Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Misfit]

Manager calls out players for their weak mentality
Weak minded players take offense and want the manager out

I bet the next boss will also be a jerk and come to the same totally unfair conclusions as the last handful...

 

[RuskyM]

Depends if your capable of actual introspection and context.

I'd say the very definition of spineless is going "yes sir" when your boss is being a prick.

If I had performed like they had I would think - he has a point

If I was Kane I would think what a priiick, I will show him and up my game even more

Sounds like a healthy work environment!

 

[Clockspur]

Besides which plebs like me could only dream of being a multimillionaire spineless loser playing for Tottenham.

Players like Davies/Dier/Royal - incredibly fortunate to be playing at a club of our profile - none of them get any game time at Chelsea/Arsenal/United/Liverpool or City.

 

[DenverSpur]

If he goes to clubs that buy him success then he will win silverware

If you think that makes him elite then fair enough

I very strongly disagree

Isn’t that also true of Pep, Ancelotti, Mourinho and all the other ’elite’ managers.

 

[parj]

We need to stop giving into the whims of the players. Look at what has happened under Ten Haag. Levy and the players constantly undermine managers.

Ten Haag is different. Ronaldo disrespected the squad, got dealt with. Rashford was late, got dealt with. ETH breathes positivity and is a fcuking Care Bear compared to Conte.

ETH expects players to respect each other and the club, Conte expects everyone to respect him.

 

[Clockspur]

I think saying that Peps achievements ‘pale in comparison to Klopp’ is a bit OTT as is saying that if people don’t see it that way they know nothing about football…

I personally agree with you that what Klopp achieved with Dortmund and Liverpool is more impressive that what Pep has achieved with Barca, Bayern and City but the way pep got those teams to play and be so utterly dominant is still very very impressive, they don’t just win they absolutely suffocate and dominate teams and obliterate leagues and records and points totals, that isn’t easy.

Just like we shouldn’t belittle Conte taking Chelsea from 10th to 1st or Juve from 7th to 1st or Inter from 3/4th to 2nd to 1st.

But I think the word you’re looking for is context. And yes you’re right every achievement should be looked at with context. For example the context of how competitive was the domestic league at the time, how good was the squad the manager inherited, how did they do across all competitions, did they improve players, how big was their transfer budget, how long did it take them to achieve success, did the sustain success, did they leave the club in a stable state etc etc etc.

I just think what Klopp has done at Liverpool is insane - 3 Champions league finals in 4 years, the title, all domestic cups. They were 2 wins away from a historic Quadruple.

Wenger achieving invincible status with Arsenal

Fergie winning the treble

Pep doesn’t make the top 3 managers in the Prem era despite outspending all of the above

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

But it’s nothing to do with the fact the last 3 managers have all sucked the life out of the enjoyment of them playing for the last 3 years ?

Or how they sucked the life out of the managers….

 

[Clockspur]

Exactly. With some I think it’s talent or lack of rather than not trying and if they haven’t been trying for 6 months why is he picking them?

Because the defensive back up is Davison Sanchez

We literally have zero CM back up now

our back up attackers don’t score

we are already playing our back up keeper

The only position where he has legitimate decisions to make are RWB and LWB

 

[talkshowhost86]

Isn’t that also true of Pep, Ancelotti, Mourinho and all the other ’elite’ managers.

To an extent yes

Most of them have some pedigree before all the buying but I'm definitely in the camp that managers are hugely overrated in the days of billionaire owners

That said, most of the above have a track record of improving existing players rather than only buying new ones

Conte only really achieved that at Juve and they were financially miles ahead of the rest in Italy anyway

 

[parj]

While the trophy haul is obviously disappointing, I find it very strange that any Spurs fan would think the Jol, Redknapp and Poch eras were not positive times for us.

Those are the same fans that probably backed George Graham and Juande Ramos.

 

[Clockspur]

On Alasdair Gold’s video he says that Conte didn’t speak to his players at all after the game because he was so angry (he’s done that before). So the first they’d have heard of all this would have been from the press conference! He didn’t even have the balls to say it to their faces ffs!

Poch did the same against Newcastle away in 2016

Jose did the same away at Antwerp

That’s my only issue with what Conte has done - if he had researched his predecessors he would have seen that this approach has been tried and has failed previously

 

[parj]

So if he gets the players he wants he will be successful? 19/20 he spent 191M Euros at Inter. The following year it was 126M and they won the league. Two summer and two January windows.

The eight seasons prior to Conte arriving they finished; 4, 4, 7, 4, 8, 5, 9, 6. So they were not a team who were challenging for the tile in the years leading up to Conte. He got them to 2nd and then the title spending 317M in 4 transfer windows. I don't think that us spending around £150M per season is unreasonable now. So while he may need (300) hundreds of millions I don't see it being out of our budget.

What we really need to do - whoever the manager is - is buy the players he actually wants. Conte didn't ask for Spence or Lenglet or Danjuma.

Aren't Inter now struggling financially?

 

[FinnYid]

No it can’t - they were steady under Carlo ask any Evertonian.

Steady, yet clearly worse than before Carlo. As noted, it was 7th, 8th and 8th before Carlo took them as 12th and 10th. Moreover in 13 seasons before Carlo they were in positions 5th to 8th 11 times. There is no way one can call Ancelotti at Everton (or Napoli) a success.

 

[Clockspur]

Pep never finished 5th. Conte did. Conte won the title playing one game a week and then finished 5th the next season with more games to play. Blamed everyone but himself

Pep came 3rd in his first season at City, got knocked out of the CL in the round of 16, League cup in the 4th round and FA cup in the semis

 

[Clockspur]

I'd say the very definition of spineless is going "yes sir" when your boss is being a prick.


Sounds like a healthy work environment!

If you first can’t be honest with yourself then you will never improve. Winners know their weaknesses better than anyone and work on them - Harry Kane has performed season in season out regardless of manager because he is a winner, he doesn’t need anyone pointing out his failings - he knows them and tries to improve - although even he has a mental block when it comes to free kicks unfortunately.

What’s has Davinson Sanchez or Harry Winks done in comparison.

What did Dele Alli do? Fack all, that’s why he now sits on the bench in Turkey

 

[Clockspur]

Isn’t that also true of Pep, Ancelotti, Mourinho and all the other ’elite’ managers.

Correct

 

[Clockspur]

Ten Haag is different. Ronaldo disrespected the squad, got dealt with. Rashford was late, got dealt with. ETH breathes positivity and is a fcuking Care Bear compared to Conte.

ETH expects players to respect each other and the club, Conte expects everyone to respect him.

ETH would crawl on broken glass for Conte’s managerial achievements. De Boer won the Eredivisie with Ajax - again half the posters on here could. Doing a good job at United, but if they only end up with a league cup after spending £80m on Antony, £60m on Martinez, £35m on Casemiro and another £30m on top - is that a good return? £200m + for one league cup.

None of these guys work without top top spending. Don’t listen to Gooners, Arteta has spent over half a billion in 2 years - HALF a BILLION

 

[Clockspur]

To an extent yes

Most of them have some pedigree before all the buying but I'm definitely in the camp that managers are hugely overrated in the days of billionaire owners

That said, most of the above have a track record of improving existing players rather than only buying new ones

Conte only really achieved that at Juve and they were financially miles ahead of the rest in Italy anyway

Victor Moses says hi

 

[Clockspur]

Aren't Inter now struggling financially?

Yes - zero to do with Conte, all to do with their Chinese ownership and the fact that Italian football has been broke since the late 90’s

 

[piedpiper]

Or you do what the other top teams do and let those players develop away from the club on loan then bring them back.

Arsenal loaned out Saliba for 3 seasons and then brought him back when he was ready.

I keep seeing this.... it was 2 seasons. I remember we tried to put in a late bid for him at the time.