Gds

[Pringle]

Brett - as you say, he plays in a position in a system we dont play. so what do you want us to do? change our system for him? or play him out of position?

 

[tobi]

In this regime, if training was important then many things would be different.

 

[Cravenspurs]

Gio doesn't play the VDV role for Mexico. He played the Pedro, Villa role for Barca. He would be an ideal replacement for Lennon when it comes to the cup games. The hype he came in with has soured many due to his lack of success. According to Wiki he has had 10 appearances for our club and those weren't all starts. We need to believe in the kid since he is part of our 25 man squad and lord knows we will use most since injuries seem to creep up on us all the time. COYS!

 

[Pringle]

In this regime, if training was important then many things would be different.

Care to elaborate? Seems to me that you have a different opinion to that of HR and so are using this as an excuse. Please provide any information to back up your point

 

[karennina]

To you, perhaps.

Being consistently outshone by Fraizer Campbell in his first season isn't the greatest recommendation. He had a nice little cameo against City, looked good against lower-league opposition in a couple of cup games, otherwise mediocre at best, for Juanque as much as Harry.

He was poor for Gala, in a weak league in which he should theoretically have impressed, did OK in the Championship and presumably at Racing. Not that great a CV, to be honest.

Why should Harry cut him some slack?

A record since the turn of the year of 5 goals and 2 assists in 15 for Racing, and 5 goals in 15 for Mexico, presumably playing as a wide rather than central forward, along with the confirmed interest from Sevilla that they provoked, suggest that he's in the form of his life.

They also suggest that he does have something to offer us - more league goals at a better goals-per-game ratio in a top league in 2011 than JD for instance - now that we're stuck with him. Although clearly they wouldn't constitute a basis for signing someone in the first place.

So if you believe there's something there, which is pretty impossible to dismiss out of hand on his 2011 record without having watched him for Racing, that we're weak up front or in other places where this ability could potentially help us, and that the cutting of slack is neccessary to access this performance, then the rationale for cutting it would simply be to help the team. :shrug:

I'm not claiming as a fact that he can help us, just that it's impossible to make a particularly strong case that he can't. At the very least it's a reasonable possibility. Personally I'd rather see Krancjar played behind a front man, but maybe Gio can play all the way up top in a 2. Who knows for sure if he can play on the right in a 442 ? That'd be where we really needed him .

 

[Pringle]

A record since the turn of the year of 5 goals and 2 assists in 15 for Racing, and 5 goals in 15 for Mexico, presumably playing as a wide rather than central forward, along with the confirmed interest from Sevilla that they provoked, suggest that he's in the form of his life.

They also suggest that he does have something to offer us - more league goals at a better goals-per-game ratio in a top league in 2011 than JD for instance - now that we're stuck with him. Although clearly they wouldn't constitute a basis for signing someone in the first place.

So if you believe there's something there, which is pretty impossible to dismiss out of hand on his 2011 record without having watched him for Racing, that we're weak up front or in other places where this ability could potentially help us, and that the cutting of slack is neccessary to access this performance, then the rationale for cutting it would simply be to help the team. :shrug:

I'm not claiming as a fact that he can help us, just that it's impossible to make a particularly strong case that he can't. At the very least it's a reasonable possibility. Personally I'd rather see Krancjar played behind a front man, but maybe Gio can play all the way up top in a 2. Who knows for sure if he can play on the right in a 442 ? That'd be where we really needed him .

Decent enough stats to be fair, however football is about far more than stats. 5 in 15 for Mexico is good, but who were they against ? None in last years WC, none in this years Copa America - seems he scores his goals against weaker opposition ie in the Gold Cup (much like a certain P Crouch). Also his stats for Racing look decent - but why didnt they come back in for him? Why didnt they try and buy him or extend his loan? He is clearly available (no squad number and not featured this season) yet no1 has taken him from us. I remember posting about him a few weeks back and the GDS lovers said to me to come back at the end of the window and the fact he would have been snapped up by a top club like Sevilla (i was told Monchi was a great DOF and if he signed him then he must be good) - well im back folks, Monchi clearly didnt rate him enough to sign him and GDS is in no mans land.

edit - just checked and his goals for Mexico came against - Costa Rica, Cuba, Venezuela, USA, Haiti!

 

[ohh Teddy Teddy]

I suppose if he actually turned up to training now and then instead of hitting the clubs, he woulda been given a chance. He has potential, thats clear, but his attitude stinks tbh

 

[Babylon22]

I suppose if he actually turned up to training now and then instead of hitting the clubs, he woulda been given a chance. He has potential, thats clear, but his attitude stinks tbh

Have you got any recent evidence to back up those statements?

 

[karennina]

Decent enough stats to be fair, however football is about far more than stats. 5 in 15 for Mexico is good, but who were they against? None in last years WC, none in this years Copa America - seems he scores his goals against weaker opposition ie in the Gold Cup (much like a certain P Crouch). Also his stats for Racing look decent - but why didnt they come back in for him? Why didnt they try and buy him or extend his loan? He is clearly available (no squad number and not featured this season) yet no1 has taken him from us. I remember posting about him a few weeks back and the GDS lovers said to me to come back at the end of the window and the fact he would have been snapped up by a top club like Sevilla (i was told Monchi was a great DOF and if he signed him then he must be good) - well im back folks, Monchi clearly didnt rate him enough to sign him and GDS is in no mans land.

