Gareth Bale

[Spurs 1961]

Dang. Blame SC for that.

Not a betting man myself but thought I would check odds on several websites and 12-1 was the best. Looks like word is getting around

 

[philll]

Next Tuesday....Can see it now.....starts for Madrid.......then shocks the world by coming out 2nd half in a spurs shirt ?

As long as Eriksen doesn't come out in an RM shirt...

 

[Kingellesar]

Please, for once let us do something massive! That's my next 3 weeks of work out the window.....good job I got a new laptop with a shiny new F5 button

 

[ClintEastwould]

I would like to know what actual Real Madrid fans think of him. Is he really past it? Why does Zidane want him out so bad, is it just the Injuries or style of play?

 

[dagraham]

I would like to know what actual Real Madrid fans think of him. Is he really past it? Why does Zidane want him out so bad, is it just the Injuries or style of play?

Not sure their opinions are worth anything. These are the fans who booed Ronaldo because he had a dip in form for a couple of weeks.

 

[yankspurs]

I would like to know what actual Real Madrid fans think of him. Is he really past it? Why does Zidane want him out so bad, is it just the Injuries or style of play?

Bale is very much hated by the 100k or so Madrid fans in Spain and the millions in Africa and South America. Mostly because they blame his presence for Ronaldo ultimately leaving. The golf, injuries and language thing are really just excuses. And honestly, I think they do have a point vis a vis Cristiano Ronaldo. Ronny can’t share a stage. He proved that with and without Bale. For fucks sake, the guy was pissed when Bale scored the CL winner against Atletico and didnt celebrate yet he celebrated his 2 goals afterward like he won the WC singlehandedly. All the praise went to ronny. Bale being the world record transfer fee, and then being getting a £600k/wk contract a few years after was too much. Ronny probably made a me or him ultimatum. Zidane chose Ronny. Zidane wanted Bale out so Ronaldo would stay. Then bale scored a worldy against the Scousers. Zidane and Ronaldo left. Bale stayed. Remember, ronaldo did reportedly have disagreements with the board that ultimately lead to his departure...

 

[dg8672]

Please, for once let us do something massive! That's my next 3 weeks of work out the window.....good job I got a new laptop with a shiny new F5 button

Massive? Like breaking our transfer record to bring in one of the best young midfielders in the world, and then nearly doing it again to bring in another?

 

[even steven]

Think you would be lucky to get 10-1 now

I managed to get 50/1 with Betfair a few hours ago. Just checked and its 9/1 there now.

 

[tiger666]

I would like to know what actual Real Madrid fans think of him. Is he really past it? Why does Zidane want him out so bad, is it just the Injuries or style of play?

Like every bunch of fans I assume their opinions vary wildly.

 

[Kingellesar]

Massive? Like breaking our transfer record to bring in one of the best young midfielders in the world, and then nearly doing it again to bring in another?

That was ages ago. We need more

 

[Indisguise]

Here is an update to my post in this Bale thread on 15th May 2019 (page 9, post #178).

Link

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/gareth-bale.136353/page-9#post-6341439

I wrote the following back then:

“So there is a stand-off between Madrid and Bale with Daniel Levy lurking in the wings. Netflix should produce the box set. High stakes poker and soap opera combined. Nobody, but nobody, is simply going to bale Madrid out (pun intended).”
I added at the end:

It’s all about a 3-way split of £600k per week; what pay cut would the player accept and then how much RM and the other (buying) club pay each. The question is will our chairman be prepared to shell out what’s left of Bale’s annual wages after RM and the player have reached a compromise?”

To clarify what I was saying back then, there’s no question of a transfer fee. Never has been. If I take a huge financial liability off your hands (£90 million or so over three years) I don’t pay you for the pleasure of helping you out. You pay me. To illustrate the point, simply as an example;

Gareth Bale, Real Madrid and Spurs agree to an equal 3-way split to try and resolve the situation. So Gareth accepts a compromise 1/3 cut in his salary to ‘only’ £60 million over 3 years. Real Madrid pays ½ of that £60 million and Spurs pay the other ½ of the £60 million (call that £200k per week and a free signing). Now, there are several ways this could be constructed but an equal 3-way split would be the net result. I’m not saying that’s what everybody would agree to. If the split was 10% from Bale, 40% from RM and 50% from Spurs, the figures would change but the basic principle would be the same.

We are now nearing the end game of this box-set saga.

To update, let’s boil it down to four possible scenarios:

1. Bale stays at RM on £30m p.a., sits on the bench and plays golf

2. Bale takes his young family to China and sees out his playing days there (or with the possible twist he later moves to Europe or USA)

3. Bale stays in mainland Europe, probably Bayern or PSG.

4. Bale returns to the PL, probably United or Spurs.

I suspect (with some evidence but no proof) that Bale’s agent and our chairman are “on the same page” if not exactly in cahoots. This is all playing out exactly as they both knew it would several months ago. RM’s position gets sillier and more desperate by the day. RM have finally come to terms with a (heavily) subsidized loan deal being the only way they can shift GB at some kind of acceptable cost. Which is exactly why Barnett knocked that idea on its head yesterday. A loan deal means GB would still ‘belong’ to RM. But he wants ‘out’. If that costs RM even more, why should Bale and Barnett make things easy? They hold, literally, all the legal cards in this game of poker, which is why RM are using every other nasty tactic they can think of.

