Match Threads Everton vs Spurs - Match Thread - FA Cup Rd 5

[dickieven]

Surprised by the negativity on here. Yes we lost but performance wise I actually think it was our best in a long time.

We had a stupid 5 - 10 minutes in the first half conceding 3 goals. But our passing was crisp and attacking. We created a bucket load of chances. Had great threatening corners. And it was an exciting game.

If we play like that for the rest of the season we will win a lot more than we lose. A couple of mistakes by Hojbjerg, Lloris and Winks was our undoing.

I'd rather lose playing like that than watch some of the dross we have watched in the last few months.

 

[rez9000]

Surprised by the negativity on here. Yes we lost but performance wise I actually think it was our best in a long time.

We had a stupid 5 - 10 minutes in the first half conceding 3 goals. But our passing was crisp and attacking. We created a bucket load of chances. Had great threatening corners. And it was an exciting game.

If we play like that for the rest of the season we will win a lot more than we lose. A couple of mistakes by Hojbjerg, Lloris and Winks was our undoing.

I'd rather lose playing like that than watch some of the dross we have watched in the last few months.

Sorry, chap - but I rather think it'll be the precise opposite.

Hope I'm wrong, but I have no confidence in that hope.

 

[SpursSince1980]

If that’s true I haven’t seen them... and I apologise. That’s despicable and I honestly didn’t think it possible from a true fan, which I assumed we all were in here.

Everyone who is on this forum is a fan, and they come at it from different perspectives. The Jose thing goes back to day 1 of his hiring when a contingent of fans were dissatisfied. And soon that dissatisfaction evolved into flat our derision. Then derision became a bizarre infatuation with blaming him for absolutely everything that goes wrong. And in the past six weeks it has reached an apex, with some simply wanting us to lose to see him get the heave ho. And the crux of complaints typically involve us being too defensive and boring. Today, was an interesting example of being cavalier and it backfired in the most humiliating of ways. Yet, you still have some folks who feel a need to modify their argument to basically say we made all of those errors because our defenders don't know how to defend anymore when we attack.

That is oozing with an agenda and a fixed mindset, determined to believe that anything bad that happens to the team is the exclusive responsibility of Jose. And frankly, it's just getting annoying.

 

[Montalbano]

Although it was an extremely poor game of defensive and goalkeeping errors, I don't want to underestimate how poor the officiating was.

The winning goal in AET was extremely close to call. From this angle, I'm not convinced Bernard is onside when utilizing Premier League's level of scrutiny where players have been ruled offsides by the finest margin (i.e. Son v Liverpool). Why VAR didn't spend a bit of time drawing up the lines and reviewing it, I'm not sure.... maybe program scheduling & advertising??

Watching back the penalty – it's absolute rubbish. Even when watching frame by frame and at 0.25x speed there appears to be absolutely no contact from Hojbjerg with DCL just diving. The FA Cup official highlights video didn't even show it because I'm sure they know it was an awful call. How a top level referee makes that call and then lets it stand after consulting VAR is unbelievable.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Yeah, but what about -

You know what? It's just not worth bothering with.

I felt the same way when I read that.

I'll be honest with you mate, I feel sadly vindicated and I fucking hate that as a fan. 5-4 against Everton, what a way to start a Thursday.

 

[Gbspurs]

Although it was an extremely poor game of defensive and goalkeeping errors, I don't want to underestimate how poor the officiating was.

The winning goal in AET was extremely close to call. From this angle, I'm not convinced Bernard is onside when utilizing Premier League's level of scrutiny where players have been ruled offsides by the finest margin (i.e. Son v Liverpool). Why VAR didn't spend a bit of time drawing up the lines and reviewing it, I'm not sure.... maybe program scheduling & advertising??

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Watching back the penalty – it's absolute rubbish. Even when watching frame by frame and at 0.25x speed there appears to be absolutely no contact from Hojbjerg with DCL just diving. The FA Cup official highlights video didn't even show it because I'm sure they know it was an awful call. How a top level referee makes that call and then lets it stand after consulting VAR is unbelievable.

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We saw no evidence that VAR was in play last night at all. Nothing seemed to be reviewed we were just told that it was retrospectively.

