Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[rossdapep]

Mate if Conte is a better coach than Arteta why the fuck is he 10 points clear of us at the top, while we go down 0-1 in basically every first half we’ve played the entire season? If he’s such a great manager why isn’t he managing better FFS?

What possible excuses do we have for the guy at this point? Yeah our players aren’t great, but theirs aren’t either, and they haven’t got anyone who’s even close to a Kane level player in their squad

Engage with your brain and you may find the answer

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

The QUALITY of the recruitment before Paratici was frankly shocking in hindsight, and that’s the main issue we have.

Ndombele and Lo Celso alone, who both had “promise” account for around €120 million of that amount. Almost a third.

You can spend as much as you want but if you’re not spending on the right players it literally takes the club backwards. And it has.

It's been said many a time and it has to be said again, poch, hitchen and whoever our scouts were from that time period (2016-paratici) should never work in football again.

Never at any club has there been a 0% success rate of signings for such a long time period. Our last success (pre paratici) were son and alderweireld and that was ages ago.

Hindsight shows what a good management job poch and José did with such absolute awful signings. (Even if they might have been part of the problem with the signings)

Levy won the lottery with paratici, god knows where we would be without him. The football on show with conte has been worse getting worser, but at least I like the players now. Sign some fucking quality centre backs and a rwb, add udogie to the mix and let's see what happens.

If it gets to next season and we have the upgrades and we are still being served this dogshit football, then get rid of conte. It won't matter too much, because at least our squad will be good and we won't need a miracle worker.

Not sure what all the drama is about a new conte contract, it means fuck all anyway. If he is happy and spurs are happy then he stays another year.

What is vital is we keep paratici on as at least he can spot a footballer and give him the money to keep making the signings he has been.

 

[Ray Ray]

I havent caught up in this thread and that's my fault, but just from the recent comments from Kulu, the fact we still have a squad carried over from precious managers (lloris, Dier, Davies, sessengnon, doc, royal, PEH, Son, Kane) and that's only the regular starters.

We need to give him more time, and FP.

The fact we have conceded the first goal in the last 9 games ( or whatever the stat is) the guy has earnt his chance to show us what he can do with his squad.

Top 4 last season when it looked dead.
Being around the top of the table but "we are playing shit"
Qualifying out of the CL group looking like it was all lost.

What Conte has brought in, no matter what is going wrong, is a never say die attitude that we have rarely seen before with spurs.

Yes we play shit football, then we look like fucking prime era Brazil for 30 minutes and we dig deep and get something out of it.

Yes it's shitty football at times,. are we all forgetting when we played shit foot all and lost? Yes we have played the spurs way in the past, but for every ginola there's a ruel fox, for every kane there's a Chris Armstrong.

Let's just get behind this team and believe. If we win when we are shit, how good will be when we actually work it out?

 

[C1w8]

Pretty funny how people have just labelled arteta as a bad coach in his first job and that's it done, contes better, nothing can change.

Is anyone watching arsenal right now? Even if they don't win the league its an incredible turnaround.

Glad we got 4th last year but lets be honest they're building and we've gone backwards.

 

[rabbikeane]

Arteta finshed 8th two times in comparable time as Conte has been with us, then he got 5th.
So if we continue to give Conte 100m net every summer and 50m every winter then we can expect Conte to be on same footing after NEXT season.

Arteta didnt just show up and immediately start to challenge, he was a clown for years

 

[cliff jones]

If Conte leaves, Kane will leave on a Bosman, and even if Son stays he'll be ineffective without Kane's supply.

At a time when we need reinforcements at the back, the last thing we need is to have to build a world class front line as well.

Satisfying Conte, and making him sign for another couple of years will be absolutely pivotal.

 

[yiddo]

That is why there is such frustration at the reports that there isnt a vast amount of funds available. If we take 2-3 years to fix the defence then by that time we'll probably need a new attack.

I know next month we'll hear that Rome wasn't built in a day and January is a difficult month to do business etc.. but we need to make progress on improving the defence next month. Even if it is only a loan with an option.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Arteta finshed 8th two times in comparable time as Conte has been with us, then he got 5th.
So if we continue to give Conte 100m net every summer and 50m every winter then we can expect Conte to be on same footing after NEXT season.

Arteta didnt just show up and immediately start to challenge, he was a clown for years

And it is really on hindsight for the way he handled the departures of those star earners - that could really have gone either ways. Imagined that didn't work out and he still signed players like Jesus on his last year at Citeh for such high fee and presumably high wages, everybody will change their tune of him now I'm absolutely sure.

 

[Metalhead]

Pretty funny how people have just labelled arteta as a bad coach in his first job and that's it done, contes better, nothing can change.

