GIO deserves another chance

[dlnd1971]

Nonsense u aint got a clue son, he started well for spurs then got injured plus i know 3 of the current first team squad who state that GDS IS ONE OF THE MOST SKILL PLAYERS THEY HAVE PLAYED WITH. Easy to blame the player, we will just stick with the inept crouch then or sign eto and forlan.

 

[rich75]

Nonsense u aint got a clue son, he started well for spurs then got injured plus i know 3 of the current first team squad who state that GDS IS ONE OF THE MOST SKILL PLAYERS THEY HAVE PLAYED WITH. Easy to blame the player, we will just stick with the inept crouch then or sign eto and forlan.

Pray tell..

 

[dlnd1971]

ur so right mate players do need to prove it but that is sometimes difficult in the championship, its a tough league. id rather we blood our youngsters in the carling cup and europa league

 

[dlnd1971]

im not gonna go into detail son but as i said i know 3 players, one first teamer and 2 squad players

 

[StartingPrice]

The one picture I recall was from the club Christmas party years ago, King has been pictured plastered more than that yet doesn't seem to receive such criticism from fans or disdain from Redknapp for it. Must be something more going on with Gio but there is no real prrof that it is a lack of effort in training, you only have to look at Redknapp's treatment of Kranjcar to see that sometimes h justt makes up his mind and refuses to budge.

1) I pointed out that he had been pictured, on one notorious occasion, plastered, to a poster other than yourself who claimed there was no evidence. I never mentioned Ledley King (he gets a pass on account of his dodgy knees preventing him from every fulfilling his World Class ability - and was onlky ever pictured in an inebriated state after going throught this for several years). Dismiss Redknapp's statement's about GDS not being able to pass a bar if you want - it just shows your anti-Redknapp bias.

2) I don't (amazingly) agree with your assessment of the Krankjar assessment at all. He brought the player twice. He still talks frequently about hwo fantastic he is, and how great a lad. The simple truth, however, is that Krankjar turned up a the start of the season out of shape, he has no pace, is vying for a starting role with superior players, he is not very good on the defensive side of his game, and he cannot be relied upon, in the sense that he is as likely to come on when we really need him and be totally anonymous (the ones you don't remember), as he is to be a match-winner (the ones you do).

3) I think you are right - sometimes Redknapp does just make his mind up and refuses to budge. That doesn't mean he has done this with these players, and it doesn't mean that sometimes, when he does it, he is wrong.

And, again for the record, the hilarious thing is I like Krankjar and believe Dos Santos has genuine potential but just because I won't join in the mytho-inpetitude of Redknapp, I'm somehow a sycophant to Redknapp (who I criticize when I feel he warrants criticism).

 

[RobinLeonard]

Gio has potential and in different dimension there is probably a Tottenham team where he turned out to be the signing of the century.

However in this reality we are left with a player that the manager simply does not trust and won't use. This player can be sold thus freeing up funds and a place in the squad for someone else. This player should also prove easy to sell since he is young and a very talented player.

We need to sell players, Gio should and will be one of the first to move.

Threads like these should be about Kranjcar.

 

[Pringle]

so you had a pop at harry for not fielding youngsters then made this comment..................

id rather we blood our youngsters in the carling cup and europa league

are you being serious????

 

[mike_l]

1) I pointed out that he had been pictured, on one notorious occasion, plastered, to a poster other than yourself who claimed there was no evidence. I never mentioned Ledley King (he gets a pass on account of his dodgy knees preventing him from every fulfilling his World Class ability - and was onlky ever pictured in an inebriated state after going throught this for several years). Dismiss Redknapp's statement's about GDS not being able to pass a bar if you want - it just shows your anti-Redknapp bias.

2) I don't (amazingly) agree with your assessment of the Krankjar assessment at all. He brought the player twice. He still talks frequently about hwo fantastic he is, and how great a lad. The simple truth, however, is that Krankjar turned up a the start of the season out of shape, he has no pace, is vying for a starting role with superior players, he is not very good on the defensive side of his game, and he cannot be relied upon, in the sense that he is as likely to come on when we really need him and be totally anonymous (the ones you don't remember), as he is to be a match-winner (the ones you do).

3) I think you are right - sometimes Redknapp does just make his mind up and refuses to budge. That doesn't mean he has done this with these players, and it doesn't mean that sometimes, when he does it, he is wrong.

And, again for the record, the hilarious thing is I like Krankjar and believe Dos Santos has genuine potential but just because I won't join in the mytho-inpetitude of Redknapp, I'm somehow a sycophant to Redknapp (who I criticize when I feel he warrants criticism).

I think you might have me mixed up with omeone else, I don't see my post as particularly anti-Redknapp, in response to a post about us never giving young players a chance I countered that claim with evidence of players having goten a chance and valid reasons why others haven't, that is in defence of Redknapp.

