Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Fidget]

This is one of the most boring Spurs teams I’ve ever seen and I’ve been watching since the 1970s. This has nothing to do with Levy and everything to do with Conte. You could fill the squad with whoever you like, but if this is Conte’s way I hate it. Dull, unimaginative and risk averse.

Who chose the manager and who continues to pay him?
Employing a top manager is far, far less expensive than buying top players and short term keeps the fans interested. Anyone realised that? You can bet Levy has……and all the promises he gives them.

 

[Hotspur33]

Thats a good point but so many contrasting styles. He doesnt know what he wants half the time.

But then styles of football change over time. Mourinho brought a solid defence first style of football with him, now it’s all about hi energy pressing.

 

[spursfan77]

Because we're playing at home, it's a one goal deficit and we've shown at home recently were capable of doing well.

If the atmosphere is good it helps. But this woe is me attitude isn't going to help the team at all.

What we say on SC has absolutely fuck all influence on the team. None at all.

 

[Hotspur33]

Exactly. Its a lazy narrative to say Conte has been backed because we've spent a certain amount.

I think if we were to look back, most of this forum were very satisfied with the window we had.
A manager can demand who he wants, doesn’t mean he is entitled to have them. Man City with all their spending power couldn’t get Kane as an example.
There is no way Spurs would have bought a player like perisic if it weren’t for Conte.
ill agree he was not backed enough to compete for a quadruple. But he was backed enough to push on from last season and show progression.
And whilst I’ll concede Conte has had a lot to deal with personally. We have never shown anything like good form this season when all his targets were bought early. (With exception to Spence, which was a ‘club’ signing anyway)

 

[Fidget]

Yep. Let’s say I am appointed as boss in the summer (obviously I will have to delete my account on here when that happens). I tell Levy to sell Son and Kane and use the proceeds to buy me Hincapie and Osimhen. Levy does the former but buys me Harry Maguire and Romelu Lukaku instead. Now. On the one hand I have been “backed”, but, on the other, Levy has taken me for a total **** hasn’t he?

And that is the loved Mr Levy. He’s clever. He’s cold and calculated. He’s a businessman. He plays many different hands, to many different people, simultaneously. He keeps the coffers ticking over and he builds the business so that it has it’s fingers in many different pies. It lessens the risk of a loss, just like a man who buys stocks and shares the way that stocks and shares should be bought. He’s a clever man but he doesn’t care for the football team. The football team is the platform with which to progress the business. That’s his job and he’s very astute and successful at it.

 

[YB123]

But then styles of football change over time. Mourinho brought a solid defence first style of football with him, now it’s all about hi energy pressing.

And our last 2 appointments have been nothing like that.

 

[Mackan110]

What's y'all though about why Conte fail here at Spurs ?
He have won something in every team he has been the manager and when he came to us it looks like shit. We played pretty good last season and this season we don't, how come ?

Conte wants a solid defense (like most Italian teams) and we don't have that. So he wanted at least 1 good CB and what did he get, langlet on loan...

Perisic was really good at the beginning when he came and now he is getting worse and worse, how come ? Can it be because he play next to Davies and Dier ?

My opinion why it looks like shit is because Levy didn't back Conte and bring in a good CB. So because our defense is kinda bad, our midfields don't trust the defense so they fall to deep and same with our forwards. It's all like a bad circle that won't we won't break until something changes.

 

[cozzo]

Exactly. Its a lazy narrative to say Conte has been backed because we've spent a certain amount.

If we are winning then he's been backed, when we are losing then he hasn't been backed

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

If we are winning then he's been backed, when we are losing then he hasn't been backed

No no, if we are winning it’s because he’s not in the dug out and Stellini + Mason are in charge.

Get with the program lad

 

[Fredo]

Exactly. Its a lazy narrative to say Conte has been backed because we've spent a certain amount.

Not many people can see this which is a shame. Takes blame off ENIC - people think Conte with his system is the cause, its a factor but not the main reason for failure.

Conte probably only likes 3/4 of the players in the squad when he's made out to rate most/everyone he plays or has bought in

 

[rossdapep]

But then styles of football change over time. Mourinho brought a solid defence first style of football with him, now it’s all about hi energy pressing.

Very true.

Wenger was all about quick interchanging football with athleticism in midfield.

Fergies United were about force, wing play and wave of attacks.

Jose came in and bucked that trend with compact defensive systems that relied on big moments and nulifying the oppositon.

Fergie adapted to a more pragmatic approach so that he could at least match Jose.

Wenger never adapted and really suffered from it.

10 years or so later, Pep enters the PL with his highly technical total control football and Klopp with his high energy and high octane football and Jose is now the one who can't adapt.

That's why I worry about going with Poch because he was different to most 8 or 9 years ago. Now, pretty much every team adopts this approach and aome are able to switch it tactically.

Either we bring in a coach who is on this level or we try to be clever and get ahead and find the coach who is going to be the different one.

 

[chrissivad]

Perisic was really good at the beginning when he came and now he is getting worse and worse, how come ? Can it be because he play next to Davies and Dier ?

Davies out performed him at LWB when he was asked to play there.
Dier didn't play in the last game and Perisic was still poor.

Conte has us playing dull football that fans will only accept when we are winning.

He is sticking to this formation and getting nothing out of it at the moment.