Like you say not sure why Bernard didn't warrant a line drawing as it was very tight.

 

[Shadydan]

We saw no evidence that VAR was in play last night at all. Nothing seemed to be reviewed we were just told that it was retrospectively.

Like you say not sure why Bernard didn't warrant a line drawing as it was very tight.

Don't think we can complain about VAR re offsides that much when people are fed up of those silly like drawing and stupidly tight offside calls we keep seeing.

My gripe is the penalty we were on the end of and the one we didn't get, both decisions were questionable and should have been reviewed.

 

[Shadydan]

Yeah, but what about -

You know what? It's just not worth bothering with.

The post just perfectly sums up that no matter what it's always the managers fault despite people seeing with their very own eyes that he has tried everything they still won't admit it.

I personally think that people are having a hard time thinking that we are actually a bit shit and this is their way of dealing with it.

 

[sebo_sek]

Although it was an extremely poor game of defensive and goalkeeping errors, I don't want to underestimate how poor the officiating was.

The winning goal in AET was extremely close to call. From this angle, I'm not convinced Bernard is onside when utilizing Premier League's level of scrutiny where players have been ruled offsides by the finest margin (i.e. Son v Liverpool). Why VAR didn't spend a bit of time drawing up the lines and reviewing it, I'm not sure.... maybe program scheduling & advertising??

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Watching back the penalty – it's absolute rubbish. Even when watching frame by frame and at 0.25x speed there appears to be absolutely no contact from Hojbjerg with DCL just diving. The FA Cup official highlights video didn't even show it because I'm sure they know it was an awful call. How a top level referee makes that call and then lets it stand after consulting VAR is unbelievable.

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Time to move on. Ultimately we allowed them into those positions and didnt convert close to 10 other on target opportunities ourselves. That's why we lost.

 

[slartibartfast]

Well at least it wasnt boring.
My thoughts for what they're worth.
I die a little everytime I see Sanchez name on the team sheet. He is a liability and if he starts there is very little chance of a clean sheet meaning we have to score at least 2 goals to win.
I haven't been a fan of winks for a long time. Another liability. Very poor decision from Jose to put him on.
Poor substitutions all round from Jose imo and it cost us the game.
What this showed me is we can play good attacking football but we look a total mess at the back, clueless. Jose coaches the defence. Jose picks the defence and Jose keeps changing it every single match, also not the best idea.
Jose should know how much of a bad idea replacing Ndombele, Lamela and Bergwijn with Alli, Sissoko and Winks is. That is a massive step down and in a game where you are already leaking goals, probably not a good idea.
So while some say this was not on Jose I politely disagree. He's the coach so if we look a total cluster fk in defence, which we do even when we park the bus btw so this notion that it was playing attacking football that cost us the game is frankly laughable (we've been leaking goals), and make poor substitutions then he has ro accept some responsibility for that. The more I think about the 11 that finished that game the more I'm not surprised we lost.
Sanchez, Winks,Alli and Sissoko are done imo.

 

[Shadydan]

Well at least it wasnt boring.
My thoughts for what they're worth.
I die a little everytime I see Sanchez name on the team sheet. He is a liability and if he starts there is very little chance of a clean sheet meaning we have to score at least 2 goals to win.
I haven't been a fan of winks for a long time. Another liability. Very poor decision from Jose to put him on.
Poor substitutions all round from Jose imo and it cost us the game.
What this showed me is we can play good attacking football but we look a total mess at the back, clueless. Jose coaches the defence. Jose picks the defence and Jose keeps changing it every single match, also not the best idea.
Jose should know how much of a bad idea replacing Ndombele, Lamela and Bergwijn with Alli, Sissoko and Winks is. That is a massive step down and in a game where you are already leaking goals, probably not a good idea.
So while some say this was not on Jose I politely disagree. He's the coach so if we look a total cluster fk in defence, which we do even when we park the bus btw so this notion that it was playing attacking football that cost us the game is frankly laughable (we've been leaking goals), and make poor substitutions then he has ro accept some responsibility for that. The more I think about the 11 that finished that game the more I'm not surprised we lost.
Sanchez, Winks,Alli and Sissoko are done imo.