1. Bale has to be “prepared to stay” at RM. That’s just his legal position and contractual right. To actually say otherwise he’d be shooting himself in the foot. But people and pundits who take the whole ‘play golf’ stance seriously need to get out more.

2. Bale has to be prepared to consider China. Legally, he’s fulfilling his obligation to Madrid to look at all the options.

3. Bale has to be prepared to consider Bayern and PSG. He’s probably giving them serious consideration. But does he want to uproot to another culture, another foreign language, and play in loads of one-sided matches? I don’t see either as his preferred destination. I’m not sure either club wants him or to help Madrid out.

4. Bale would, I’m sure, consider United. Who wouldn’t? But they’re not the attraction they once were and are they in for him? Manchester isn’t Germany or France but it isn’t London either.

IMO, Bale’s preference is London and Spurs. And that’s a shit-show for RM. Because they’d probably rather deal with Satan, or Boris Johnson, than Daniel Levy. They know this time they’re going to be handed their cojones on a plate. Eriksen and Ceballos were simply warm up discussions for the main event.

People forget it’s 2019 not 1979. A Club can’t just ‘sell’ a contracted player and force him to go to any club. Certainly not a high profile multi-millionaire. Bale has to say yes to the terms and, above all, the destination. RM will naturally want him to go the least costly way possible (to them). Gareth will naturally want to go to his favoured destination, regardless of the cost to RM.

Like I said two months ago, ‘high stakes poker and soap opera combined’. Now enter the hero, or villain, depending on your POV. Daniel’s passed the summer focused on Poch’s main targets knowing that this moment would come in time. His target. Why have we stalled on Llorente? Why did Poch say in his press conference he didn’t know about Llorente? Because he wanted to deflect the question. That squad slot is reserved, just in case. Right wing, left wing, reserve striker, combined. Home grown too.

Meanwhile, it’s unfair on GB because he has to keep his mouth shut throughout the saga while all kinds of shit are spouted by Madrid mouthpieces, English journo hacks, Talkshite pundits and angry keyboard warriors. He’s had his reputation trashed and motives slammed by all and sundry entitled to an ‘opinion’.

It was interesting to see his goal ‘celebration’ in RM’s friendly versus Arsenal. Madrid picked him purely for legal reasons (in the event of a future contractual dispute). I suspect he played for similar reasons as well as just to get some pitch time. He certainly didn’t get carried away that he scored.

Time will tell. Not long left now.

I think you should change your username to "minesapan-galactic-gargle-blaster".

 

[ClintEastwould]

Bale is very much hated by the 100k or so Madrid fans in Spain and the millions in Africa and South America. Mostly because they blame his presence for Ronaldo ultimately leaving. The golf, injuries and language thing are really just excuses. And honestly, I think they do have a point vis a vis Cristiano Ronaldo. Ronny can’t share a stage. He proved that with and without Bale. For fucks sake, the guy was pissed when Bale scored the CL winner against Atletico and didnt celebrate yet he celebrated his 2 goals afterward like he won the WC singlehandedly. All the praise went to ronny. Bale being the world record transfer fee, and then being getting a £600k/wk contract a few years after was too much. Ronny probably made a me or him ultimatum. Zidane chose Ronny. Zidane wanted Bale out so Ronaldo would stay. Then bale scored a worldy against the Scousers. Zidane and Ronaldo left. Bale stayed. Remember, ronaldo did reportedly have disagreements with the board that ultimately lead to his departure...

Thanks for the insight and very interesting. Regardless of the politics, how is he as an actual player now?

 

[robp135]

If we are able to keep at least 1 of Eriksen/Alderwrield, complete the signings of Lo Celso & Sessegnon we have a strong squad and would be a special player away from making a genuine title challenge. Bale could be that special player. The difference between a draw and a win away from home. Getting us an extra 5/6 points from games against the other top 6.

 

[carmeldevil]

Bale is very much hated by the 100k or so Madrid fans in Spain and the millions in Africa and South America. Mostly because they blame his presence for Ronaldo ultimately leaving. The golf, injuries and language thing are really just excuses. And honestly, I think they do have a point vis a vis Cristiano Ronaldo. Ronny can’t share a stage. He proved that with and without Bale. For fucks sake, the guy was pissed when Bale scored the CL winner against Atletico and didnt celebrate yet he celebrated his 2 goals afterward like he won the WC singlehandedly. All the praise went to ronny. Bale being the world record transfer fee, and then being getting a £600k/wk contract a few years after was too much. Ronny probably made a me or him ultimatum. Zidane chose Ronny. Zidane wanted Bale out so Ronaldo would stay. Then bale scored a worldy against the Scousers. Zidane and Ronaldo left. Bale stayed. Remember, ronaldo did reportedly have disagreements with the board that ultimately lead to his departure...

