stov
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Sorry I don't understand your sentence?
European Super League Mega Thread
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Aleks
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I'm really confused at the whole "grassroots is under attack" angle some of the football pundits are harping on about? Grassroots will always exist, the premier league will still be there, there would be even more money to support teams that develop players.
the lower teams (lower leagues) were so far away from the big six before and it will be the same as this, except now there will be more money about.
I understand why Tottenham are part of this, they had to be. If the money is the way it has been communicated, this can stabilise the club. and provide the foundations for any success in the future.
Sadly, it seems like we had to sell whatever soul we had left.
the lower teams (lower leagues) were so far away from the big six before and it will be the same as this, except now there will be more money about.
I understand why Tottenham are part of this, they had to be. If the money is the way it has been communicated, this can stabilise the club. and provide the foundations for any success in the future.
Sadly, it seems like we had to sell whatever soul we had left.
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PLTuck
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Sorry mate. Just because it was asked several times yesterday evening before you asked and if I remember correctly the links were then shared.
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Well, at least we won’t have to play Dinamo Zagreb away again 
Meercat
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A friend sent me this a while back, I thought it was a pretty interesting read. Not saying I agree with it, but I think part of the conclusions explain the ESL pretty well, in a prescient way.
Why We Love Football
Why We Love Football
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fishhhandaricecake
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Jesus H Christ, despicable if this goes ahead.
Game is gone.
OpenHeartZoo
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I don't believe this is true at all mate. Empty stadiums is going to equal one boring fucking product. There is a reason Americans and Chinese watch our league (and La Liga and Serie A) instead of their own, and it goes beyond just a few star players. They buy into the history, the culture and the passion that takes generations to build. If we stop fans getting in those stadiums then that allusion is broken.
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Leicester won the Premier League more recently than three of the big six.
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This issue is really frustrating as it would be great to be discussing the new era at the club but everything is about the ESL. Don't get me wrong, it's unavoidable to have a thread on it - I just mean that in general it's a pity to be having all this now.
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I wonder if the eventualities they believe they can fight are the PL kicking us out of the league or the docking of points?
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I think that European football has largely already become a closed competition of a financial elite. And some will counter that by saying stuff like look at Leicester who can qualify for CL and won the PL, and use that as a symbol of open competition. But really, what I see is a corrupt sport that's financially closed off. And so cry out at ESL as much as you want, but a European Super group has already been firmly established, and you can't break into it. And that was on the watch of supposedly well meaning footballing authorities. The glory of the game was killed on their watch anyway. Now what's left is to play as well as you can for money.
The old saying goes if you can't beat them, join them. So who really can blame Tottenham for doing just that, joining them? Fuck off to UEFA who let the game become dismantled, and let the new dawn of money take away the sport of the people. Fuck off to moral high grounds, that was already water under the bridge anyway. I think much of the outrage about ESL are from people who just don't like change in their face. The kind of people who fought against the French revolution without being royals themselves.
I don't like this ESL format. But I do like a new way of organising football. I like legal online streaming services. I don't like that each individual match is monopolised and that you have to have three or four different subscriptions to be able to view most (not all) matches with your team. Fuck the TV channels. It's a shame that this breakaway group isn't really presenting an antidote. They are doing more of the same. Fencing off financially fruitful grounds and protecting themselves. And people may not like to hear it, but by not joining with them, Tottenham would stand to lose the most. The almost team. Almost CL participants – nay almost CL winners. Almost top 4 club but often not really. Almost worthy of a cup trophy but often not really. A club like Tottenham, who are very close but rarely pulls off any greatness, would lose the most if being left behind. When a wave flushes over you, you can dive in and swim out on the other side, or be swallowed whole. And what's coming isn't a wave but a freaking tsunami.
So fuck off - because the spirit of football was already told to fuck off. Welcome to modern football. You may not like it, but football is not coming back how you knew it. I warned everybody on here to soak up the CL semis and CL final in 2019 because that's how good it would get, and it wouldn't get any better. Two years later, if you didn't heed that – heed this. If the reasons for why you were a football fan were noble values of sportsmanship, that's already dead anyway. So soak up the last few matches of Harry Kane as he reminds us of a bygone era of sportsmanship. And either get behind the club, or find a new hobby. Myself, I'll probably end up doing both. I won't turn on the club. But I will probably not stay connected either.
