You'll get the odd knee jerk reaction. But if you're referring to the Levy out chanting, then I completely disagree with you.
The majority of the fanbase wants him gone due to the last two decades worth of mistakes. The latest one, is being stuck in the final hours of the window with 100+m in money that he got from selling one of our best ever players (and who he hasn't replaced yet, neither are we even seemingly close to doing so). There always seems to be some excuse too.
We were buying land for the stadium, then we were building the stadium, then we had the loan, then Covid hit, now its we have too many deadwood players to get rid of before we can spend any more money on players we desperately need.
And last night was a wake up from the dreamy start we've had, which shows how fragile the squad is, not the support.
To call a fanbase which has the highest ticket prices and yet sells out home and away, playing shit football for the last 4 years and not winning anything since 2008 "fragile" because they voice opinions and don't just support Levy blindly, is lazy.
They stuck with the team last night and despite discussion around Ange's team selection (which was suspect), I don't think there's been a massive overreaction.
Edit: And any dramatics we may or may not show, is a result of the piss poor management of the Club for 20+ years. When you're already on the verge of a nervous breakdown, it's the little things that push you over (like a Maddison crutches moment).
In an age that prioritises instant gratification and short attention spans, you can’t really be surprised that the mood swings so quickly within the fan base.
The younger the fan base becomes, the more modern problems become a part of supporting a football club. The more integrated social media becomes with football, the more impatient a fan base will become.
15 second short videos, instant food deliveries, social media that is based on comparison, these are just a few of the things that are intoxicating every fabric of society in the modern age.
Patience and logic are becoming more difficult to find, and those that tend to display these traits are in general of an older generation (I’m an early 90’s baby, so I’ve experienced “both” sides of the coin.)
It’s going to take time to rebuild this team, there is just too much deadwood in and around the squad at the moment. If only people could relax and give it 2-3 seasons to materialise it would make everyone more content and happier when we do finally achieve that success we’re all craving. Nothing worth having comes easy.
I too am of a similar age to you. I agree with the general social issues you've identified. I cannot include the Spurs fanbase in that though. Which other club has had the horrific run we've had, yet continues to have a massive fanbase spending thousands upon thousands of pounds (and rising!) per season to follow their team.In an age that prioritises instant gratification and short attention spans, you can’t really be surprised that the mood swings so quickly within the fan base.
The younger the fan base becomes, the more modern problems become a part of supporting a football club. The more integrated social media becomes with football, the more impatient a fan base will become.
15 second short videos, instant food deliveries, social media that is based on comparison, these are just a few of the things that are intoxicating every fabric of society in the modern age.
Patience and logic are becoming more difficult to find, and those that tend to display these traits are in general of an older generation (I’m an early 90’s baby, so I’ve experienced “both” sides of the coin.)
It’s going to take time to rebuild this team, there is just too much deadwood in and around the squad at the moment. If only people could relax and give it 2-3 seasons to materialise it would make everyone more content and happier when we do finally achieve that success we’re all craving. Nothing worth having comes easy.
If you want heartless greed look to Manure.I'm at a very peculiar stage in my fandom.
I despise Levy and his pals and think they're a cancer destroying the club. When I say destroy I mean it to. With every passing season the fanbase is more divided, priced out of seeing our team , home ground is now a souless entertainment venue used to boost their asset and we're on a cycle of hope and failure. And to be fair a lot of this is just modern football but I do believe that Levy is one of the worst examples of the heartless greed that runs through it
But I adore Ange, adore him. His attitude is exactly what Tottenham Hotspur should be about, he speaks so well with a refreshing honesty and I still want to protect our team like it's my own family.
I wont overact to a bad result as the issues and hopes remain the same , one game doesn't change that.
So I'm very much caught between two sides and all I can do is try and enjoy the positives and ignore the other stuff .
You say that, but last home game was a lot of fun. It felt better than a lot of whl matcheshome ground is now a souless entertainment venue used to boost their asset and we're on a cycle of hope
i'm still buzzing about our future but that was a kick in the bollox last night.
Hyperbolic thread.
Most posts about Ange are still fully behind him, they're just pointing out he made a mistake last night which he did.
I'm haven't seen anyone liken him to Tim Sherwood.
I disagree totally .If you want heartless greed look to Manure.
If you want failure look to Everton.
If you want a club (nearly) destroyed look to Leeds (and Everton).
I don't understand how you can say that our home ground is now a soulless entertainment venue. It's actually pretty well designed and the atmosphere, performance on the pitch permitting, can be one of the best.
You are right that this is the trajectory modern football is on. And Levy is doing is doing his best to stay ahead of the curve. My prediction is that in 10 years European football will be unrecognisable. Unless we have Europe wide legislation with something like the 50 + 1 rule which they have in Germany. However the risk of doing that is that all the top players will end up in the United States or wherever there is no ceiling to ticket prices and player remuneration.
