Fan Forum

[Guernman]

Personally as much as I want to win things I would rather our be a sustainably top club than generally mediocre but win a cup as a one off due to a favourable draw and a bit of luck

Even with 5 CL places there are now 7 clubs that will be relying on regular champions league qualification to finance their ambitions. The additional money and allure are essential if you don’t want to fall away from these other clubs

I have many gripes with the way the club is run, but prioritising CL qualification over domestic cups isn’t one of them. If you are challenging for the league you’re going to have regular chances in the cups.

 

[JacoZA]

Was the league cup approached with the same effort as the league?

Why are you asking me, a person who neither made the statement being discussed nor selects the team playing in these competitions?

 

[chas vs dave]

So no questions of actual substance then to Levy? Would love to know his thought process behind sacking a serial cup winner 4 days before a cup final(no matter how funny that was at the time it was still dumb). Would love to know where the extra £50m is from ENIC(id assume Joe’s legal fund). And lastly, who exactly is the controlling party of our owner, ENIC. Like who is pulling the strings(i cant imagine its that estate lawyer) & they’ve told the league that Joe is no longer involved, which with no answers to this, seems like a lie.

Do you actually seriously support spurs? All you do is complain about owners.

I bet you're gutted that things are going well right now, bloody fun sponges.

 

[HodisGawd]

There seems to be a rare outbreak of sense in this thread. Long may it continue.

Just goes to show that a bit of communication and transparency makes a big difference. That is my main gripe with Levy: that he hasn't ensured the fanbase understands what's going on at the club. It's created this void where everything from legitimate unanswered questions to deranged hatred has been allowed to live and it has got out of hand, to the detriment of everything. Apart from the way it's been communicated, I'm very happy with the stadium and the long-term sustainability project.

We could have performed better on the pitch since moving into the new stadium, and yes, a trophy or two would've been nice, but we certainly haven't performed badly. I get so bored of the hyperbole surrounding the club, Levy needs to do more to keep that in check but the Fan Forum hopefully will have helped.

 

[Trix]

I’m convinced some of you lot want to live in abject misery

We’re healing. We have a loveable, good, young team playing great football and winning. With an equally loveable Manager who is doing and saying all the right things and you still can’t get a semblance of enjoyment from it.

Levy has been rightfully criticised for not being visible enough. He’s done 2 events within a week of each other and from what I’ve seen given reasonable answers to questions (in the sense of what someone in his position can and will say). I don’t need him to come out and say “I’m fucking useless” what do we, he or the club stand to gain from that? None of you would be happy with that anyway.

Those of you wanting a gallery shoot at a club organised fan forum. What did you expect? You wouldn’t be happy unless he’s marched naked down the high road whilst you stand and shout “Shame” at the bloke.

I’ve not been on here for a few weeks and have been feeling more positive than I have in years about Spurs. Then I look in this thread and it’s actually surprised me. It’s depressing. Why do you do it to yourselves?

Absolute drivel. We are all enjoying what is happening right now but that doesn't mean we just sweep everything that has happened, and is still happening under the carpet. Like forgiving your missus for cheating on you because she gave you a blowy to make up for it. On the pitch there has been significant improvement and yes he's put his head above the parapet and shouldered some of the blame, but there are still things the club are getting very wrong like the ticket pricing for instance. He still has to be held accountable for his mistakes regardless of the football on display. He's done a lot right lately but he's a long way to go before he is absolved of criticism.

 

[Tucker]

“This a club that should be winning every competition, not just cups”

So we are prioritising the league over cup competitions basically.

This is why I can see the club don’t bother doing this kind of thing very often.

A seemingly ambitious statement from our manager gets twisted into something negative.

 

[Thenewcat]

“This a club that should be winning every competition, not just cups”

So we are prioritising the league over cup competitions basically.

The word ‘just’ doesn’t really belong in that sentence does it? Don’t you have to actually win some cups before you can win more than ‘just’ cups?

 

[Thenewcat]

Personally as much as I want to win things I would rather our be a sustainably top club than generally mediocre but win a cup as a one off due to a favourable draw and a bit of luck

Even with 5 CL places there are now 7 clubs that will be relying on regular champions league qualification to finance their ambitions. The additional money and allure are essential if you don’t want to fall away from these other clubs

I have many gripes with the way the club is run, but prioritising CL qualification over domestic cups isn’t one of them. If you are challenging for the league you’re going to have regular chances in the cups.

