FIFA Women's World Cup 2019

fluffybunnyuk

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more var controversy. Cant wait for the outrage next season when it matters.You just know the interpretations going to be tested at some point.
 

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more var controversy. Cant wait for the outrage next season when it matters.You just know the interpretations going to be tested at some point.
Match of the Day will be on for 6 hours every Saturday night....:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.......I said on another thread in 50 years time you will go to watch a match and not know what the actual score was until three hours after getting home when the computers have had time to analyse every moment....sad :cry:
 

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Lmao what a fucking joke of a penalty. The France player jumped in with two feet and would have broken the Norwegian defender's leg or ankle if the latter had slid in or gone for a block tackle.

Plus the defender made contact with the ball and just caught the forward on the follow-through.

The France players and the crowd clearly influenced the ref, who was happy to let it go until they surrounded her.
 

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I'm honestly bewildered by the reaction. Anywhere else on the pitch where a players studs go into the opponents knee and no one bats an eye at a foul and a yellow. But for some reason in the penalty area people think unless the defender was trying to murder the attacker with an axe, then getting a toe on the ball absolves the defender of all sin.
 

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I'm honestly bewildered by the reaction. Anyone else on the pitch where a players studs go into the opponents knee and no one bats an eye at a foul and a yellow. But for some reason in the penalty area people think unless the defender was trying to murder the attacker with an axe, then getting a toe on the ball absolves the defender of all sin.
Yeah I don't get that either. Forget what the French player did, the way the Norwegian followed through and caught the knee meant a pen was always going to be given when it went to VAR, and I have no complaints.

"But I got the ball, ref" is an extremely English excuse, as if everything that happens after that is allowed.
 

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Pride comes before a fall. I cant wait for the team that stuffs the USA.
The problem is not that the USA are good. There is no doubt they are. The problem is most of the other teams are behind the curve on fitness, technique, development, and leagues. I've no doubt that eventually the european teams will catch up. After all the mens game is a bear-pit when it comes to competitiveness at the national level, where the USA barely get a look in.
Eventually the USA will be a footnote like the mens team due to their league structures. Might take a loooooong time though.
France is up there league-wise but then again, they got one of the best players in Europe playing there. I.e. Ada Hegeberg

The national team are performing well so far and they won against Norway tonight. Willing to bet that France will face USA in the final
 

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I see the US team are getting criticised in some US media for the way they celebrated all of their goals. Saying they showed poor sportsmanship. Tbh I did think a few of their celebrations were ott. Especially when it got past 6-0 and they were still going wild as the goals poured in.

Anyway there should be some good games today looking forward to them.
Typical American hypocrisy. If it had been an NFL team winning 50 something to nothing, the players would still be doing their moronic dances in the end zone and every sports talking head would be praising them.

Good on them for doing the job they are paid for and good on them for enjoying it.

I wish Tottenham had won by 13-0 in Madrid and celebrated every goal the same way
 

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Typical American hypocrisy. If it had been an NFL team winning 50 something to nothing, the players would still be doing their moronic dances in the end zone and every sports talking head would be praising them.

Good on them for doing the job they are paid for and good on them for enjoying it.

I wish Tottenham had won by 13-0 in Madrid and celebrated every goal the same way
I'm glad they have a chip on their shoulder. It's the World Cup. No one cared when Norway scored 12 in the u20 cup a few weeks ago.
 

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Pride comes before a fall. I cant wait for the team that stuffs the USA.
The problem is not that the USA are good. There is no doubt they are. The problem is most of the other teams are behind the curve on fitness, technique, development, and leagues. I've no doubt that eventually the european teams will catch up. After all the mens game is a bear-pit when it comes to competitiveness at the national level, where the USA barely get a look in.
Eventually the USA will be a footnote like the mens team due to their league structures. Might take a loooooong time though.
Sounds like the issue people had wasn't as much with the 13-0 scoreline.

People thought it was classless that the US women were doing full celebrations for each goal with the game in hand.

