we're assuming it's all actually true.

It really wouldn't surprise me if this whole thing were a media plot to drive the agenda against Spurs

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

I’m seeing a lot of people say we’d be whipping boys in the ESL. Just purely out of interest, if that’s one of the reasons you’d be against it, aside from the obvious, what are your thoughts on us participating in the CL where we’d likely face those same teams who’d make us whipping boys if we got far enough? Would you rather we played in the EL as we’d have a considerably better chance of winning it? In that case, what makes the CL more appealing than the EL?

 

[NickHSpurs]

Is it Levy though? Joe's the majority owner.

Whoever, point still stands.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

The hypocrisy from EUFA and FIFA is mind numbing - FIFA's own regulations prevent political or government or third party interference in the game (I wonder why?)........and now that regulation may well come back to bite them on the arse!

 

[fortworthspur]

It's a funny one. I understand everyone screaming about it, it is really greedy. But if you could earn double what you're currently earning wouldn't you? Would you say "no, I'd like the bloke down the road doing the same thing to be on level terms with me"?

Also, this is not something, I understand, will replace any PL or CL competition. Therefore whilst clubs seemingly don't get in on sporting merit (which is the biggest issue), it's not going to replace the European Cup unless these clubs are expelled from UEFA or domestic leagues. So really, it's the FA, UEFA and the PL which will decide if this competition replaces their competitions, if you really think about it.

how will Madrid play CL, La Liga and super league fixtures at the same time? It may not eliminate the UEFA competitions but it will water them down tremendously, and the super league, too. Honestly you'll end up with two crappier competitions. And the super league will likely be the more boring of the two as you will get the same fixtures year in and year out.

 

[kr1978]

As I’ve said I’m not that keen on this. But is it that much different from when the premier league broke away from the EFL?

Completely different for me, this is a closed shop-no relegation, no promotion just a never ending merry go round of exhibition matches.

6 clubs attempting to permanently pull the ladder up and two fingers to the rest of the teams and leagues.

 

[RichieS]

how will Madrid play CL, La Liga and super league fixtures at the same time? It may not eliminate the UEFA competitions but it will water them down tremendously, and the super league, too. Honestly you'll end up with two crappier competitions. And the super league will likely be the more boring of the two as you will get the same fixtures year in and year out.

If they are allowed by the PL/EFL/FA, I can see the English SL teams playing PL, SL and one of the domestic cups. Too many fixtures otherwise.

 

[Chimbo!]

The whole thing stinks but you can’t criticise Levy here. He’s protecting the club’s future.

But if this happens, it will be incredibly sad. And also our trophy drought will continue forever. We’d be the whipping boys of that league.

 

[Jamturk]

The strength of the top 6 + 2 not far behind in Leicester and Everton is problematic for the foreign owners as 8 into 4 just doesn't fit.

 

[C0YS]

If, and its a big if, this does go ahead, and the premier league tried to kick out the 5-6 English clubs that planned to enter the new competition they would really just be ruining there own competition. The EPL without the so called big six would be near worthless, the TV companies would have clauses/and or renegotiate new far far lower deals not much better than the championship.

And what would newly expelled top 6 clubs do domestically? Well surely just create their own new English elite top league, inviting another 6-10 English ( maybe even incorporate the 2 Glasgow clubs) TV would be all over it, it really just ends up restructuring top level football with new organisations. As long as there is some sort of promotional access to the so called lesser clubs it would probably work and with time be grudgingly accepted.

Football as we know it would just continue to evolve as at has done for the last 20-30 years. But with the major difference that the big clubs dominate the new financial structures, and like it or not that's what all the big clubs want, who after all invest the big bucks and from a business point of view draw the most income from external sources ( TV & advertising etc).

Our footballing suffering will continue, just in a different format

I would say even if they did remain in the competition would be not in particularly better shape. The deals will also lose value particularly as there would be no race for the champions league, or no one would really care. A closed English league system, with little chance of European football, will not be better placed than the current system. I'd argue the same would eventually apply to the super league too.

I don't see how undermining ones own chances of success would be something in the interests of the other 14 clubs in the league. A lot of talk is about money, but this ignores that most clubs are not majorly profitable. The reason clubs are interested in having greater finances is simply so they can compete better. If that competition becomes undermined then you might as well operate on less money.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

The whole thing stinks but you can’t criticise Levy here.

You really can

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

FFS Dele