Financial Fair Play rules?

[Bus-Conductor]

That's right. But again, when the average price of each player is probably about £40m and growing it's not much of a penalty is it?

I think you're right, it has prevented bankruptcies.

I don't think it's done nearly enough to redistribute wealth though, which is not my politics speaking but an attempt to recognise the realities of the game. Without good facilities for young and amatuer players and as a consequence of that, without a healthy network of small local amateur, semi-pro and fully professional clubs everywhere, there would be no Real Madrid and the handful of others who sit safely at the top of the heap.

I don't know whether FIFA/ UEFA deliberately set out to preserve the status quo at the top, or whether it was an accidental effect of not thinking the whole process through from top to bottom, in the face of fierce opposition and influence from vested interests that must have made the job next to impossible. In either event, the effect has, I believe, been to reduce competition and that is bad for the game in the long run.

It was no accident:

https://forensiconions.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/the-fs-of-ffp/

 

[UncleBuck]

Qatar Sports Investment will pay Neymar €300m to be one of their ambassadors for the 2022 World Cup with the contact being signed in Qatar so there is 0% tax to paid on the deal.

Neymar will then pay €222 to Barcelona to release him from the club leaving the door open for PSG to sign him for free.

Neymar will take his cut of €78 million plus the 6 year contract from PSG which is estimated to be worth €30m a year + bonuses.

Overall Neymar will earn €40m+ net a year during his 6 years in Paris.

No chance of Fifa pulling the WC from them then...,

 

[Lilbaz]

No chance of Fifa pulling the WC from them then...,

Depends. If the problems they have with the countries around them escalates they might.

 

[yankspurs]

Quite rich from Barca, tbh. On so many levels too.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

It's weird the way Platini shut the hell up about FFP rules the moment a French side got bought by Billionaires. Funny that

The Football authorities are a disgrace. There are so many aspects of the game I dislike these days.

 

[Lilbaz]

It's weird the way Platini shut the hell up about FFP rules the moment a French side got bought by Billionaires. Funny that

The Football authorities are a disgrace. There are so many aspects of the game I dislike these days.

His son also worked for psg. Platini is long gone though.

 

[Lilbaz]

http://www.givemesport.com/1114582-...ll-do-if-psg-spend-222m-on-neymar?autoplay=on

 

[hellava_tough]

http://www.givemesport.com/1114582-...ll-do-if-psg-spend-222m-on-neymar?autoplay=on

Is the 3 years in question, a rolling 3 year period or a set 3 year period?

i.e. every time the financial year ends, you look back 3 years to work out the total, or is the total decided at predetermined interval years (e.g. 2018, 2021, 2024, etc)?

 

[Lilbaz]

Is the 3 years in question, a rolling 3 year period or a set 3 year period?

i.e. every time the financial year ends, you look back 3 years to work out the total, or is the total decided at predetermined interval years (e.g. 2018, 2021, 2024, etc)?

Rolling i believe. Psg will have to hand over their accounts around jan (for this year). So it will be determined on 2015/16/17.

Don't quote me on that as am no way sure.

 

[hellava_tough]

Rolling i believe. Psg will have to hand over their accounts around jan (for this year). So it will be determined on 2015/16/17.

Don't quote me on that as am no way sure.

Makes more sense tbf

 

[Tucker]

The whole Neymar thing is obscene.

 

[hellava_tough]

The whole Neymar thing is obscene.

I'm in two minds about it

In and of itself, it is a bit crazy that a club could pay so much for a human being, who is essentially just an entertainer

However, looking at it in the wider context of a capitalist system, the fame/entertainment industry and the idea of elitism within a market (i.e. you're in the top 0.00001% of people in your industry, so you get paid accordingly) it's not that unusual

That said, you might not agree with those things and that's fair enough

Also, I can completely understand people thinking that this is bad for football; a lack of a financial level playing field and an over inflated financial bubble, etc.

That may be true, but we also have to acknowledge that our own club is part of that system as well. We've got more financial clout that most other clubs and as such have plundered them for their players and managers as well. Added to this, not many clubs can afford to build a stadium like ours that really will cement us in the 'big league', with all that extra revenue

So ultimately, there are different aspects to this transfer, where theories and behaviours are being repeated by many other clubs although on a smaller scale

 

[Tucker]

I'm in two minds about it

In and of itself, it is a bit crazy that a club could pay so much for a human being, who is essentially just an entertainer

However, looking at it in the wider context of a capitalist system, the fame/entertainment industry and the idea of elitism within a market (i.e. you're in the top 0.00001% of people in your industry, so you get paid accordingly) it's not that unusual

That said, you might not agree with those things and that's fair enough

Also, I can completely understand people thinking that this is bad for football; a lack of a financial level playing field and an over inflated financial bubble, etc.