I know people are pissed off at Levy, but fuck me this site is getting tiresome. People twisting and pulling at anything they can aim at Levy. It's as dull as the football.

 

[spurs mental]

What we say on SC has absolutely fuck all influence on the team. None at all.

With respect, what is said on SC translates to the stadium though.

 

[mil1lion]

Who cares

Actually I do care because it would just be another reminder that we are not a club to win something with another top manager. That would be Jose and now Conte who couldn't win anything with us when they win pretty much everywhere else we go. It doesn't give me much hope going forward under this owner to be honest.

 

[Mackan110]

Davies out performed him at LWB when he was asked to play there.
Dier didn't play in the last game and Perisic was still poor.

Conte has us playing dull football that fans will only accept when we are winning.

He is sticking to this formation and getting nothing out of it at the moment.

I know people are pissed off at Levy, but fuck me this site is getting tiresome. People twisting and pulling at anything they can aim at Levy. It's as dull as the football.

So Davies had 1 good game ?
Also, how come perisic was good at the beginning and now he is bad. The more he played for us poorer ge got. Have you ever played football yourself and had a teammate you didn't trust ? My guess would be you focus more on your teammate and won't go full attack mode because you know your teammate is a huge risk.

Why should he change the way he play? How many years have Conte had the same philosophy and also won league titles?

Have you watched Conte when he was the manager at Juventus and Inter?

I'm biased because i really want Levy gone asap but I know it won't change.

Look at Manchester United. They bought a good CB and the one the manager wanted. Because they now have a much more solid defense the can focus more on the attacking philosophy. It's the same with arsenal, thet improved the defense and is looking much better.
In arsenals case it's the same manager, the same philosophy but they improved the defense

 

[rossdapep]

Davies out performed him at LWB when he was asked to play there.
Dier didn't play in the last game and Perisic was still poor.

Conte has us playing dull football that fans will only accept when we are winning.

He is sticking to this formation and getting nothing out of it at the moment.

I know people are pissed off at Levy, but fuck me this site is getting tiresome. People twisting and pulling at anything they can aim at Levy. It's as dull as the football.

Perisic is definitely an area in which Conte can be criticised. Clearly his option and clearly an area of the field we are not getting much out of.

We can point to his assists but some of them have been corners.

He hasn't scored or even looked like scoring and thats one thing I really thought he'd add. Son is suffering and we are vulnerable down the left defensively.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Perisic was really good at the beginning when he came and now he is getting worse and worse, how come ? Can it be because he play next to Davies and Dier ?

He wasn’t. He was productive and picked up assists but his performances aside from set pieces have always been poor. Now those assists have dried up, people have started to see how bad he actually is.

 

[chrissivad]

So Davies had 1 good game ?
Also, how come perisic was good at the beginning and now he is bad. The more he played for us poorer ge got. Have you ever played football yourself and had a teammate you didn't trust ? My guess would be you focus more on your teammate and won't go full attack mode because you know your teammate is a huge risk.

Why should he change the way he play? How many years have Conte had the same philosophy and also won league titles?

Have you watched Conte when he was the manager at Juventus and Inter?

I'm biased because i really want Levy gone asap but I know it won't change.

Look at Manchester United. They bought a good CB and the one the manager wanted. Because they now have a much more solid defense the can focus more on the attacking philosophy. It's the same with arsenal, thet improved the defense and is looking much better.
In arsenals case it's the same manager, the same philosophy but they improved the defense

Davies has had plenty of good, a d bad games.

Why should he change?
Well because we are playing poor and losing.

It's up to Conte to get the best out of the players, and even you are saying he isn't getting the best out of Perisic. Not sure how much you need to say on that. But I'm guessing it's all Dier, Davies and Levy's fault...

 

[rossdapep]

So Davies had 1 good game ?
Also, how come perisic was good at the beginning and now he is bad. The more he played for us poorer ge got. Have you ever played football yourself and had a teammate you didn't trust ? My guess would be you focus more on your teammate and won't go full attack mode because you know your teammate is a huge risk.

Why should he change the way he play? How many years have Conte had the same philosophy and also won league titles?

Have you watched Conte when he was the manager at Juventus and Inter?

I'm biased because i really want Levy gone asap but I know it won't change.

Look at Manchester United. They bought a good CB and the one the manager wanted. Because they now have a much more solid defense the can focus more on the attacking philosophy. It's the same with arsenal, thet improved the defense and is looking much better.
In arsenals case it's the same manager, the same philosophy but they improved the defense

Conte can be defended and criticsed at the same time.

Its true Ten Hag has had Casemiro and Eriksen added.

But he has also boosted the performances of Fred, Shaw, Dalot, Wan Bissaka, Rashford.

Whilst Conte has not got some crucial tools, he hasnt boosted some and some have actually got worse.

Perisic is his player. We can discuss why his form hasn't been great but the bottom line is that it isnt, and Conte is the coach.

 

[heinsmit]

Perisic is definitely an area in which Conte can be criticised. Clearly his option and clearly an area of the field we are not getting much out of.

We can point to his assists but some of them have been corners.

He hasn't scored or even looked like scoring and thats one thing I really thought he'd add. Son is suffering and we are vulnerable down the left defensively.

I have been very disappointed with Perisic, but I think the bolded part is a strange stance to take? I'm glad we have someone who can hit a good corner, weren't we useless at them before Conte?