Is anyone watching arsenal right now? Even if they don't win the league its an incredible turnaround.

Glad we got 4th last year but lets be honest they're building and we've gone backwards.

It's not that - it's just that someone was suggesting that Arteta is a better coach than Conte. That in itself is a kneejerk reaction - the moment Arteta hits a sticky patch, the moaners on arsenalmania and AFTV will no doubt be out. Conte has demonstrated his ability as a coach via trophies.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

Yeah I think he is responsible for that, the same way Mourinho was responsible for our defenders constantly giving away penalties/late goals when he asked them to sit in their box and defend for 80 minutes.

If it's a one off you can blame it on the player, when it happens constantly it's a tactical issue.

And clearly Jan and Toby were a different level pairing to our current one but the other main difference is Poch's side actually dominated the ball and spent most of the game attacking. If you've got the ball in the opposition half you're not going to get Dier booting it out for a corner or messing up a header back to Lloris anywhere near as much.

And lastly, Conte is completely inflexible because he's so wedded to his system that people don't even bother to mention that he could change at this time. If Dier were such a problem he could go to a back 4 and play Romero-Lenglet, or drop Dier and go Romero-Lenglet-Davies. He does have other options.

Honestly, this is so glaringly obvious, it frustrates the fuck out of me that people either can’t or don’t want to see it. For all the faults of the club and the obvious limitations of some of the players, there is still so much in Conte’s control that he’s not doing a great job of. According to way too many on here, he has zero responsibility and every justification for us looking as poor as we currently do. How can that be

Yes if we spend an unlimited amount of money to get him everything he wants, and no players ever make mistakes, then there’s a greater chance we’ll be a lot better under him. But if these are the only conditions he’s able to improve the team under, then is he really the manager we thought we were getting?

Rather than constantly moaning about what he doesn’t have, he really needs to start doing better with what he does have. All these excuses start to look pretty pathetic when Eddie Howe has Newcastle ahead of us with half the number of goals conceded while Arsenal are pretty much uncatchable from our perspective with just over a third of the season played. There are no excuses good enough for such a swing between ourselves and them in such a short period.

 

[cliff jones]

Honestly, this is so glaringly obvious, it frustrates the fuck out of me that people either can’t or don’t want to see it. For all the faults of the club and the obvious limitations of some of the players, there is still so much in Conte’s control that he’s not doing a great job of. According to way too many on here, he has zero responsibility and every justification for us looking as poor as we currently do. How can that be

Yes if we spend an unlimited amount of money to get him everything he wants, and no players ever make mistakes, then there’s a greater chance we’ll be a lot better under him. But if these are the only conditions he’s able to improve the team under, then is he really the manager we thought we were getting?

Rather than constantly moaning about what he doesn’t have, he really needs to start doing better with what he does have. All these excuses start to look pretty pathetic when Eddie Howe has Newcastle ahead of us with half the number of goals conceded while Arsenal are pretty much uncatchable from our perspective with just over a third of the season played. There are no excuses good enough for such a swing between ourselves and them in such a short period.

I'm guilty of being pro-Conte and therefore this is aimed at posters like me. Half my reason for wanting to stick with him is continuity, and lack of faith in those in charge of identifying a successor or maintaining investment in the squad. I'll suffer the less than scintillating football as a price worth paying for this. Mind you, I'm not currently paying the fortunes Levy demands to get into the stadium as I live overseas. I respect all game goers if you have the opposite view.

I do think the absences of Romero and Kulu have cost us big time this season, at both ends of the pitch. It would have been less of a struggle if injuries had fallen elsewhere in the squad.

I fkin hope we get a couple in quickly, so they are good to go for the Goons and the double header v City from mid-month.

 

[crokey]

The Arteta is better than Conte brigade have their entire opinion based on current league position.

They don't have the balls to say Arteta is better than Pep and Klopp by the same token though.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Honestly, this is so glaringly obvious, it frustrates the fuck out of me that people either can’t or don’t want to see it. For all the faults of the club and the obvious limitations of some of the players, there is still so much in Conte’s control that he’s not doing a great job of. According to way too many on here, he has zero responsibility and every justification for us looking as poor as we currently do. How can that be

Yes if we spend an unlimited amount of money to get him everything he wants, and no players ever make mistakes, then there’s a greater chance we’ll be a lot better under him. But if these are the only conditions he’s able to improve the team under, then is he really the manager we thought we were getting?

