Gareth Bale

[ravo]

Didn`t read all ten pages, but it wasn`t a dive, watched it a few times, Gibbs clearly trips him, keeper never touched him...

Just to add, Bale in a wandering role is fine by me, as long as Lennon provides the width....

For me, it's no so much about the pen, it's his all-around diving and rolling around that has started to piss me off this season. Yes, he does get targeted and sometimes kicked pretty hard, but he has started to do the rolling around bit that I hate so much.

He is still a massive asset to our team and I don't want him to be sold. You just don't want a player who gets a name for himself as a diver. Refs must start picking up on it too.

 

[pistolP]

And he needs to do more work when we are defending. He seems not to want to track back, tackle or get involve in any defending. A few people in this site have observed this and wanted him to be more involved, helping out Benny when necessary. I wonder sometimes if our managements ever have word with some players about their play.

 

[kaz Hirai]

doesnt bother me the rolling around and diving to be honest, every top team has a slimeball :lol:

and he is targeted like christinao ronaldo was at united

 

[RuskyM]

I don't get what some of you don't understand between not liking a player diving/coming in centrally and ruining our shape, and thinking we want to sell him and try to shoot him in the arse as he leaves. That's the exact hyperbole you're criticizing us for.

 

[StartingPrice]

I don't get what some of you don't understand between not liking a player diving/coming in centrally and ruining our shape, and thinking we want to sell him and try to shoot him in the arse as he leaves. That's the exact hyperbole you're criticizing us for.

I can only speak for myself.
But my problems are these:
Bale was kicked balck and fecking blue last season, with no protection from the referee and, often, not even a free-kick give. I carry with me the sickening sight of Charlie Adam clearly looking down at Bale's ankle, before deliberately stamping down on it - that could have ruined the kid's career :evil:
Referee's will give a free-kick/penalty where the intent is there. I think, where a tackle could potentially be career threatening, a player has a right to get out of the way even if it makes it look like he is diving.
In the anti-Bale furore, this season, I remember, clearly, the Agger incident, where he directs his studs in a stamping movement at Bale's knee, and then pulls back. It looked bad, but would it have been preferrable for Bale to have not done so, even if Agger didn't pull out and Bale's knee-cap was displaced and his career over?
From Sunday, I saw, clearly the Goons defenders having nibbles at Bale's ankle throughout his run - that, in itself should have been a pen, in my opinion. Then Chezny dashed out and would have clattered Bale, without getting anywhere near the ball. Bale got out of the way - if he hadn't, he would have been caught between defenders taking chips out of his ankle, and a goalkeeper intent on clattering him (without getting the ball). It looked theatrical, and I, like everyone else, don't like seeing that. But he had every right to get out of the way.

So, from waht I can remember clearly Bale has been given no fecking protection from refs, and now he is getting out of the way where dangerous tackles are telegraphed or a clattering is inevitible if he doesn't avoid them (and who knows, might not be penalised, even though he is risking a bad injury).

As for the selling him bit, I think that is just a bit of exasperation/a joke - because some Spurs fans seem almost deserate to show how fair-minded they are, that there criticism seems over the top (as it does here).

 

[RuskyM]

I can only speak for myself.
But my problems are these:
Bale was kicked balck and fecking blue last season, with no protection from the referee and, often, not even a free-kick give. I carry with me the sickening sight of Charlie Adam clearly looking down at Bale's ankle, before deliberately stamping down on it - that could have ruined the kid's career :evil:
Referee's will give a free-kick/penalty where the intent is there. I think, where a tackle could potentially be career threatening, a player has a right to get out of the way even if it makes it look like he is diving.
In the anti-Bale furore, this season, I remember, clearly, the Agger incident, where he directs his studs in a stamping movement at Bale's knee, and then pulls back. It looked bad, but would it have been preferrable for Bale to have not done so, even if Agger didn't pull out and Bale's knee-cap was displaced and his career over?
From Sunday, I saw, clearly the Goons defenders having nibbles at Bale's ankle throughout his run - that, in itself should have been a pen, in my opinion. Then Chezny dashed out and would have clattered Bale, without getting anywhere near the ball. Bale got out of the way - if he hadn't, he would have been caught between defenders taking chips out of his ankle, and a goalkeeper intent on clattering him (without getting the ball). It looked theatrical, and I, like everyone else, don't like seeing that. But he had every right to get out of the way.

