Gazza - new pics - Not good.

[TheChosenOne]

Just seen some pics on Sky news that are going into print tomorrow morning.

Looking really bad/sad and downward.

Beyond help now. Hurts to see.

 

[Spurger King]

There's always an option. He just needs someone to point it out.

Cut down on the drink and the world is his oyster.A very tough ask but I'm not giving up on him.

 

[yankspurs]

There's always an option. He just needs someone to point it out.

Cut down on the drink and the world is his oyster.A very tough ask but I'm not giving up on him.

Hopefully someone can get through to him soon. He clearly needs help.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Difficult to imagine someone who's had more opportunity, help & support to get over what afflicts a great many people ... people who don't have the privileges & opprtunities he's afforded to beat wgatever demon is eating him

No respect left for the man, sorry. Good wishes, sure, but respect I've lost

 

[Damian99]

Difficult to imagine someone who's had more opportunity, help & support to get over what afflicts a great many people ... people who don't have the privileges & opprtunities he's afforded to beat wgatever demon is eating him

No respect left for the man, sorry. Good wishes, sure, but respect I've lost

Quite agree, its still very sad none the less. Its very hard to have any more sympathy left for him and cannot see how anyone is going to help him now, though that doesn't mean people should give up on him - but as you say, he's had much more help and support than your average man/woman would get.

 

[tototoner]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CebQF6YWIAIE18z.jpg:large

 

[Hazelton]

What's new? You just can't help some people.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

I actually thought he looked better and younger in that pic (other than the fact he's obviously had an accident).

 

[tototoner]

I actually thought he looked better and younger in that pic (other than the fact he's obviously had an accident).

Yeap his face looks a lot fuller

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

My dad was a dreadful alcoholic but he gave up in the end.
Not sure what got through to him to make him stop but it's been about 4 years now.

I always get annoyed when people call it a disease or an illness. I think that's enormously disrespectful to people who have things wrong with them that they didn't ask for and in lots of cases, have no treatment for.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

My dad was a dreadful alcoholic but he gave up in the end.
Not sure what got through to him to make him stop but it's been about 4 years now.

I always get annoyed when people call it a disease or an illness. I think that's enormously disrespectful to people who have things wrong with them that they didn't ask for and in lots of cases, have no treatment for.

My dad died from alcoholism a few years back and I agree with you. At the end of the day he just couldn't say no.....a real lack of self control and boredom, and now my kids have no grand dad because of his selfish desire to get blattered all the time.

 

[Col_M]

Sad but you can count on these Gazza threads as much as you can count on @CosmicHotspur to remind us of the Clock Change.

 

[mark87]

Sad but you can count on these Gazza threads as much as you can count on @CosmicHotspur to remind us of the Clock Change.

Which is tomorrow incase you've forgotten

 

[danielneeds]

Yeah he doesn't look that much worse than in the last few years, apart from obviously having got into some sort of scrape with his face.

Another example of the Sun and their pathetic opportunistic people destroying ways.

 

[tttcowan]

Firstly, other than him being in some kind of accident does anyone know if he's actually off the wagon? He looks a lot more healthy in that photo and has done for a while now. Everything pointed to the fact he turned a corner a while ago.

Secondly, all those people who are judging, showing a lack of respect, critercising etc. Fuck you. He's done more in his life than anyone on here and dealt with more than most. I suspect the ones showing a complete lack of empathy for his afflictions probably have boring desk jobs born into middle class England and the hardest thing they've ever had to deal with is losing a grandparent. You've got no idea what other people have had to deal so try not sound like dumb fucks when jumping on the nearest media driven band wagon tutting over a your Sunday papers. Alcoholism is a disease born out of mental health problems. Yes it's all been very sad but frankly we've got fuck all right to assign blame for something you just don't know anything about.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Firstly, other than him being in some kind of accident does anyone know if he's actually off the wagon? He looks a lot more healthy in that photo and has done for a while now. Everything pointed to the fact he turned a corner a while ago.

Secondly, all those people who are judging, showing a lack of respect, critercising etc. Fuck you. He's done more in his life than anyone on here and dealt with more than most. I suspect the ones showing a complete lack of empathy for his afflictions probably have boring desk jobs born into middle class England and the hardest thing they've ever had to deal with is losing a grandparent. You've got no idea what other people have had to deal so try not sound like dumb fucks when jumping on the nearest media driven band wagon tutting over a your Sunday papers. Alcoholism is a disease born out of mental health problems. Yes it's all been very sad but frankly we've got fuck all right to assign blame for something you just don't know anything about.

Mabbut's quoted in the articles saying he's fallen off the wagon

 

[tttcowan]

Mabbut's quoted in the articles saying he's fallen off the wagon

Well that is sad news.

 

[CosmicHotspur]

There but for the grace of whatever you believe in...

 

[johnbowel]

Firstly, other than him being in some kind of accident does anyone know if he's actually off the wagon? He looks a lot more healthy in that photo and has done for a while now. Everything pointed to the fact he turned a corner a while ago.

Secondly, all those people who are judging, showing a lack of respect, critercising etc. Fuck you. He's done more in his life than anyone on here and dealt with more than most. I suspect the ones showing a complete lack of empathy for his afflictions probably have boring desk jobs born into middle class England and the hardest thing they've ever had to deal with is losing a grandparent. You've got no idea what other people have had to deal so try not sound like dumb fucks when jumping on the nearest media driven band wagon tutting over a your Sunday papers. Alcoholism is a disease born out of mental health problems. Yes it's all been very sad but frankly we've got fuck all right to assign blame for something you just don't know anything about.

I'm (first gen) middle class. My dad is a recovering alcoholic. The people I come across who are most understanding about alcoholism are educated middle class people. The people who are the most judgemental and least understanding re mental health are the working classes or older people/dinosaurs in general. I doubt Paul Gascoigne's friends and family in Newcastle would have been terrible receptive to the idea of drinking being a disease. I have no particular affiliation, and not that it matters but it's best not to generalise or analyse in terms of these things because the results are rarely palatable to those that do.

The line between mental health and personality trait is extremely blurred. I think there's a genetic marker that predisposes toward specific addictive behaviour. There are different types of alcoholics as there are people.. there are mental health components, life components but then there are also stupid, selfish traits that exacerbate alcoholics as well. I have met a great many recovering alcoholics, for instance, and almost to a man they will lecture you on life lessons that only they need, and you can see that although they stopped drinking, the real problem remains unchecked - they have that kind of need for a guru, that brings about the same behaviour in them. Cults and pseudo-spiritual groups are full of them.

Anyway, I'm not taking a side; rather, the opposite - I just think it's just as reductionist to lump everything into being a disease as it is scapegoating and blaming people with mental health issues resulting in alcoholism, and actually serves to exempt people from taking responsibility for their actions - such as beating wives, abusing and neglecting children.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The guy has mental health issues (diagnosed bipolar I believe), along with being poorly educated and then slung into the football goldfish bowel as one of it's biggest names and earners with all the hangers on and bollocks that that entailed. It was a catastrophic combination.

If he'd have been diagnosed sooner he may have been able to get better help and manage it better but by that time his life was already pretty fucked up and he was an alcoholic.

Nature and nurture just did not equip Gascoigne with the faculties to cope with life very well, let alone being a footballing superstar with all the emotional highs and lows of that world.