Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[-Afri-Coy-]

A Fifa badge doesn't make you knowledgeable or understand the game mate, it just means you passed the course. See Sol Campbell for details.

That's why I said AND successes as a coach or manager.

 

[carpediem991]

It's like Conte is an actual football manager and not just a fan with an opinion.

Until someone on this forum can show me their FIFA badges and successes as a coach or manager I'll choose to put my faith in Conte rather than their opinions.

Too many fans think managing a football team is as easy as it is on FIFA/FM. It is so much more nuanced than that.

You also put your faith in AVB, Nuno or TIm Sherwood back then because they had badges and were coaches? Or Mourinho?

Its far more complicated than that and while fans are often too much over the top and manipulated by the last recent events there are very valid points and arguments that are not matching Contes ideas and his tactics.

Obviously its not as easy as in FIFA as there is rarely an obvious solution around the corner.

While I am happy with the last few results, I can already see the moaning coming back if we go out against Milan. I am yet to be convinced we have the necessary consistency to be on a good track and still think, Contes game is too one dimensional for todays game in the Premier League.

 

[djhotspur]

Milan have really turned a cir

You also put your faith in AVB, Nuno or TIm Sherwood back then because they had badges and were coaches? Or Mourinho?

Its far more complicated than that and while fans are often too much over the top and manipulated by the last recent events there are very valid points and arguments that are not matching Contes ideas and his tactics.

Obviously its not as easy as in FIFA as there is rarely an obvious solution around the corner.

While I am happy with the last few results, I can already see the moaning coming back if we go out against Milan. I am yet to be convinced we have the necessary consistency to be on a good track and still think, Contes game is too one dimensional for todays game in the Premier League.

Milan have really turned a corner tbf. That new Cb has transformed them, thiaw I think he’s called? They haven’t conceded a goal since he joined.

 

[carpediem991]

Milan have really turned a corner tbf. That new Cb has transformed them, thiaw I think he’s called? They haven’t conceded a goal since he joined.

Well they have, and according to a lot on here we have too. I am surely not panicking over Malik fkn Thiaw (who joined in summer). We should have the ambition and expectation to beat Milan at home. Won't be easy but thats the level we need to aim. And to do that I expect our highly paid manager team to find solutions to break Milans defense.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

You also put your faith in AVB, Nuno or TIm Sherwood back then because they had badges and were coaches? Or Mourinho?

Its far more complicated than that and while fans are often too much over the top and manipulated by the last recent events there are very valid points and arguments that are not matching Contes ideas and his tactics.

Obviously its not as easy as in FIFA as there is rarely an obvious solution around the corner.

While I am happy with the last few results, I can already see the moaning coming back if we go out against Milan. I am yet to be convinced we have the necessary consistency to be on a good track and still think, Contes game is too one dimensional for todays game in the Premier League.

Ofcourse I would, regardless of their perceived failings as our manager they are still 1000 times more qualified to run a football team than anyone on this forum.

You missed the point of my post. It was a matter of professional skill (qualified, successful managers) vs fans on a forum (Purely opinionated) and I would pick the manager every single time.

When you have chest pains, you don't go on a medical forum for help. You go to the ER for help because that's where the true professionals are.

So just like you'd put your faith in actual Doctor's with PHD/s, you should put your faith in the Manager at the helm.

This is not to say they are incapable of mistakes. We are all human and we can all make mistakes. That's a given.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Well they have, and according to a lot on here we have too. I am surely not panicking over Malik fkn Thiaw (who joined in summer). We should have the ambition and expectation to beat Milan at home. Won't be easy but thats the level we need to aim. And to do that I expect our highly paid manager team is finding solutions to break Milans defense.

They've beaten Us, Monza and Torino by a single goal and Atlanta by 2.

We should definitely be able to turn the tie around at home.

 

[carpediem991]

Ofcourse I would, regardless of their perceived failings as our manager they are still 1000 times more qualified to run a football team than anyone on this forum.

You missed the point of my post. It was a matter of professional skill (qualified, successful managers) vs fans on a forum (Purely opinionated) and I would pick the manager every single time.

When you have chest pains, you don't go on a medical forum for help. You go to the ER for help because that's where the true professionals are.

Obviously you would pick an expert/manager if you want to talk about their expertise topic. And they would obviously point out points a normal fan can not know.
But then I don't get what do you want to say? We should not question the managers decisions as he obviously knows better anyway? (even if not succesful)

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Obviously you would pick an expert/manager if you want to talk about their expertise topic. And they would obviously point out points a normal fan can not know.
But then I don't get what do you want to say? We should not question the managers decisions as he obviously knows better anyway? (even if not succesful)

We should question things within reason and whilst taking the entire picture into account, and that hardly ever happens on this forum.

It's always an emotional response to negative results or a clear bias instead of a meaningful debate about what is going wrong with the club or team.

 

[jay2040]

It's literally true though. We still aren't a great team and nothing has changed tactically all season. I can only say we have been more competitive for second balls recently, which is important. You all cry now but when we next lose everyone will talk about how we are bad again. The fact is that the performance level has been fairly consistent for a while, results will always vary. I was very happy with the win yesterday but I won't let that cloud objective analysis.

If this is you happy then .......

 

[McFlash]

no, i'm saying that progress on the pitch should be/should have been taking place when the manager was on the sidelines. The talk of it only becoming better because he can now see the team from home is a major red flag.

We have been making progress on the pitch and while it may be slower progress than you demand, the manager can only work with the tools he has.
I think you're letting your view of Conte cloud your judgement a little.

 

[McFlash]

You also put your faith in AVB, Nuno or TIm Sherwood back then because they had badges and were coaches? Or Mourinho?