Totally agree with you, right up to the last sentence. We aren’t going to have regular chances in the cups if we constantly rotate the entire team every time we play in one. This year of all years doing that was totally unnecessary and a massive own goal. Note I am happy with things generally but it does bug me when we actively harm our chances of winning stuff for no good reason

 

[nicdic]

Absolute drivel. We are all enjoying what is happening right now but that doesn't mean we just sweep everything that has happened, and is still happening under the carpet. Like forgiving your missus for cheating on you because she gave you a blowy to make up for it. On the pitch there has been significant improvement and yes he's put his head above the parapet and shouldered some of the blame, but there are still things the club are getting very wrong like the ticket pricing for instance. He still has to be held accountable for his mistakes regardless of the football on display. He's done a lot right lately but he's a long way to go before he is absolved of criticism.

They've said there's going to be a full thing on ticket prices right?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Kane for one.

Very interesting response from Levy, doesn't excuse that ultimately he made the mistakes in those hires and processes of hires including letting Nuno happen but I can see his perspective there and I think ITK previously mentioned pressure from players to get a big name manager in and lets not lie after Poch, most of us wanted a big name manager in to try and 'get us over the line'.

We should've learnt our lessons after Jose & Nuno, repeating the mistake with Conte was frustrating but again at the time a lot of us were excited about Conte and believed he was a better more in-form 'trophy manager' than the outdated Jose, the issue as Levy says is that both of them don't suit our club, our fans demand attacking attractive football, not every club has that in their DNA, we very much do ever since our famous push and run side, through to the flair players of Hoddle, Gazza etc, we've more often than not played with freedom and flair and tried to attack and score goals and win so Jose and Conte were just a bad fit.

However I also said for a while that I thought Hugo, Kane and a few other senior players were holding us back as they had too much 'power', the players shouldn't be dictating who the next Manager is, there should be a strategy from the top that suits our club.

Hindsight and all that but this is another reason as to why I'm glad we sold Kane because it was hugely important in us having a truly fresh start and not having one player who thinks they're bigger than the club as that rubs off on the rest of the squad and club.

At least Levy has admitted these were mistakes and he has 100% got it right with Ange by far the best fit Tottenham Manager Levy has ever hired.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I also like how Levy said that he appreciated how straight talking and 'normal' Ange is, who of us would enjoy working with Jose and Conte? Probably none of us, they'd both be an absolute emotional nightmare, Levy can overcomplicate things as he's an analytical personality so he needs a strong red type straight talking personality but one who isn't overly emotional and who is realistic and positive, Ange is exactly that.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

“This a club that should be winning every competition, not just cups”

So we are prioritising the league over cup competitions basically.

No the point there is that Ange is saying we need a robust enough squad to compete and try to win every competition.

As he said the other day 10th and a Carabao cup isn't success as it doesn't mean that we are a good team, if he can get us back towards the top of the PL then as a by-product of that our squad will be robust to sustain a long season title challenge and therefore we would naturally fair better to try and win cups.

 

[vegassd]

There seems to be a rare outbreak of sense in this thread. Long may it continue.

Just goes to show that a bit of communication and transparency makes a big difference. That is my main gripe with Levy: that he hasn't ensured the fanbase understands what's going on at the club. It's created this void where everything from legitimate unanswered questions to deranged hatred has been allowed to live and it has got out of hand, to the detriment of everything. Apart from the way it's been communicated, I'm very happy with the stadium and the long-term sustainability project.

We could have performed better on the pitch since moving into the new stadium, and yes, a trophy or two would've been nice, but we certainly haven't performed badly. I get so bored of the hyperbole surrounding the club, Levy needs to do more to keep that in check but the Fan Forum hopefully will have helped.

I agree. Levy isn't exactly Mr. Charisma at the best of times, but these types of appearances do help with fan engagement for a lot of fans I'm sure. At the very least, it's showing some accountability.