I don't have any real issue with the scoreline....i have played sports my entire life and been on both sides of a beating, it happens, it is what it is.

But i can see how the celebrations would rub people the wrong way. Didn't really bother me but i can see how some people would not like it.
I'm a Yank and i find their behavior disappointing as well and the scored to a lesser extent. It speaks of ultimately a mentality that is weaker than it should be.

Was there anything to gain by blitzing them? Perhaps a bit. Caught up in the emotion of the moment? Perhaps. But to get swept up to that level of emotion when the game is already won, that suggests that they were focusing on the wrong thing. While never been beaten that badly, the teams i played on won a few games like that when tournament rules were set up to reward such behavior. This is not one of those tournaments. Most importantly, the best coaches i've ever had said, "Play the game with class" and "When you score, act like that is what you do. It's no big deal. Getting in the opponent's head is more important than some ego gratification."

But don't confuse this with outrage. Since i can't look in their heads, it is impossible to know whether it was classlessness, getting caught up in the moment or something else. I hope they learn from it and learn to be gracious winners.
 

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I'm a Yank and i find their behavior disappointing as well and the scored to a lesser extent. It speaks of ultimately a mentality that is weaker than it should be.

Was there anything to gain by blitzing them? Perhaps a bit. Caught up in the emotion of the moment? Perhaps. But to get swept up to that level of emotion when the game is already won, that suggests that they were focusing on the wrong thing. While never been beaten that badly, the teams i played on won a few games like that when tournament rules were set up to reward such behavior. This is not one of those tournaments. Most importantly, the best coaches i've ever had said, "Play the game with class" and "When you score, act like that is what you do. It's no big deal. Getting in the opponent's head is more important than some ego gratification."

But don't confuse this with outrage. Since i can't look in their heads, it is impossible to know whether it was classlessness, getting caught up in the moment or something else. I hope they learn from it and learn to be gracious winners.
EDIT: apparently GD does matter however, i suspect that 13-0 vs 9-0 might not....... even if they needed to score 13, they didn't need to celebrate that grandly
 

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EDIT: apparently GD does matter however, i suspect that 13-0 vs 9-0 might not....... even if they needed to score 13, they didn't need to celebrate that grandly
Why not?

Serious question. Again, as I said above, they did the job they are paid to do and they did it well.

If they'd taken their foot off the pedal, substituted all their strikers and just passed the ball around in the middle of the pitch they would have been accused of mocking the Thai team and not 'playing the game'.
 

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Why not?

Serious question. Again, as I said above, they did the job they are paid to do and they did it well.

If they'd taken their foot off the pedal, substituted all their strikers and just passed the ball around in the middle of the pitch they would have been accused of mocking the Thai team and not 'playing the game'.
There are two points to the discussion which can be separated. The first is the easier which is "Should they have celebrated as they did?" My response was "no". It demonstrates that they have the wrong mentality IMHO.

With regards to the scoreline, it's not clear cut and i had hoped to avoid sounding black and white on that issue. GD does matter so it is hard to blame them for running up the score and in all fairness to them, that was the first game of the group and not the third where it is more obvious what needs to be done. With that said, they scored Five goals in the 80th minute and beyond. Anyone with any talent or brains knows how to slow a game up while still playing aggressively enough. (Look at Liverpool in the Final!) Take the ball into pressure, attempt to thread impossible passes, play behind the opposing defense and be 2' offsides, play the ball in the air, etc. Your counterpoint that that is a bad habit to get into is dead on. But one doesn't have to play the rest of the game at full speed.

So i get your point on the scoreline and can say it isn't black and white.

However, if at the end of the game, the Thai players are left on the pitch crying, well, that speaks volumes and it isn't clear that they would have felt more respected with this outcome over an attempt to slow the game down. From a cultural perspective, my understanding is that Thailand is a country where saving face is important.
 

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There are two points to the discussion which can be separated. The first is the easier which is "Should they have celebrated as they did?" My response was "no". It demonstrates that they have the wrong mentality IMHO.