Its far more complicated than that and while fans are often too much over the top and manipulated by the last recent events there are very valid points and arguments that are not matching Contes ideas and his tactics.

Obviously its not as easy as in FIFA as there is rarely an obvious solution around the corner.

While I am happy with the last few results, I can already see the moaning coming back if we go out against Milan. I am yet to be convinced we have the necessary consistency to be on a good track and still think, Contes game is too one dimensional for todays game in the Premier League.

I put my (blind) faith into every manager we have, until they give me reason not to.

It comes down to opinion but so far, I've seen more positives than negatives under Conte so that, along with his previous record, means that he still has my faith.
Plus I'd rather stick with him than go through yet another change of tack and rebuild.
We should try and stick with this one til it's conclusion, whatever that may be.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

We have been making progress on the pitch and while it may be slower progress than you demand, the manager can only work with the tools he has.
I think you're letting your view of Conte cloud your judgement a little.

against Chelsea and City yes, let's see how we continue because leicester and Milan were not acceptable. Not letting my view of conte cloud anything but I want a little more than two games to judge our progress when we have had games in between that were disgraceful.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I'd completely resigned myself to the fact he was leaving. The idea of him staying almost feels strange now.

I think if he does stay it really does need to be a 3 year deal, though. We need to end the constant speculation about his future as it's been a huge distraction.

I know what you mean but at this stage I don’t think anyone, probably including Conte, knows what he’s going to do. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s feeling pretty conflicted on this one and I certainly feel how the second half the season shapes up will have a large bearing on his decision to stay or leave.

 

[McFlash]

against Chelsea and City yes, let's see how we continue because leicester and Milan were not acceptable. Not letting my view of conte cloud anything but I want a little more than two games to judge our progress when we have had games in between that were disgraceful.

Personally, I didn't think the Milan game was too bad but that comes down to expectations.
The Leicester game was an anomaly for me, a real weird one but on the whole, I think we're progressing in the right direction and for more than just two games.

 

[easley91]

against Chelsea and City yes, let's see how we continue because leicester and Milan were not acceptable. Not letting my view of conte cloud anything but I want a little more than two games to judge our progress when we have had games in between that were disgraceful.

West Ham? Palace? Fulham?

Milan wasn't THAT bad and far from a disgrace. Leicester is the anomaly in the recent run of games. We started a new RWB alongside Tanganga while Romero was suspended.

Sounds to me like you are having your judgement clouded.

 

[Timberwolf]

I know what you mean but at this stage I don’t think anyone, probably including Conte, knows what he’s going to do. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s feeling pretty conflicted on this one and I certainly feel how the second half the season shapes up will have a large bearing on his decision to stay or leave.

That concerns me.

I appreciate there are still 2 cups and CL qualification up for grabs but if he wasn't sure about the job enough to commit in Jan, it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence about his commitment going forward even if he does re-sign.

I'm sure Conte is fully committed in his day-to-day work. He's deeply passionate about winning and doesn't strike me as someone capable of half-arsing it. But if deep down he'd prefer to go back to Italy and the reason he ends up re-signing at Spurs is because there are no better offers or he can't resist a longer 15m/year contract, that's not a great foundation to build on IMO. We need a manager who really wants to be at the club and having Conte commit to a hugely expensive 3 year deal if his heart's not fully in it doesn't seem like a great idea to me as surely on some subconscious level that will impact the players.

I mean, the man's been through a lot and none of us know what's going through his head at the moment. But running down a contract and then signing a new one at the last minute hardly screams commitment to the club. More of a limp 'well...I guess I'll stay then...'.

 

[Yantino]

Still pretty simple way to look at it, for me. The drop off in quality when we lose key players like Romero sticks out like a sore thumb, especially in our defence. This hasn't changed.

I was pretty concerned about losing Bentancur and Bissouma but it seems that our options in that position are doing ok.

Our form and performances have improved since the squad had that meeting. Cleared the air, i guess.

 

[djhotspur]

Still pretty simple way to look at it, for me. The drop off in quality when we lose key players like Romero sticks out like a sore thumb, especially in our defence. This hasn't changed.

I was pretty concerned about losing Bentancur and Bissouma but it seems that our options in that position are doing ok.

Our form and performances have improved since the squad had that meeting. Cleared the air, i guess.

Agreed. Romero loss to that defence is huge, which is always going to be the case when you lose a truly world class defender, but the drop off shouldn't be as drastic as it is.

We desperately need 2 quality CBs, a Guehi type who can start at CCB and cover RCB, and a LCB as close to romero quality as possible, so that if we miss one it doesn't matter as much.

 

[RuskyM]

Ofcourse I would, regardless of their perceived failings as our manager they are still 1000 times more qualified to run a football team than anyone on this forum.

You missed the point of my post. It was a matter of professional skill (qualified, successful managers) vs fans on a forum (Purely opinionated) and I would pick the manager every single time.

Right, but this is ignoring the multiple factors that can differ between fan and manager. A manager's primary interest is their own success: a fans is of their team's success. We've seen many great managers be affected by ego or personal issues with players/board members - look at Mourinho's last decade. Him publicly humiliating that physio wasn't a tactical masterstroke, was it? I don't think anyone's doubting that the average PL manager knows his onions; but that doesn't give them a free pass. Questioning authority is always good.

To be blunt, I can think of many managers who have failed due to ego; I can't think of many that have failed due to a crowd questioning them. Any manager's job is to convince the fans the future is promising and the present is improving; not the other way round.

 

[mil1lion]

He's probably got one eye on the match threads on here, and finally had his eyes opened by the stunning insights and tactical wizardry that's regularly on show.

I'm sure he saw all the comments about Emerson and thought "I'll drop him as requested.....into a more inside role"