I know that making a public apology doesn't magically absolve Levy of every bad decision along the way, but it's more than a lot of people would have done. Hopefully it can be the start of us putting things right as a club, letting the likes of Munn/Paratici/Gabbanini get on with the football stuff, and keeping fans more in the loop with comms.

I also hope that fan organisations do see the club engagement as a two way thing. If these kind of events end up as nothing but a club bashing then they will stop happening, and the fans will lose a voice when it comes to things like ticket pricing, accessibility etc.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I don't know why Levy sacked Mourinho before the Cup Final.

But, I do believe that the decisions to hire Mourinho and Conte were rooted in a desire to "win now" with a specific group of players, and specifically Kane.

I think both hires were short-sighted, and ultimately very poor decisions that did not reflect the reality of the squad at hand - bar Kane.

Levy misread the talent on the team, and overestimated that squad's ability to win - but, I do think the hires were specifically made at each time with a "win now" mentality.

Agree mate and I think Levy is a slow learner but at the same time in life sometimes you have to try something to know if it will work or not, tbh I'm more annoyed about the Nuno appointment than Jose or Conte as Nuno was just a complete muck up waste of time from day1 whereas I do see the thinking behind Jose and then Conte but good to hear that lessons have been learnt and he's got it 100% spot on with Ange so on we go lets enjoy this time now and move on from the past.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I agree. Levy isn't exactly Mr. Charisma at the best of times, but these types of appearances do help with fan engagement for a lot of fans I'm sure. At the very least, it's showing some accountability.

I know that making a public apology doesn't magically absolve Levy of every bad decision along the way, but it's more than a lot of people would have done. Hopefully it can be the start of us putting things right as a club, letting the likes of Munn/Paratici/Gabbanini get on with the football stuff, and keeping fans more in the loop with comms.

I also hope that fan organisations do see the club engagement as a two way thing. If these kind of events end up as nothing but a club bashing then they will stop happening, and the fans will lose a voice when it comes to things like ticket pricing, accessibility etc.

Agree mate.

I was at the previous one in 2017 I think it was and he came across pretty well tbh so if nothing else it usually is a good PR move especially when flanked with the manager and captain also.

The line-up when I was there was Levy, Hugo, Poch which was cool but Levy, Ange, Sonny is a serious upgrade to an evening like that, Poch just gave messy muddled answers and Hugo was frankly pretty boring and kept tempering any expectations, opposite to Ange and Sonny who are clear, direct and sky is the limit people.

 

[aliyid]

 

[Guernman]

There is a lot to like about these events but the times we fans would really appreciate meaningful communication from the club are when things are going badly.

I know that he doesn’t like the limelight and I recognise that it must be very tempting to pop up now when everything is rosy and Levy can simply ride on the coattails of Ange’s popularity but we all know that when we inevitably go through a rough patch it will be Postecoglou standing up there alone

I get that many chairmen never make any public appearances at all so perhaps I’m being unfair, but now that Lewis is on paper out of the loop this is the Daniel Levy show. It would be great if he realised that the times when he would rather hide from view are precisely the times he really needs to be heard

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

On the winning cups debate, Platini when he headed UEFA tried to rejuvenate the FA Cup and other countries major cup competitions by giving the winning club a Champions League place , the clubs turned it down preferring to qualify by League position, just shows where club priorities are.

Platini stands by plans for European reform despite opposition

Michel Platini will plough on with his proposal to give domestic cup winners a Champions League place despite dissenting voices from Europe's top leagues.

www.theguardian.com

 

[easley91]

It's so funny to me. People want transparency from the board and want Levy to speak more, yet when he does it's always twisted in a negative way and even anything positive is deemed a lie and not believable. So what's the point in him doing these things if some of you refuse to believe him from the outset?

 

[felmani26]

Shame nobody asked about Munn or DoF

Unless this hasn't been relayed yet via social media, I am absolutely staggered that there has been no question or mention of either Munn or potential new DoF to which, Ange himself alluded to being appointed very soon a couple of weeks ago - hell, even a cursory mention of Paratici's 'consultancy role' and/or Gabbanini's rise to prominance.

If Munn is going to indeed be shaping the football operations of the club then how the fuck can this not be a major point of order from the FAB, Trust etc. in recent days?!?