As a spurs fan I recommend you enjoy what we have now (and leave cancer out of it).
I too am of a similar age to you. I agree with the general social issues you've identified. I cannot include the Spurs fanbase in that though. Which other club has had the horrific run we've had, yet continues to have a massive fanbase spending thousands upon thousands of pounds (and rising!) per season to follow their team.
Logic, in this instance, says have patience in Ange and his team, but not in the Club's ownership. It would be illogical and downright stupid to "trust" any Levy process at this stage. In this instance, we have to "wait" for Levy to correct previous years' mistakes and get rid of the deadwood, before we can spend any money replacing our greatest ever goalscorer. That's just piss poor management of a club by Levy and it's not in line with other societal dysfunctions to point that out.
This is such a good post. Almost my first thought after the game was that i couldn't look on Twitter or this site for the next 24 hrs 'cos it'd just do my head in (i already don't tune in to Talksport anymore & have cancelled Sky).In an age that prioritises instant gratification and short attention spans, you can’t really be surprised that the mood swings so quickly within the fan base.
The younger the fan base becomes, the more modern problems become a part of supporting a football club. The more integrated social media becomes with football, the more impatient a fan base will become.
15 second short videos, instant food deliveries, social media that is based on comparison, these are just a few of the things that are intoxicating every fabric of society in the modern age.
Patience and logic are becoming more difficult to find, and those that tend to display these traits are in general of an older generation (I’m an early 90’s baby, so I’ve experienced “both” sides of the coin.)
It’s going to take time to rebuild this team, there is just too much deadwood in and around the squad at the moment. If only people could relax and give it 2-3 seasons to materialise it would make everyone more content and happier when we do finally achieve that success we’re all craving. Nothing worth having comes easy.
I completely agree with you. We have to support the Club and as Ange himself said prior to the United game, the whole "family" needs to be heading in the same direction.I agree completely with your sentiment, it might be a bit of oversight on my part but I was specifically talking about Ange and giving him time, the board and Levy won’t get a shred of patience from me.
The problem is these two things are intimately intertwined so we have to apply the same reasoning across the board even if it goes against our better judgement of the board and Levy or we end up in limbo as a fan base. When things go well we celebrate too much and when things go bad we throw our toys out the cot.
It’s a bit bipolar in a sense, so I’d rather swallow my disdain for the board so I can focus purely on the positive things that Ange and his team are bringing to the table. Let’s face it the board isn’t changing anytime soon, so might as well as put our full focus and patience into the thing that brings us positivity.
You'll get the odd knee jerk reaction. But if you're referring to the Levy out chanting, then I completely disagree with you.
The majority of the fanbase wants him gone due to the last two decades worth of mistakes. The latest one, is being stuck in the final hours of the window with 100+m in money that he got from selling one of our best ever players (and who he hasn't replaced yet, neither are we even seemingly close to doing so). There always seems to be some excuse too.
We were buying land for the stadium, then we were building the stadium, then we had the loan, then Covid hit, now its we have too many deadwood players to get rid of before we can spend any more money on players we desperately need.
And last night was a wake up from the dreamy start we've had, which shows how fragile the squad is, not the support.
To call a fanbase which has the highest ticket prices and yet sells out home and away, playing shit football for the last 4 years and not winning anything since 2008 "fragile" because they voice opinions and don't just support Levy blindly, is lazy.
They stuck with the team last night and despite discussion around Ange's team selection (which was suspect), I don't think there's been a massive overreaction.
Edit: And any dramatics we may or may not show, is a result of the piss poor management of the Club for 20+ years. When you're already on the verge of a nervous breakdown, it's the little things that push you over (like a Maddison crutches moment).
Winner post, especially the highlighted bit.
Fans aren't "bi-polar", they're fed up with the regime. They'll support the team through thick and thin and any shaft of light is met with overwhelming positivity (lest you forget "Antonio" ringing round the ground a year ago). You could quite easily say the incredible levels of support Ange and the team have received in only three games is equally "bi-polar" and reactionary.
But failure is ingrained into the club, and these days everyone knows why, and who is responsible.
Fans being angry and depressed because we've gone out of the only realistic chance of silverware, in August, in the first round we've been in, as the first PL team to get knocked out, for the first time in 18 years that we've been knocked out this early, having won our last 7 away games at Craven Cottage - is not fans being "fragile"!
It was an awful performance which was symptomatic of 15 years of Spurs failure and was a stark reminder that despite our positive new manager, the club is still in absolutely no way set up to even try to win anything, and that the culture of failure still runs bone-deep through every aspect of the institution.
People are right to be pissed off and they have every right to express it.