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[muel]

Absolute drivel. We are all enjoying what is happening right now but that doesn't mean we just sweep everything that has happened, and is still happening under the carpet. Like forgiving your missus for cheating on you because she gave you a blowy to make up for it. On the pitch there has been significant improvement and yes he's put his head above the parapet and shouldered some of the blame, but there are still things the club are getting very wrong like the ticket pricing for instance. He still has to be held accountable for his mistakes regardless of the football on display. He's done a lot right lately but he's a long way to go before he is absolved of criticism.

What a shit inept metaphor. A more apt one is lots of people being like that girlfriend that is always bringing up old arguments from years ago despite how things are and have been heading.

Surely the measure is whether things are improving? Football, Manager, Recruitment, Structure, Spending, communication all heading in the right direction. Like you’ve said yourself in your post.

It’s not absolving him of responsibility for past failings it’s being balanced enough to recognise problems and mistakes happen and errors are being corrected.

I imagine running a football club of this scale whilst trying to compete with sovereign wealth funds is really fucking complex and difficult. I’ve been angry and baffled at some of the mistakes and decisions but I also recognise the good and understand that we have 1% of the context and can look at all things in balance.

 

[HodisGawd]

Absolute drivel. We are all enjoying what is happening right now but that doesn't mean we just sweep everything that has happened, and is still happening under the carpet. Like forgiving your missus for cheating on you because she gave you a blowy to make up for it. On the pitch there has been significant improvement and yes he's put his head above the parapet and shouldered some of the blame, but there are still things the club are getting very wrong like the ticket pricing for instance. He still has to be held accountable for his mistakes regardless of the football on display. He's done a lot right lately but he's a long way to go before he is absolved of criticism.

No football club chair would or should ever be "absolved of criticism". It's the nature of the job to have us scrutinising their every move. That's not what anyone is trying to argue.

I just don't see Levy's alleged crimes as particularly heinous. Ticket prices have gone up (but not season ticket prices) and that's disappointing, but in the real world not at all surprising. Levy is not in the ethically questionable (to say the least) bracket of Newcastle and Man City, and he's not in the bracket of total incompetence like Everton, Chelsea and a ton of others. We haven't hit incredible heights, nor incredible lows. He's been a solid 7/10 for the most part, lifting the club over time but not yet taking us to the promised land. Hopefully, now is the moment when we push that on.

What bothers me is the vitriol and hatred towards Levy, which is just toxic. Give it a rest, lads! Calm down.

So can we have some optimism and cheer in the room??? Up the Spurs.

 

[Yiddo100]

Did nobody ask about Munn, DOF ect?

 

[riggi]

How do you figure that?

If someone believes we should be winning every competition, wouldn't that imply that all competitions are approached with the same effort?

Why did we field a weakened team for the Fulham game?

If we are taking the cups seriously then I don’t see why we can’t field our strongest team and then take them off when we are comfortable in the game?

 

[HodisGawd]

Why did we field a weakened team for the Fulham game?

If we are taking the cups seriously then I don’t see why we can’t field our strongest team and then take them off when we are comfortable in the game?

Because Ange decided to. Just let it go.

 

[riggi]

This is why I can see the club don’t bother doing this kind of thing very often.

A seemingly ambitious statement from our manager gets twisted into something negative.

Well it’s either positive or negative depending on what you want for the club. Plenty of fans would put us in the CL over winning a domestic cup. In fact I have a feeling that the majority would.

 

[riggi]

Because Ange decided to. Just let it go.

I’ll let him know that I’ll give him a chance to win me over in the FA Cup. I’m sure he will be relieved.

 

[marion52]

On the winning cups debate, Platini when he headed UEFA tried to rejuvenate the FA Cup and other countries major cup competitions by giving the winning club a Champions League place , the clubs turned it down preferring to qualify by League position, just shows where club priorities are.

Platini stands by plans for European reform despite opposition

Michel Platini will plough on with his proposal to give domestic cup winners a Champions League place despite dissenting voices from Europe's top leagues.

www.theguardian.com

But we had a competition for fa cup winners, it was called the Cup Winners Cup.
it was abolished and CL took precedence.

 

[PLTuck]

I'm with Herc. It's a start. I would say a very good start. He's publicly fessed up to his biggest mistakes. That alone is massive for me.

Hopefully with Ange they can build a relationship where the higher ups start seeing the benefits of better fan engagement. Let's hope this a yearly thing from now on.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

But we had a competition for fa cup winners, it was called the Cup Winners Cup.
it was abolished and CL took precedence.

Cup Winners Cup was a fun competition, it felt much less serious but carried equal amounts of bragging rights.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Why did we field a weakened team for the Fulham game?

If we are taking the cups seriously then I don’t see why we can’t field our strongest team and then take them off when we are comfortable in the game?

We had 3 games in a week. We were always going to rotate.

It's not like we sent out the u21s. Ange played senior players, who unfortunately could not deliver a result.

 

[PaulThurston]

It's up on Spursplay if anyone wants to watch it.

 

[riggi]

We had 3 games in a week. We were always going to rotate.

It's not like we sent out the u21s. Ange played senior players, who unfortunately could not deliver a result.

Rotate in the other games and play our best team in the knockout competition midweek.

Hopefully we are in this for the long term with Ange. My gut tells me things will carry on going in the right direction. I just want to make sure we don’t revert to type and pass up good opportunities for domestic cups while chasing the league.