Del Nido said they wanted him on loan, with an option to buy, whereas we wanted a straight up sale this summer, which they couldn't agree to. That seems quite a clear indication of how they rated his ability and potential.

As i said, my case isn't that he's going to help our season, or even that he definitely has the potential to, just that without having watched him for Racing, it's pretty impossible to deny that these are reasonable possibilities.

The bare facts of that record fit with an argument that he should be given chances, without going all the way to proving it. They're also insurmountable obstacles for anyone trying to dismiss out of hand GDS's potential value to our season. Looked at another way, there's also not enough there to prove Redknapp incompetent if he doesn't play him.

I think a big part of him still being here is that he's on a 5 year deal, and we were holding out for a high price because we still have two years to get one in. Peversely, that both indicates some confidence that he will play his way into a move, and gives the most conclusive reason that Harry will give him chances whether he really wants to or not.

Racing came 12th in La Liga last season - maybe they just couldn't afford to pay Levy prices but could afford the loan fee?

 

[tobi]

Care to elaborate? Seems to me that you have a different opinion to that of HR and so are using this as an excuse. Please provide any information to back up your point

If training was important then the manager and his coaches would see what others see and work towards eradicating the mistakes etc in training.

For example, anyone that pays attention to the details and player attributes would know that on the occasion that Bale beats his man, he likes to put early and usually low crosses into the box. All the strikers have worked with him for at least two years yet they still fail to anticipate this. Why?

I wonder how long it'll take Adebayor to recognise this.

There's also the issue with the players not understanding how important a near post run can be. Some may say that's Les Ferdinand's job, well clearly he is failing and the manager should address this. Also saying that the strikers aren't good enough isn't the answer to the questions because if I can anticipate what Bale is going to do in the appropriate situations then those professionals on the pitch should too.

How about doing some work in training to make us less predictable?

 

[rabbikeane]

1 - he was runner up in the U17 WC player of the tournament
2 - he was runner up in the WC young player of the tournament
3 - he scored a hat trick for Barca against a poor team (equivalent to Wigan)
4 - he played well in the Gold Cup (the tournament with Costa Rica, Canada, Brazil reserves etc)

Thats the reasons you ll be given - but lets be honest, thats all hes ever done. Doesnt deserve the reputation he has tbh.

1 - At U17 runner up behind Anderson (Man Utd), above Nuri Sahin (Real Madrid). 3rd at U20, behind Kun Aguero (Man City) and another argentinian.

2 - Behind Thomas Muller (Bayern Munich), nominated along with Andre Ayew (Marseille)

4 - MVP / Player of the Tournament, at the age of 20

The players he was ranked on level with at youth level are very much among the top players in world football these days.
While Giovani apparently isn't good enough for Tottenham's bench or second team.

Most mexicans I talk to rate him as their best player,
ahead of a certain United striker.

 

[kaz Hirai]

there's an obvious high technical talent there, even the biggest skeptic would see that. He could be outstanding but whether he will ever fulfill the potential is another question, he should talk to david bentley :wink:

 

[steventhfc]

HR said on 5live last night after he left the lodge that its "up to the likes of Dos Santos to step up now and prove their worth"

So he does have a future here.

 

[SelbYido]

I've never been one of those people who insists Gio has been "treated badly" or should have been played on the strength of his international displays but now the dust has settled on the window, I hope he will show us what he's made of. Like eveyone else I expected him to be gone by now but he's in the 25 & with the schedule we'll have on 4 fronts I reckon he'll get plenty of chances this season. If he can translate his undoubted talent into good performances then it'll be like a new signing. Basically, its up to him now...

 

[karennina]

Basically, its up to him now...

well, and harry, one way or another, whether it's the cutting of slack or the kicking up the arse. i agree it's overwhelmingly gio's thing, but harry isn't meant to be a helpless newborn babe in the wood watching players perform well or badly as they please around him, much though he likes to project that balance of responsibility

 

[phil]

Gio doesn't play the VDV role for Mexico. He played the Pedro, Villa role for Barca. He would be an ideal replacement for Lennon when it comes to the cup games. The hype he came in with has soured many due to his lack of success. According to Wiki he has had 10 appearances for our club and those weren't all starts. We need to believe in the kid since he is part of our 25 man squad and lord knows we will use most since injuries seem to creep up on us all the time. COYS!

Actually 20 if you include Europe and cups. Remember he did play in the CL last season away at Young Boys (he was good for the first 10 minutes) and in the league cup defeat against Arsenal (where he was awful).

He is only still with us because of circumstances. He wanted to go to Spain and Harry clearly doesn't want him around. It was probably the bad feeling between Del Nido and Levy that prevented a deal with Sevilla.

Whether he can persuade Harry to give him another chance is up to him. I have my doubts. It wouldn't surprise me if he was loaned out to a Championship side.

 

[onthetwo]

wasnt the problem that he never tracked back to help out his full-back? Maybe if he plays in a front 3 he doesnt have to do that.

 

[Rabbi_Krustofski]

Gio and Adebayor is a potential world class pairing.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Gio and Adebayor is a potential world class pairing.

That is potentially the world's biggest pipe dream based on the square root of not a lot.

 

[Spurger King]

I doubt Gio will be given another chance with us. He does look like there is a lot of talent there, and he's the kind of player I can see doing brilliantly for another team, but as long as Harry is manager, I just don't see Gio getting a game.