My point aout the Gio picture, you used the fact that we have all seen him plastered as suport of the notion that he his social life is a problem which may be holding him back, it is prety valid IMO to point out that we only haveone picture of this and said picture is very old. My point about King was made to show that we have other players who have been pictured out in similar states and more frequently yet they are still utilised regularly in the team. This would suggest to me that either Gio is an expert at hiding his drinking problem or Redknapp has some other issue with him.

I brought up Kranjcar to highlight that Redknapp has also shown form for ostracising players for a varity of reasons, you're right that Niko came back out of shape, but later in the season he was back in shape and still not used eeven when our midfield was begging to be freshened up some.

I reckon there is a decent chance that Redknapp has simply taken a disliking to Gio (the player, not necessarily personally), wouldn't be the first manager to do so to a player even to the potential detriment of a side.

 

[C0YS]

Rose has practically made it.

The drunk rumours come from this

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6246528,00.html

Also galatasaray passed on buying Dos Santos from us for a reason.

Taarabt will not make it for a club of our level until he buckles down and learns how to pass. QPR have based the whole team around him. He simply isn't good enough to base a whole team around if he where at this club.

But most importantly the thread right bellow this one, at time of writing is about the very same thing.

 

[StartingPrice]

I think you might have me mixed up with omeone else, I don't see my post as particularly anti-Redknapp, in response to a post about us never giving young players a chance I countered that claim with evidence of players having goten a chance and valid reasons why others haven't, that is in defence of Redknapp.

My point aout the Gio picture, you used the fact that we have all seen him plastered as suport of the notion that he his social life is a problem which may be holding him back, it is prety valid IMO to point out that we only haveone picture of this and said picture is very old. My point about King was made to show that we have other players who have been pictured out in similar states and more frequently yet they are still utilised regularly in the team. This would suggest to me that either Gio is an expert at hiding his drinking problem or Redknapp has some other issue with him.

I brought up Kranjcar to highlight that Redknapp has also shown form for ostracising players for a varity of reasons, you're right that Niko came back out of shape, but later in the season he was back in shape and still not used eeven when our midfield was begging to be freshened up some.

I reckon there is a decent chance that Redknapp has simply taken a disliking to Gio (the player, not necessarily personally), wouldn't be the first manager to do so to a player even to the potential detriment of a side.

I think I conflated your post with the OP.
My point about the picture of GDS, I reapeat, was specifically to counter a clima that there was no proof. That is all. The fact that we have this, and stories of him disappearing over to Barcelona on nightclubbing expeditions, and references made by Redknapp to his inability to pass a nightclub (which would make it a regular and ongoing issue), and that Redknapp also made a not very thinly veiled reference to him turning up for training late, plus the fact that his parents basically sat in Redknapp's office and apologised for their son's behaviour, lead me to the conclusion that, in this instance, they is so much smoke that, surely, therre must be fire.
I answered your comparison with Ledley, once - I will do so again: There has never, ever been any suggestion that Ledley King has ever missed training or been late for training or failed to perform effectively in traingingdue to an alcohol problem; he has always (ALWAYS) performed to an incredibly high level when played - thus making any connection with alcohol somewhat mute in this instance; insofar as I can remember, any suggestion of public inebriation has occurred during his lengthy injury lay-offs; he has, if I remember correctly, disappointed the manager on account of his drinking - who promised to 'ave a word.

In regard to Krankjar, as I said, whether I felt at times that he should have bene the player to bring on is irrelevant, he could be a match-winner or a total non-entity when he came on, and Redknapp, who has brought and managed him twice, and clearly likes the man, jsut doesn't feel that he can trust him (he also has minimal defensive skill, limiting his usefullness).

It is possible that you are right, that Redknapp has just taken a dislike to GDS - Brian Clough once famously brough Justin Fashenu (sp?) for a, then, monster, fee, and then left him to train with the reserves and totally refused to have anything to do with him.

 

[rich75]

im not gonna go into detail son but as i said i know 3 players, one first teamer and 2 squad players

Course you do , son

 

[mike_l]

I think I conflated your post with the OP.
My point about the picture of GDS, I reapeat, was specifically to counter a clima that there was no proof. That is all. The fact that we have this, and stories of him disappearing over to Barcelona on nightclubbing expeditions, and references made by Redknapp to his inability to pass a nightclub (which would make it a regular and ongoing issue), and that Redknapp also made a not very thinly veiled reference to him turning up for training late, plus the fact that his parents basically sat in Redknapp's office and apologised for their son's behaviour, lead me to the conclusion that, in this instance, they is so much smoke that, surely, therre must be fire.
I answered your comparison with Ledley, once - I will do so again: There has never, ever been any suggestion that Ledley King has ever missed training or been late for training or failed to perform effectively in traingingdue to an alcohol problem; he has always (ALWAYS) performed to an incredibly high level when played - thus making any connection with alcohol somewhat mute in this instance; insofar as I can remember, any suggestion of public inebriation has occurred during his lengthy injury lay-offs; he has, if I remember correctly, disappointed the manager on account of his drinking - who promised to 'ave a word.