 

[JacoZA]

Why did we field a weakened team for the Fulham game?

If we are taking the cups seriously then I don’t see why we can’t field our strongest team and then take them off when we are comfortable in the game?

Yes, I know that the team selection would suggest that the league cup was not prioritized to the same level as the league.

My question was how do you take that specific quote you posted to mean that we are prioritizing the league over the cups, when the quote seems to mean the opposite of that?

 

[Trix]

What a shit inept metaphor. A more apt one is lots of people being like that girlfriend that is always bringing up old arguments from years ago despite how things are and have been heading.

Surely the measure is whether things are improving? Football, Manager, Recruitment, Structure, Spending, communication all heading in the right direction. Like you’ve said yourself in your post.

It’s not absolving him of responsibility for past failings it’s being balanced enough to recognise problems and mistakes happen and errors are being corrected.

I imagine running a football club of this scale whilst trying to compete with sovereign wealth funds is really fucking complex and difficult. I’ve been angry and baffled at some of the mistakes and decisions but I also recognise the good and understand that we have 1% of the context and can look at all things in balance.

And I'm doing and have always done just that, I am giving him credit for what is going on right now just as I did for the majority of the infrastructure he has overseen. I am though getting a bit fed up with certain posters telling me(and others) that we shouldn't voice our criticisms because things are looking up, and in your case failing to understand that we can be enjoying what is happening right now(very very early days) because we are still pointing out the mistakes and they have not been forgiven and that they are still affecting us as a club right now.

You are right that it's very complex and again I say this time and again, but so is every big business and the fact is in every other big business the CEO would have more than likely been removed after so many major mistakes not allowed to just reset time and again. I also get the point that he is a high stake share holder and close friend of the majority share holder, and also that football is different to any other field but that doesn't mean he is absolved of criticism, 6 weeks of good times don't write off 3 years of misery. The increase in ticket pricing is only a few weeks old and should never have happened but "they'll take a look at it" in the future, which will mean for next season but in the meantime fans are paying a higher price, and the clubs PR has taken another hit. I am happy we are moving forward on the pitch but off it I still want the whole board out or at the very least a lot more changes need to happen!

 

[muel]

And I'm doing and have always done just that, I am giving him credit for what is going on right now just as I did for the majority of the infrastructure he has overseen. I am though getting a bit fed up with certain posters telling me(and others) that we shouldn't voice our criticisms because things are looking up, and in your case failing to understand that we can be enjoying what is happening right now(very very early days) because we are still pointing out the mistakes and they have not been forgiven and that they are still affecting us as a club right now.

You are right that it's very complex and again I say this time and again, but so is every big business and the fact is in every other big business the CEO would have more than likely been removed after so many major mistakes not allowed to just reset time and again. I also get the point that he is a high stake share holder and close friend of the majority share holder, and also that football is different to any other field but that doesn't mean he is absolved of criticism, 6 weeks of good times don't write off 3 years of misery. The increase in ticket pricing is only a few weeks old and should never have happened but "they'll take a look at it" in the future, which will mean for next season but in the meantime fans are paying a higher price, and the clubs PR has taken another hit. I am happy we are moving forward on the pitch but off it I still want the whole board out or at the very least a lot more changes need to happen!

Some fair points. On others I guess we agree to disagree.

My frustration isn’t at anyone/everyone who criticises it’s at the posters who don’t show balance and twist every little thing the club or more specifically Levy does into a negative.

 

[riggi]

Yes, I know that the team selection would suggest that the league cup was not prioritized to the same level as the league.

My question was how do you take that specific quote you posted to mean that we are prioritizing the league over the cups, when the quote seems to mean the opposite of that?

Maybe im reading too much into it but off the back of the Fulham game I felt it was a subtle way of saying come on guys, we need to aim higher than just the cups. Our ambitions are more than that. Aka if you see me putting out a stronger team in the league than in the milk cup, that’s why.

I take the point that he’s probably just saying we want a squad that can compete on all levels.

I hope this season he puts the FA cup as priority.

 

[JacoZA]

Maybe im reading too much into it but off the back of the Fulham game I felt it was a subtle way of saying come on guys, we need to aim higher than just the cups. Our ambitions are more than that. Aka if you see me putting out a stronger team in the league than in the milk cup, that’s why.

I take the point that he’s probably just saying we want a squad that can compete on all levels.

I hope this season he puts the FA cup as priority.

I had not considered this, and I do now see how it could be what he was getting at.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I also get the point that he is a high stake share holder and close friend of the majority share holder

I agree with your post - but wanted to point out that he is more than simply a high stake shareholder - he is in fact the Managing Director of the majority owner of the club - ENIC. He makes the decisions, and is effectively accountable to himself.

Its also important to remember that, whether we like it or not, neither ENIC, nor Joe Lewis (nor his family nor Trustee), are judging Tottenham based on on-field success. So, there is no incentive to make changes at the board level unless/until their is a financial reason to do so.

This is obviously contrary to most supporters who only judge a club's success based on on-field accomplishments.

I think Levy is fair game to criticize from a fan's perspective. And from a footballing perspective - he has gotten a lot wrong over the years. Unfortunately, nobody that he answers to is using football success as a measure of accomplishment for the chairman. From the perspective of ENIC/Lewis - Levy is the best chairman they can find.

Some owners are driven by ego to win on the field - at almost any cost. Levy/Lewis are not those owners.

 

[BorjeSpurs]

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