This has been pointed out so many times, what other options did he have?

 

[HedgieSpur]

You'd have a stronger point, buddy if it wasn't for the fact that there have been actual posts on SC by people saying they want Spurs to lose so that Mourinho would be sacked all the sooner.

It's pretty hard to define that as anything other than agenda, isn't it?

EDIT: Noticed that shadydan had already raised the above point, so please feel free to ignore my repetition of it.

OK Ill bite. Its true that there have been posts saying that they ant us to lose, those posts make up literally no more than 0.5% of all other (sane) opinion on here. So to hone in on those posts to provide succour to your weak argument doesn't actually fly.

The VAST majority of fans (99.5% imo) want us to win, come what may, irrespective of who is in charge. As such, Id suggest its more pertinent to discuss how we've gone from being table toppers to mid table and potential solutions, rather than focus on the banal comments of a tiny minority.

 

[Matthew]

Not like Doherty offered much more than Sissoko as right back

i mean he did, but ok. at least he got forward and put some balls into the box.

 

[HedgieSpur]

Everyone who is on this forum is a fan, and they come at it from different perspectives. The Jose thing goes back to day 1 of his hiring when a contingent of fans were dissatisfied. And soon that dissatisfaction evolved into flat our derision. Then derision became a bizarre infatuation with blaming him for absolutely everything that goes wrong. And in the past six weeks it has reached an apex, with some simply wanting us to lose to see him get the heave ho. And the crux of complaints typically involve us being too defensive and boring. Today, was an interesting example of being cavalier and it backfired in the most humiliating of ways. Yet, you still have some folks who feel a need to modify their argument to basically say we made all of those errors because our defenders don't know how to defend anymore when we attack.

That is oozing with an agenda and a fixed mindset, determined to believe that anything bad that happens to the team is the exclusive responsibility of Jose. And frankly, it's just getting annoying.

Im clearly a saddo, so I went back and looked the match threads and Jose threads over the last 2 months. I think you'll find that those stating that they hope we will lose is less than 0.5%. You're fixating on them because you believe it augments your argument, rather than they are particularly sizeable imo. You COULD just ignore them, but you're CHOOSING not to...thats on you.

 

[spursfan77]

I love the FA cup and I say every year how embarrassing it is that we haven’t won it for 30 years but if there is one season where it might not be so bad to go deep in the competition, it is this season. The Europa League still (hopefully) has a lot of games left for us, we have a final to look forward to in the league cup and after this weekend we have some winnable league games coming up.

The players are playing every 3/4 days and having a few less matches, when a month or so ago, we were talking about when to fulfil our fixtures without playing 3 times a week, might not be the worst thing to happen to us this season.

 

[Mattspurs1982]

I’ve been Jose’s biggest critic but in hindsight that was a much better offensive performance. He must be going crazy with these constant mistakes, which were even costing us under Poch

 

[HedgieSpur]

The post just perfectly sums up that no matter what it's always the managers fault despite people seeing with their very own eyes that he has tried everything they still won't admit it.

I personally think that people are having a hard time thinking that we are actually a bit shit and this is their way of dealing with it.

Ill put it simply. There is a difference between "fault" and responsibility/accountability. If Jose is neither of the latter then Im unclear what purpose he serves. If despite him being the best manager in history blah blah, we are "still shit cos the players are shit" then to pay him £15m is incredibly stupid.

You're effectively saying he has no influence on these set of players, so why bother keep him?

 

[HedgieSpur]

As an aside, I actually enjoyed the game yesterday....bitterly painful to lose of course, but to see us going out and trying to win was at least a blessing.

 

[Norgie]

It's ok the Europa has our name on it already

 

[Dennism]

Sissoko wasn't any worse than Doherty and there would have been no extra time or Winks If not for Hojberg and his costly mistakes.

Hojberg has been brilliant this season and should not be pilloried for one bad night. A big problem for Spurs is how frequently they give the ball away. Sissoko is not comfortable with the ball and I feel not at the level a Spurs player should be. I also have my doubts about Doherty. Winks is always giving the ball away and constantly fails to make tackles. Have a look at the game last night and look at exactly what Winks did. It was scandalous and I would be amazed if he is in the team again any time soon.