Rather than constantly moaning about what he doesn’t have, he really needs to start doing better with what he does have. All these excuses start to look pretty pathetic when Eddie Howe has Newcastle ahead of us with half the number of goals conceded while Arsenal are pretty much uncatchable from our perspective with just over a third of the season played. There are no excuses good enough for such a swing between ourselves and them in such a short period.

Noone is beyond criticism. However, the bloke is still using a core of players that previous coaches were stuck with. Who also failed to get a tune.

The common denominators here, are obvious. Conte isn't without flaws, but he does have, for me, considerable leeway with the players he's using.

I actually think he's got us punching above.

 

[djhotspur]

Pretty funny how people have just labelled arteta as a bad coach in his first job and that's it done, contes better, nothing can change.

Is anyone watching arsenal right now? Even if they don't win the league its an incredible turnaround.

Glad we got 4th last year but lets be honest they're building and we've gone backwards.

It’s not as cut and dry as that. I think arteta is doing a great job but zero chance they would be able to play this high press game if they had champions league. They have been playing a completely different first 11 in Europa and have managed to this point to field the same 11 pretty much all season so far.
We at one point had Kane as our only fit forward able to start, with our best cb out too.
How would arsenal look with Saka, martinelli, nketiah, saliba and veira out injured? Because that’s what we had.
it’s easy to say we’ve regressed but are we not in the same position we finished in? So it’s not a regression at all, and a lot of the stats show that but I get what we see on the pitch is worrying.
Let’s judge us against villa with a weeks rest, a fully fit first 11 for the first time in god knows how long and and Romero in full flow fit and firing.

 

[dontcallme]

Pretty funny how people have just labelled arteta as a bad coach in his first job and that's it done, contes better, nothing can change.

Is anyone watching arsenal right now? Even if they don't win the league its an incredible turnaround.

Glad we got 4th last year but lets be honest they're building and we've gone backwards.

Arsenal had a lot of rot at the club. Arsenal have lost around 13 first team squad players on free transfers in Arteta's time at the club, a few Arteta bought himself.

I'll admit I thought he was doing a poor job and despite some improvement, wasn't good enough to really turn them around. It looks like myself and others were wrong on this.

Conte is in his 2nd season with us. We have a lot of rot and it takes time to turn this around. He is getting better results than Arteta did in his first two seasons.

It's fine to compliment Arteta and think Conte could be doing certain things better or differently. But a straight out comparison between them at this stage is off the mark.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

It’s not as cut and dry as that. I think arteta is doing a great job but zero chance they would be able to play this high press game if they had champions league. They have been playing a completely different first 11 in Europa and have managed to this point to field the same 11 pretty much all season so far.
We at one point had Kane as our only fit forward able to start, with our best cb out too.
How would arsenal look with Saka, martinelli, nketiah, saliba and veira out injured? Because that’s what we had.
it’s easy to say we’ve regressed but are we not in the same position we finished in? So it’s not a regression at all, and a lot of the stats show that but I get what we see on the pitch is worrying.
Let’s judge us against villa with a weeks rest, a fully fit first 11 for the first time in god knows how long and and Romero in full flow fit and firing.

the only stat that shows we haven't regressed is that we sit in 4th which could easily argue is the most important though I doubt that its sustainable - apart from that our stats are those of a mid table team

 

[RuskyM]

It probably *is* worth considering how Arsenal bounced back so strongly from the disappointment of last season, whereas we keep stumbling every game and don’t seem to be learning anything. That momentum we should have had just completely disappeared, whilst Arteta (still playing strong teams in the Europa) went from strength to strength. And that is down to management.

 

[Japhet]

You can only really judge the Arteta v Conte thing on head to heads, and the fact is that in the most recent head to head we got pumped. Conte went 100% predictable and Arteta worked all week on tactics assuming he would. Arteta walked it. We'll see if Conte learned anything from that pretty soon.

 

[DiVaio]

It's been said many a time and it has to be said again, poch, hitchen and whoever our scouts were from that time period (2016-paratici) should never work in football again.

Never at any club has there been a 0% success rate of signings for such a long time period. Our last success (pre paratici) were son and alderweireld and that was ages ago.

Hindsight shows what a good management job poch and José did with such absolute awful signings. (Even if they might have been part of the problem with the signings)

Nearly 2023 and people here are still pretending that problem was scouting and not appointing Mourinho was not only bad manager but with completely different style than Poch lol

 

[allatsea]

Nearly 2023 and people here are still pretending that problem was scouting and not appointing Mourinho was not only bad manager but with completely different style than Poch lol

A different style was needed as not only had Poch lost interest doing his job but the young players he had had grown up. In maturing they needed different style of leadership, and guidance, which Poch couldn't or wouldn't provide. Mourinho was in hindsight a poor choice to replace Poch.