That may be true, but we also have to acknowledge that our own club is part of that system as well. We've got more financial clout that most other clubs and as such have plundered them for their players and managers as well. Added to this, not many clubs can afford to build a stadium like ours that really will cement us in the 'big league', with all that extra revenue

So ultimately, there are different aspects to this transfer, where theories and behaviours are being repeated by many other clubs although on a smaller scale

Yeah, I don't disagree with all of this to be honest, and you're right when you say within the context of the entertainment industry this is pretty much market rate. However, my main disgust with the whole thing is the fact that Qatar are warping the financial fair play rules to such an extent.

It just doesn't seem right.

Was reading about what Mourinho said on the BBC earlier, basically this is going to put the price of all players through the roof. And they are already insanely inflated prices. We are going to struggle to compete all the more.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

It was no accident:

https://forensiconions.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/the-fs-of-ffp/

That's a fascinating article. But I don't agree with all of it.

It argues that the attempt to outlaw owners "gifting" money was an attempt to protect the cabal of big clubs from competition from below, since how else ( it argues) could a smaller club like Chelsea hope to compete with a bigger club like Manchester United if external money was not allowed in?

It also argues that gifting external cash to a club a la Chelsea/Man City/ PSG is no different from stadium improvements designed to generate more revenue to be used to buy better players.

I believe the article is at fault here, in both cases. It overlooks the fact that, for example, the wealth of a club like Manu comes from the fact that it has more supporters than Chelsea. That is a function of football related circumstances taking effect over many years. You may not like it but that is how professional sport works. If you change it to allow Apple inc., for example, to make Tranmere Rovers the richest club on the planet and overnight buy up the best players and win everything available, which they could easily do if they wanted to, you have removed football from the equation and substituted it with a competition of pure external-to-football wealth. And that is why, even if it ostensibly prevents smaller clubs like Chelsea or Tranmere Rovers from competing and the highest level , preventing financial doping is essential for the good of the game.

The problem is the way FFP was implemented, which reinforced the advantages that clubs like Chelsea had already bought by preventing others from catching up by doing the same. It was a mess of an arrangement, even setting aside how difficult it is to implement in the face of mega-wealth like PSG's.

 

[hellava_tough]

Yeah, I don't disagree with all of this to be honest, and you're right when you say within the context of the entertainment industry this is pretty much market rate. However, my main disgust with the whole thing is the fact that Qatar are warping the financial fair play rules to such an extent.

It just doesn't seem right.

Was reading about what Mourinho said on the BBC earlier, basically this is going to put the price of all players through the roof. And they are already insanely inflated prices. We are going to struggle to compete all the more.

Overall I agree with what you're saying.

With regards to the point in bold, I suppose this all depends really.

I'd say that there is a higher supply (good players) than meets the demand for the teams that can pay £200m+ for a transfer fee and exorbitant wages (I think only PSG, Man Utd, Real and Barca could pay this sort of cash).

That leaves a lot of good players left over at current prices. Depends how much money those clubs pump into the market as a whole.

There may also be an issue in the future if the likes of PSG go completely crazy and start to stockpile players, with no intention of letting them play for their rivals. I used to think that players generally speaking wouldn't be happy to sit on a bench for a number of years, but if a club is willing to pay £200k+ a week for the privilege, then I'm not so sure.

 

[hellava_tough]

The plot thickens...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40814854

 

[stonecolddeanaustin]

The plot thickens...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40814854

Define hypocrisy....

"La Liga is positing that state-backed clubs that compete using 'financial doping' could destabilise professional football in Europe".

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The plot thickens...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40814854

Oh the irony...

 

[Lilbaz]

Neymar to sue la liga? Wasn't it the spanish that said you can't treat players like slaves when ronaldo wanted to join madrid?

 

[Tucker]

While I agree that it's rich for The Spanish to be saying state funded financial doping should be restricted, they do have a point.

This whole situation is very unseemly.