So, from waht I can remember clearly Bale has been given no fecking protection from refs, and now he is getting out of the way where dangerous tackles are telegraphed or a clattering is inevitible if he doesn't avoid them (and who knows, might not be penalised, even though he is risking a bad injury).

As for the selling him bit, I think that is just a bit of exasperation/a joke - because some Spurs fans seem almost deserate to show how fair-minded they are, that there criticism seems over the top (as it does here).

I understand the diving because of the amount of shit he's had kicked out of him the last few years - that's how I've been defending him before. But against Liverpool, and here, and in many other occasions he's gone down far too easily or has been over theatrical. I hate Barcelona because of this, I don't want Bale to become one of them. Frankly, if you don't want to be hurt, don't be in the Premier League. Tackling is a part of the game, learn to avoid the tackles or prepare for it. Also, out of interest how would you like the referees to protect Bale?

I don't see what's over the top about not liking a player ruining the entire teams layout in a position which he hasn't mastered. And I get it's a joke, but the fact that a lot of people can't seem to respond to genuine points other than stating 'WELL I GUESS YOU WANT US TO BUY RASIAK AND HIRE RAMOS AGAIN' is rather ridiculous.

 

[StartingPrice]

I understand the diving because of the amount of shit he's had kicked out of him the last few years - that's how I've been defending him before. But against Liverpool, and here, and in many other occasions he's gone down far too easily or has been over theatrical. I hate Barcelona because of this, I don't want Bale to become one of them. Frankly, if you don't want to be hurt, don't be in the Premier League. Tackling is a part of the game, learn to avoid the tackles or prepare for it. Also, out of interest how would you like the referees to protect Bale?

I don't see what's over the top about not liking a player ruining the entire teams layout in a position which he hasn't mastered. And I get it's a joke, but the fact that a lot of people can't seem to respond to genuine points other than stating 'WELL I GUESS YOU WANT US TO BUY RASIAK AND HIRE RAMOS AGAIN' is rather ridiculous.

As I said, against Liverpool, Agger made a studs forward stamping motion with his foot, and then withdrew it quickly - Bale had every right to get out of the way. He did it a bit too theatrically. But, there again, if he hadn't, the ref would have done nothing anyway.

On Sunday, he was being fouled before Chezny even came out, Chezny would have clattered him, adn was nowhere near the ball. He went down theatrically. But, there again, if he was being fouled all the way into the box, and then Chezny had the intent to clatter him, and he had just kinda pulled out what would you be saying about him?

What would I like to see in regard to refs protecting him: well, on the dozens of occasions we have all seen him being ridiculously clattered and the ref has done absolutely nothing, I would have liked the refs to give free-kicks and dish-out cards, as per the rules of the game. And where Charlie Adams very clearly looked down at Bale's ankle before stamping on it at a horrible angle in a way that could have ruined the kid's career, i would have liked the FA to have examined the video evidence, gave Adam a lengthy ban, and make it clear that any similar action would be dealt with even more harshly.

I can't say anything about why folk are having making sarcastic comments about wanting to sell him over him being played out of position - which is why i didn't mention it. I did, however, in several threads since Sunday say, myself, get him back in fecking position. 'Arry :bang::bang::bang: - I hope that clarifies my position on that subject :grin:

I just think you, and others are mistaking Bale going down (justified) in a theatrical way (maybe not justified, but the refs ignore it if you just pull out for no clear reason).

I kinda agree that players should man-up and condition themselves to take a challenge. But, really, there is a big difference between a finely honed athlete like Bale, who has never done any real physical labour, and old style footballers who usually started out doing some heavy manual labour. I mean, this kid is at the start of a multi-million pound career - it could be ended in a second, with some of these ridiculous challenges he faces (made worse because the refs don't even penalise some of them).

I'm of the old school and don't like the theatrics and rolling around - but I can understand why players like Bale do it. How many times have we seen a player being virtually assaulted, but staying on his feet, and nothing give, with the comentator saying, or us just feeling, if he had gone down the ref would have given a pen :shrug:

 

[riggi]

That Rugby thing makes me cringe.

Bale pisses me off, mainly because i think he's becoming an arrogant prick just like everyother player. Still support the lad though.

