Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[FinnYid]

Manager calls out players for their weak mentality
Weak minded players take offense and want the manager out

Not a weakness to take a stance against incompetent and shitty boss with outdated methods, weakness would be just taking the paycheck and be indifferent about it.

 

[Clockspur]

I keep seeing this.... it was 2 seasons. I remember we tried to put in a late bid for him at the time.

Okay, 2 seasons, the point stands though

 

[DenverSpur]

Bloody hell, that's not good.

Richy outburst after being dropped, also Royal enters into his best form and is jettisomed for Porro which although hasn't backfired entirely surely blows apart any semblance of a meritocracy.

Not sure about that concerning Royal. Porro got a start I believe because Emerson was injured. I don’t think he was jettisoned and feel that they will both rotate going forward depending on the opposition. Isn’t competition for place what we want. To many of our players are complacent because there is no real competition for their place.

 

[piedpiper]

I keep seeing this.... it was 2 seasons. I remember we tried to put in a late bid for him at the time.

Ignore me I'm talking tosh...Googled it's 3 seasons out on loan... amazing then it was 4yrs ago we were rumored to have tried to get him. Time truly flies

 

[Spawn]

Would we back the (new) manager if he decided to sell our best players because he viewed them as bad eggs and bought in names we did’t know. Would we give them time or start demanding change after half a season? Just interested what people would feel?

 

[piedpiper]

Okay, 2 seasons, the point stands though

Apologies its 3 you right.....

 

[DenverSpur]

I bet you though that when we do concede it will be from a set piece where one of our defenders hasn’t picked up his man.

That’s not on Conte - he doesn’t tell players “leave Tarkowski free at the back post from corners” but that’s the exact sort of goal we are going to concede up there, you can bank on it.

Which would prove Conte’s point, you just can’t rely on some these players

Like at Southampton. 6 or more players in the box but none of them thought to mark Walcott standing 6 yards from the Centre of the goal.

 

[robotsonic]

Or you do what the other top teams do and let those players develop away from the club on loan then bring them back.

Arsenal loaned out Saliba for 3 seasons and then brought him back when he was ready.

Not all top teams do that, though. Plenty of top teams blood talent in the first team. Barca, Real, City. Pedri, Vini Jr, Foden etc. These teams have all got youth players in their elevens and the squad. There is plenty of space to polish your own gems, and we used to pretty good at it to be honest. I'd like to get back to those days, frankly.

 

[chrisd2k]

Yep, mentality of the club and us fans.

Fans again. Gotcha

 

[FinnYid]

Players like Davies/Dier/Royal - incredibly fortunate to be playing at a club of our profile - none of them get any game time at Chelsea/Arsenal/United/Liverpool or City.

Fun fact: Ben Davies has as many cup trophies as player as Conte has as manager (not counting Charity Shield comparable Supercoppa).

Oh and neither wil! Conte get a game as manager of Chelsea/Arsenal/United/Liverpool or City anytime in the future. Or more like ever again.

 

[ravo]

Would we back the (new) manager if he decided to sell our best players because he viewed them as bad eggs and bought in names we did’t know. Would we give them time or start demanding change after half a season? Just interested what people would feel?

Time would tell, I suppose. The fans would have to be patient (unlikely), but it is exactly what happened at Celtic with Ange. Obvs we are a significantly different proposition to the SPL...

 

[Trix]

Well, while City hasn't won on Europe, Pep isn't eurojoke like Conte

I think you'll find Conte isn't a joke across Europe, he'll get another top job easily. Tottenham Hotspur on the other hand.....

Not all top teams do that, though. Plenty of top teams blood talent in the first team. Barca, Real, City. Pedri, Vini Jr, Foden etc. These teams have all got youth players in their elevens and the squad. There is plenty of space to polish your own gems, and we used to pretty good at it to be honest. I'd like to get back to those days, frankly.

Of course but our older youth teams have been pretty poor for a few years now. It's certainly improving now, but there hasn't been a conveyor belt of talent coming through.

 

[Stamford]

Well, while City hasn't won on Europe, Pep isn't eurojoke like Conte

conte is well respected across Europe. Tottenham are a known laughing stock.

 

[chrisd2k]

What part of "Painful rebuild" do you lot not understand?

Shudder

 

[FinnYid]

I think you'll find Conte isn't a joke across Europe,

His record ot Champions League is

 

[DenverSpur]

He’s managed in incredibly favourable circumstances his entire career. Even at Inter, his spending ran the club into near oblivion.

I’m sure if Conte was given a blank cheque at this club, he’d have been way more successful but he was backed and backed considerably more than any of his predecessors and he has failed spectacularly.

Yes, the club failed him but then it was always going to be difficult to please him with the level of spending he requires to bring success. All his time at Spurs has done is proven he is nowhere close to the same level as the the truly elite managers.

All that’s true but it would have been interesting to see if instead of buying Spence, Bissouma and Richarlison we had used that money to buy 2 quality CBS and Porro last summer. Still would have spent the same money but he would have had the players he wanted in the positions he felt neede strengthening. Then we could have truly been able to judge him.

 

[Guntz]

I think you'll find Conte isn't a joke across Europe, he'll get another top job easily. Tottenham Hotspur on the other hand.....

Of course but our older youth teams have been pretty poor for a few years now. It's certainly improving now, but there hasn't been a conveyor belt of talent coming through.

In Italy 100% - but elsewhere I'm not so sure.

PSG - desperately wants to win the champions league, look at Conte's record in Europe.
Madrid - possibly, but he's not even on their rumoured shortlist this summer when he'd be available for free.
Barcelona - no chance, just look at the style of play.
Bayern - can't see it personally.
Dortmund - no chance.
Atletico - probably has the highest chance but still unlikely IMO.

No chance he'd get a job at Liverpool, Utd, City, Chelsea, or Arsenal.

I suppose Newcastle is the one that is the most likely. But even then, they're flying with Howe atm.

 

[robotsonic]

Of course but our older youth teams have been pretty poor for a few years now. It's certainly improving now, but there hasn't been a conveyor belt of talent coming through.

I more mean buy in young if we're not making them ourselves, a la Modric, Bale, Eriksen etc...but play them.

Nothing more exciting imo than playing our young players and watching them excel and push out the old guard. Buying all prepackaged players isn't the way that almost anybody does it, and I certainly don't see that model working here. Part of why the Conte move was such a fuckup.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I more mean buy in young if we're not making them ourselves, a la Modric, Bale, Eriksen etc...but play them.

Nothing more exciting imo than playing our young players and watching them excel and push out the old guard. Buying all prepackaged players isn't the way that almost anybody does it, and I certainly don't see that model working here. Part of why the Conte move was such a fuckup.

Fortunately, the fans here are patient, so, I can see them waiting 4 seasons with no European football, while we trust the process.

 

[spurs9]

Yep great post.

Ferguson Man.U class of 92, Arteta’s Arsenal now etc both show that it’s about quality and attitude and physical and technical ability not ‘experience’, if conte got his wish over another few seasons we’d end up signing 40yr old + Buffon, Chiellini as well as Ashley Young, Victor Moses etc for ‘experience’.

How is old man Perisic working out Antonio?…

When Ferguson introduced the class of 92 to the squad they already had very experienced players in the 1st 11 e.g. Schmeichel, Irwin Bruce, Pallister, Cantona it was also Keane's 3rd season and Giggs was already established.