The old saying goes if you can't beat them, join them. So who really can blame Tottenham for doing just that, joining them? Fuck off to UEFA who let the game become dismantled, and let the new dawn of money take away the sport of the people. Fuck off to moral high grounds, that was already water under the bridge anyway. I think much of the outrage about ESL are from people who just don't like change in their face. The kind of people who fought against the French revolution without being royals themselves.
I don't like this ESL format. But I do like a new way of organising football. I like legal online streaming services. I don't like that each individual match is monopolised and that you have to have three or four different subscriptions to be able to view most (not all) matches with your team. Fuck the TV channels. It's a shame that this breakaway group isn't really presenting an antidote. They are doing more of the same. Fencing off financially fruitful grounds and protecting themselves. And people may not like to hear it, but by not joining with them, Tottenham would stand to lose the most. The almost team. Almost CL participants – nay almost CL winners. Almost top 4 club but often not really. Almost worthy of a cup trophy but often not really. A club like Tottenham, who are very close but rarely pulls off any greatness, would lose the most if being left behind. When a wave flushes over you, you can dive in and swim out on the other side, or be swallowed whole. And what's coming isn't a wave but a freaking tsunami.
So fuck off - because the spirit of football was already told to fuck off. Welcome to modern football. You may not like it, but football is not coming back how you knew it. I warned everybody on here to soak up the CL semis and CL final in 2019 because that's how good it would get, and it wouldn't get any better. Two years later, if you didn't heed that – heed this. If the reasons for why you were a football fan were noble values of sportsmanship, that's already dead anyway. So soak up the last few matches of Harry Kane as he reminds us of a bygone era of sportsmanship. And either get behind the club, or find a new hobby. Myself, I'll probably end up doing both. I won't turn on the club. But I will probably not stay connected either.
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I feel like the super league could actually benefit the whole of football, I do not listen to criticism coming from the mouth of anyone associated with sky sports, BT or Uefa
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It would be pretty amusing if Boris Johnson's government was the knight in shining armour. Not sure how people would be able to stomach that.
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Ownership issues in Germany and for PSG considering they are owned by BEin sport I would think
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For the record, I'd rather this didn't happen. Most football matches aren't actually THAT good, and I believe it is the jeopardy and the context of those narratives that makes football as compelling as it is.
The SL projections on a spreadsheet haven't factored in people loosing interest in dead rubbers, with no historical context / rivalry, and few away fans.
The experience of the product will eventually be poorer, which I expect will ultimately hit revenues. So even the cold financial justification is flawed imo.
BUT
I am finding some of the stakeholders reactions rather hilarious, and Everton's in particular.
www.theguardian.com
They were one of the 9 clubs who were part of Project Big Picture literally 6 months ago, along with West Ham and Southampton.
Now they're casting themselves as the virtuous egalitarians fighting for the equalities of the everyman?!
BULL. SHIT.
They're mad they were left out of the party. Had they been invited, they'd have jumped at the chance.
The SL projections on a spreadsheet haven't factored in people loosing interest in dead rubbers, with no historical context / rivalry, and few away fans.
The experience of the product will eventually be poorer, which I expect will ultimately hit revenues. So even the cold financial justification is flawed imo.
BUT
I am finding some of the stakeholders reactions rather hilarious, and Everton's in particular.
‘Preposterous arrogance’: Everton condemn ‘big six’ for Super League split
Everton have issued a statement against those in the European Super League while the owner, Farhad Moshiri, has called for the Premier League to ‘discipline’ breakaway clubs
www.theguardian.com
They were one of the 9 clubs who were part of Project Big Picture literally 6 months ago, along with West Ham and Southampton.
Now they're casting themselves as the virtuous egalitarians fighting for the equalities of the everyman?!
BULL. SHIT.
They're mad they were left out of the party. Had they been invited, they'd have jumped at the chance.
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