With regards to the scoreline, it's not clear cut and i had hoped to avoid sounding black and white on that issue. GD does matter so it is hard to blame them for running up the score and in all fairness to them, that was the first game of the group and not the third where it is more obvious what needs to be done. With that said, they scored Five goals in the 80th minute and beyond. Anyone with any talent or brains knows how to slow a game up while still playing aggressively enough. (Look at Liverpool in the Final!) Take the ball into pressure, attempt to thread impossible passes, play behind the opposing defense and be 2' offsides, play the ball in the air, etc. Your counterpoint that that is a bad habit to get into is dead on. But one doesn't have to play the rest of the game at full speed.

So i get your point on the scoreline and can say it isn't black and white.

However, if at the end of the game, the Thai players are left on the pitch crying, well, that speaks volumes and it isn't clear that they would have felt more respected with this outcome over an attempt to slow the game down. From a cultural perspective, my understanding is that Thailand is a country where saving face is important.
I guess we're going to agree to disagree on this one. Saving face may be culturally important in Thailand, but it is of no concern in a sporting tournament.

I bet Sweden and Chile are going to try and do better than 13 goals when they play them.
 

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I'm a Yank and i find their behavior disappointing as well and the scored to a lesser extent. It speaks of ultimately a mentality that is weaker than it should be.

Was there anything to gain by blitzing them? Perhaps a bit. Caught up in the emotion of the moment? Perhaps. But to get swept up to that level of emotion when the game is already won, that suggests that they were focusing on the wrong thing. While never been beaten that badly, the teams i played on won a few games like that when tournament rules were set up to reward such behavior. This is not one of those tournaments. Most importantly, the best coaches i've ever had said, "Play the game with class" and "When you score, act like that is what you do. It's no big deal. Getting in the opponent's head is more important than some ego gratification."

But don't confuse this with outrage. Since i can't look in their heads, it is impossible to know whether it was classlessness, getting caught up in the moment or something else. I hope they learn from it and learn to be gracious winners.
The scoring doesn't bother me. This wasn't a case where Thailand was out coached or the players had an off day. They were just 100% outclassed. USA's team was just bigger and better than everyone on Thailand. In that case, as a player, i would rather you just play. The holding the ball and running out the clock would feel genuinely insulting. You playing your game, at least i have a chance.

Plus let's face it, it's hard to throttle back as an athlete. You are at the world cup. You have your coaches and teammates telling you to push yourself. You are playing in front of a sold out (or near sold out, one of the few games in the WWC to have that many people at it) stadium that had literally thousands of USA supporters who flew to France to watch you play. That is a lot of things that can motivate you to push.

I can see that how the celebrations would be seen as a bit much though. I get that a couple of them were players who were scoring their first goal at a WC and that is exciting but a couple of them were overboard.
 

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One last point on the US-Thailand game. This was pointed out on another site discussing the game.

The Thai womens team know all about beating weaker teams by a large score. In 2018, they beat Cambodia in the Asian Womens Championship by a score of 11-0. And in a 'friendly' in May of last year they beat Indonesia 13-0

Nobody cared about 'loss of face' in those games where an obviously stronger team beat the crap out of a less talented side.

It seems to me that this fuss is only because it was the US Women's National team, who somehow broke an unwritten rule by scoring big and then celebrating their goals.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thailand_women's_national_football_team)
 

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Yeah I don't get that either. Forget what the French player did, the way the Norwegian followed through and caught the knee meant a pen was always going to be given when it went to VAR, and I have no complaints.

"But I got the ball, ref" is an extremely English excuse, as if everything that happens after that is allowed.
But the French player jumping in like that was the first foul so should've been the one the free kick was given for?
 

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But the French player jumping in like that was the first foul so should've been the one the free kick was given for?
Can it be a foul when she was nowhere near making contact and does not stop the Norwegian from striking the ball? Yes she jumped in, but for me she doesn't commit a foul.
 
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