Dont hate tha player, hate tha game yo.

 

[Spurger King]

I did, however, in several threads since Sunday say, myself, get him back in fecking position. 'Arry :bang::bang::bang: - I hope that clarifies my position on that subject :grin:

:lol:

He cheated, or acted, or dived theatrically, or whatever people want to call it. He's done it before and he'll probably continue to do it.

I don't like seeing our players act that way (literally), but I'm sure he has his reasons. Maybe he's seen plenty of others get away with it and thinks to himself "fuck it..I'll do it too." Maybe he's been encouraged by a current or former coach.

He actually comes across as a typical United player.

 

[StartingPrice]

:lol:

He cheated, or acted, or dived theatrically, or whatever people want to call it. He's done it before and he'll probably continue to do it.

I don't like seeing our players act that way (literally), but I'm sure he has his reasons. Maybe he's seen plenty of others get away with it and thinks to himself "fuck it..I'll do it too." Maybe he's been encouraged by a current or former coach.

He actually comes across as a typical United player.

I think that might be part of it...I mean, what is the point of quietly getting kicked fecking senseless, if you ain't even getting free-kicks.

I hope he doesn't sound like a typical United player...your penchant for prophesy has reaachedmy ears mg:mg:mg:

 

[Spurger King]

I think that might be part of it...I mean, what is the point of quietly getting kicked fecking senseless, if you ain't even getting free-kicks.

I hope he doesn't sound like a typical United player...your penchant for prophesy has reaachedmy ears mg:mg:mg:

I think most players exaggerate or 'act' to an extent when they get tackled. Just look at players like Parker...when a tackle goes in he usually looks as if he's caught his nuts in a shredder.

I just don't think most Spurs players are quite as quick to drop to the ground in apparent agony in the way Bale does.

That certainly doesn't mean I don't want him playing for our club.

 

[StartingPrice]

I think most players exaggerate or 'act' to an extent when they get tackled. Just look at players like Parker...when a tackle goes in he usually looks as if he's caught his nuts in a shredder.

I just don't think most Spurs players are quite as quick to drop to the ground in apparent agony in the way Bale does.

That certainly doesn't mean I don't want him playing for our club.

Yeah...I mean...look at Wayne Rooney in the 'Shrek' franchise :grin:

 

[ravo]

That Rugby thing makes me cringe.

Bale pisses me off, mainly because i think he's becoming an arrogant prick just like everyother player. Still support the lad though.

Dont hate tha player, hate tha game yo.

Perhaps it's because he is so level headed (more so than most, except BAE ), that we don't want to see him change and become a prima donna.

We still love him!

 

[ravo]

I think most players exaggerate or 'act' to an extent when they get tackled. Just look at players like Parker...when a tackle goes in he usually looks as if he's caught his nuts in a shredder.

I just don't think most Spurs players are quite as quick to drop to the ground in apparent agony in the way Bale does.

That certainly doesn't mean I don't want him playing for our club.

Also, in football, it might sound silly, but sometimes getting clattered comes as quite a surprise. It's not something you expect, like in rugby. I've played both for many years (and at very average levels) and I found that in rugby, I expected to get smashed with the pill in hand.

In football, you don't always expect someone to come flying in at you (as most would try and jocky you) when you push the ball past them. So, I guess this could be part of the reason for the look of surprise on some players faces when they get clattered. People react in different ways.

But it DOESN'T mean that you call roll around like a pig in shit!

 

[riggi]

Perhaps it's because he is so level headed (more so than most, except BAE ), that we don't want to see him change and become a prima donna.

We still love him!

uh huh.........na he's just a **** :lol:

 

[wooderz]

Also, in football, it might sound silly, but sometimes getting clattered comes as quite a surprise. It's not something you expect, like in rugby. I've played both for many years (and at very average levels) and I found that in rugby, I expected to get smashed with the pill in hand.

In football, you don't always expect someone to come flying in at you (as most would try and jocky you) when you push the ball past them. So, I guess this could be part of the reason for the look of surprise on some players faces when they get clattered. People react in different ways.

But it DOESN'T mean that you call roll around like a pig in shit!

Haha I love that look, you played in the SC game with me so you might have seen my 10 metre lunge, the guys face was a picture..was the epitome of "forwards tackle"!

Won the ball though :snooty: