Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[arthurgrimsdell]

So basically any reason bar Conte. ??

I was merely replying to the specific examples given. Which of my comments do you disagree with?

 

[Joshua shepherd]

I understand but it's really hard to find too many players who have improved under him, like really I'm not sure I can find any?

I gave you a list the other day, there’s a whole thread dedicated to it.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

He just looks so lazy. He had plenty of time to impress and he went out there and ambled around. He worked with these kids over the World Cup break and Spence clearly did not impress

Saw him in the pre match warm up before the World Cup and I’ve never seen someone train with less intensity. Was just wondering around on his own taking the occasional rabona shot while the other subs were training together, put me off him tbh.

 

[bubble07]

It could be that Emerson is doing what Conte wants and isnt as bad as people make him out to be

If Emerson is doing what conte wants then I stand a chance of being picked by him

 

[Dakes]

Saw him in the pre match warm up before the World Cup and I’ve never seen someone train with less intensity. Was just wondering around on his own taking the occasional rabona shot while the other subs were training together, put me off him tbh.

Kinda ties in with what Warnock said, that he needs to knuckle down cause he can be great if he does, or end up in the lower leagues for lack of effort. The manager clearly hasn’t seen anything to warrant giving him more regular playing time.

it’s up to the kid to convince Conte, it’s simple and not about an agenda.

My feeling is that he never should have been bought. He wasn’t a manager pick.

I’m not quite sure how this will play out, but hopefully he puts in the work required.

 

[mil1lion]

If Emerson is doing what conte wants then I stand a chance of being picked by him

Idiotic comment

 

[longtimespur]

I was merely replying to the specific examples given. Which of my comments do you disagree with?

Didn't say I disagree with any. Just the fact they could all be construed as Conte bashing.

 

[arthurgrimsdell]

Didn't say I disagree with any. Just the fact they could all be construed as Conte bashing.

If you're that way inclined. What's the song?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Exactly. Very disappointing he doesn't seem to have trained on. Can't see him being with us next season.

He will be, just for the very fact he is home-grown.

 

[Harrier]

Kinda ties in with what Warnock said, that he needs to knuckle down cause he can be great if he does, or end up in the lower leagues for lack of effort. The manager clearly hasn’t seen anything to warrant giving him more regular playing time.

it’s up to the kid to convince Conte, it’s simple and not about an agenda.

My feeling is that he never should have been bought. He wasn’t a manager pick.

I’m not quite sure how this will play out, but hopefully he puts in the work required.

Yeah his attitude was questioned when we were originally linked wasn’t it?

Maybe he’s acting a bit ‘Billy Big Bollocks’ since he got his Prem move, and Conte doesn’t like what he sees! ??

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I'd say he notably improved Dier and Davies when he arrived and has also got the best out of PEH. Doherty has also played his best football for Spurs by a country mile under Conte. Bentancur and Kulu also both massively improved upon their Juventus form when they arrived and have both been excellent since arriving.

This season there are quite a few players underperforming, though. Son and Bissouma especially are both miles below their best and in recent weeks Dier and PEH have dropped off too. I'd say pretty much everyone else is about 'par' given their ability.

I think you miss the point Conte's system such as it is - is not about the individuals its about the collective - he doesn't coach players to improve their game he looks for players who fit into his system and work within that - he has got a rigid belief in his system to the detrement of everything else which for some of us who don't see the system working or think that football has moved on a bit have a problem with especially when you add the lack of entertainment which he has churned out this season

 

[Neon_Knight_]

One thing I have noticed in the last couple of games is an apparent complete volte face in Conte's attitude to young players being given game time. After the resumption when he had worked with most of them for a month or so, there was no change in who he was picking. Then suddenly, Sarr, Skipp, Gil, Spence, White and Devine are all given minutes. I accept that injuries and giving players a rest are a factor, but they don't explain the sudden inclusion of so many young players. I was shouting out for such players to be given even a couple of minutes at the end of games earlier in the season, then all of a sudden half a dozen arrive like London buses. It's almost as if someone has told Conte to get his act together and start developing the assets at his disposal.

When did Devine play?

Conte's squad rotation yesterday was consistent with his squad rotation for the League Cup defeat to Forest (where he made 7 changes to the starting line-up).

For the Palace game, Gil only started because Kulusevski, Richarlison and Moura were all injured (realistically, Gil wouldn't even have come on as a sub if all of them were available). Skipp only started because Betancur and Bissouma were both unavailable, and he was already getting some PL opportunities prior to his injury. Without injuries/suspensions, Sarr and White would have been 5th & 6th choice at CM, instead of 3rd & 4th choice, so would have been unlikely to make it off the bench.

Also, perhaps Conte felt it was important to integrate the youngsters with the players returning World Cup at training before throwing them on the field together. He commented himself about the positive of having time to work in a focused way with certain players during the World Cup. There's a difference between coaching individuals to play in they way you want them to and coaching a team to play together.

Reasons aside, it's great that some of our up and coming squad players have been able to take advantage of recent opportunities with positive performances.

 

[Timberwolf]

I think you miss the point Conte's system such as it is - is not about the individuals its about the collective - he doesn't coach players to improve their game he looks for players who fit into his system and work within that - he has got a rigid belief in his system to the detrement of everything else which for some of us who don't see the system working or think that football has moved on a bit have a problem with especially when you add the lack of entertainment which he has churned out this season

Yeah fair enough - I did consider that aspect too - but by that logic Conte can never improve or weaken a player ever and it's always a matter of how each player suits his system. And to be fair, that's certainly the case with Dier and Davies who are both much more suited to playing in a back 3 and their improvement was largely a result of that rather than specific coaching.

We're getting into semantics here, but surely if a coach is able to make a player more effective by changing their role and coaching them to be more effective within a specific system then they are still, in a sense, improving them, no?

For example, was Victor Moses not improved when he went from a jobbing mid-table winger to a championship winning wing back under Conte?

 

[Locotoro]

I understand but it's really hard to find too many players who have improved under him, like really I'm not sure I can find any?

If you're comparing form before playing for Conte and after I'd suggest Kulusevski and Bentancur as easy choices. Then Sessegnon Davies and Doherty after some time. Son had his most productive goalscoring season despite this seasons slump

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

If you're comparing form before playing for Conte and after I'd suggest Kulusevski and Bentancur as easy choices. Then Sessegnon Davies and Doherty after some time. Son had his most productive goalscoring season despite this seasons slump

We don’t even need to look further than Victor Moses to know how good of a coach he is.

 

[tony0379]

He's going to die here lads

 

[carmeldevil]

He's going to die here lads

Daniel - get started building the mausoleum at Tottenham Stadium

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Antonio when we win a trophy

 

[Dunc2610]

Does Sheth actually know anything, or Chris Colin for that matter?

 

[scissor_gang]

I think you're probably right. Spence needs game time and should go out on loan then. Preferably to a team that uses wingbacks.
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Definitely. A loan to a midtable or lower half prem team would be ideal...somewhere like Chelsea