Do you write for EastEnders

 

[newbie]

Bale is very much hated by the 100k or so Madrid fans in Spain and the millions in Africa and South America. Mostly because they blame his presence for Ronaldo ultimately leaving. The golf, injuries and language thing are really just excuses. And honestly, I think they do have a point vis a vis Cristiano Ronaldo. Ronny can’t share a stage. He proved that with and without Bale. For fucks sake, the guy was pissed when Bale scored the CL winner against Atletico and didnt celebrate yet he celebrated his 2 goals afterward like he won the WC singlehandedly. All the praise went to ronny. Bale being the world record transfer fee, and then being getting a £600k/wk contract a few years after was too much. Ronny probably made a me or him ultimatum. Zidane chose Ronny. Zidane wanted Bale out so Ronaldo would stay. Then bale scored a worldy against the Scousers. Zidane and Ronaldo left. Bale stayed. Remember, ronaldo did reportedly have disagreements with the board that ultimately lead to his departure...

and what exactly did bale do in his last season when Ronaldo was not there? i worry his to injury prone and wont give us enough. Would he be like going back to an ex-girlfriend ? the short term it is amazing and the sex is great but before to long, it ends badly? do we need to use our heads and not our hearts with Bale?

p.s He was amazing for us but i worry we saw the best bale seasons, yes he does turn up in the big games and make the difference but will he be fit?

 

[BedfordshireSpud]

and what exactly did bale do in his last season when Ronaldo was not there? i worry his to injury prone and wont give us enough. Would he be like going back to an ex-girlfriend ? the short term it is amazing and the sex is great but before to long, it ends badly? do we need to use our heads and not our hearts with Bale?

p.s He was amazing for us but i worry we saw the best bale seasons, yes he does turn up in the big games and make the difference but will he be fit?

Like the sound of your ex-girlfriend by the way.

 

[Khilari]

and what exactly did bale do in his last season when Ronaldo was not there? i worry his to injury prone and wont give us enough. Would he be like going back to an ex-girlfriend ? the short term it is amazing and the sex is great but before to long, it ends badly? do we need to use our heads and not our hearts with Bale?

p.s He was amazing for us but i worry we saw the best bale seasons, yes he does turn up in the big games and make the difference but will he be fit?

42 appearances (2,619 min averaging 62min per match from those 42 games played)
14 goals
7 assists

 

[Kingellesar]

42 appearances (2,619 min averaging 62min per match from those 42 games played)
14 goals
7 assists

In a very out of form Madrid team. They were awful to watch last season.

More of the same please this season

 

[WiganSpur]

and what exactly did bale do in his last season when Ronaldo was not there? i worry his to injury prone and wont give us enough. Would he be like going back to an ex-girlfriend ? the short term it is amazing and the sex is great but before to long, it ends badly? do we need to use our heads and not our hearts with Bale?

p.s He was amazing for us but i worry we saw the best bale seasons, yes he does turn up in the big games and make the difference but will he be fit?

It vastly depends on the financials. Obscene wages with a long contract and it's a definite no for me.

However, his talent is undeniable and there is just about space in the squad for him. If we structure a deal in the right way (no transfer fee, heavily subsidised wages with Bale taking pay cut as well as only a medium term contract) then i'd welcome him back here.

Don't get me wrong, I think he'd like to come back here, but whether he is persistent enough to have interest in only us is another matter. For him to arrive here, it would definitely need him to take some sort of pay cut, but if he isn't willing to do that then other clubs could be a more attractive proposition for him.

 

[Lighty64]

I'm not fussed about Bale but we need to get away from the 'where will he play' mentality. We need to operate on 18 or so players rotating regularly and everybody getting a chance to recharge and recoup. We ran our best XI into the ground last season precisely because we didn't have enough quality options.

it wasn't to do with squad depth, it was a case of our depth was injured, worn out from the WC and a lot of fixtures.

weird thing is the players we are purchasing at the moment means when the next World Cup comes around, we will have even more playing in heat that made Russia seem mild.

myself I would love to see him back, providing it was financially possible. suffer less injuries and I'd hope for some silverware, as we have a pretty reasonable youth set up that if we play a lower league team in either domestic comps we will be able to rest 4-5 players per round. with a strong 18+ it means being able to field a strong XI in CL and still play a strong XI in the fixtures either side.

I would expect us to definitely qualify for a CL spot if we don't win it but might take another season or 2 to catch City. Liverpool will suffer big time with VAR, and might have 1 of their main men struggle the whole season after reaching the final of the AFCON