In regard to Krankjar, as I said, whether I felt at times that he should have bene the player to bring on is irrelevant, he could be a match-winner or a total non-entity when he came on, and Redknapp, who has brought and managed him twice, and clearly likes the man, jsut doesn't feel that he can trust him (he also has minimal defensive skill, limiting his usefullness).

It is possible that you are right, that Redknapp has just taken a dislike to GDS - Brian Clough once famously brough Justin Fashenu (sp?) for a, then, monster, fee, and then left him to train with the reserves and totally refused to have anything to do with him.

I'm not looking to get into a debate over whether Gio is a drunk or not/deserves to be in our 1st team squad or not.

I do feel however that his reputation could be blown out of proportion, the evidence seems to consist of:

Redknapp's musings - we all know he is a shameless self promotor, he will say pretty much any old bollocks to ensure that he comes out of a situation smelling of roses. I could see a situation whereby he would rather just blame Gio's extra curricular habits for his failure to make it at Spurs, rather than admit his own shortcomings with regards to squad rotation.

ITK - such a wide range of possibilities here, how much of info conveyed is fact/personal opinion? Is the info first or second hand? Is the provider a WUM or being WUMmed themselves?

1 Picture - from the club Christmas party I believe, this does not an alcoholic make. For all we know, and as highly unlikely as it is, this could be the only occasion Gio has ever touched alcohol, which would account for the sorry state he left in.

Now I see what you are saying about no smoke without fire, but it's not impossible that there is simply a perfect storm of heresay around Gio which has led to this reputation he has.

To reiterate, I'm not claiming for one second that all the stories about Gio are fabrications, just that I believe this reputaution he has garnered seems to be disproportionate to the actual facts and shouldn't be used as a cast iron case in defence of him never getting a proper run.

 

[mike_l]

In regard to Krankjar, as I said, whether I felt at times that he should have bene the player to bring on is irrelevant, he could be a match-winner or a total non-entity when he came on, and Redknapp, who has brought and managed him twice, and clearly likes the man, jsut doesn't feel that he can trust him (he also has minimal defensive skill, limiting his usefullness).

I think this is a big problem with Redknapp, if he goes off a player it seems difficult for them to win his trust back. I think this can be detrimental to the side, as he ends up burning out the players he does trust. His trust seems to be easily lost and difficult to gain, a few occasions have arisen where he has been forced to use players such as Bale breaking into the side and Modric finding his way into the centre. Both players ended up in their current positions due to "luck".

Luck isn't something I want Spurs to be banking on and I do worry that we are on the verge of getting rid of a couple of very useful players at knock down fees as a result of Redknapp being too stubborn to just use his squad a bit more wisely.

Just 2 years ago Kranjcar was a regular in the side and Bale didn't have Redknapp's trust, had it not been for pure circumstance we could be on the verge of letting Bale go for a couple of million.

 

[Spurger King]

I think Gio has the talent, but he's really never been given much of a chance at Spurs. Personally I think it's a combination of Harry being stubborn, and Gio having a bit of an attitude problem. Perhaps they are related...perhaps it's just a bad clash of personalities.

I'd love to seem him given a proper chance with us, as I think that he's capable of doing brilliantly if playing with confidence in a team full of good players. It's a pointless argument though as he'll be off soon anyway.

 

[fortworthspur]

half our squad have been in the papers drunk. Ledley cant even remember where he put his passport.

its a shame, 'cause I think Gio is going to be good. It appears he wants out and Harry doesnt seem to be inclined to keep him.

 

[sim0n]

LISTEN if u think Gio has social problems u gotta stop reading the papers. If u think harry is some sort of messiah then thats up to you too, I am sick of young players not getting a chance.
Rose
Bostock
Kane
Gio
All players with potential, Harry needs to sort his shit out

This thread is not my favourite subject, but here's a question:

Which top 5 club would have any of these players listed above crack the line up?

:shrug: Methinks they would have about the same amount of playing time at manUre, chel$ki, @rse, and citeh... :think:

This thread appears to be much ado about nothing IMHO...

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Ledley is always plastered in faces and my point is just because a player goes out from time to time that has nothing to do with ability, its up to the manager to motivate him.

But every time Ledley still comes in and plays great. At the end of the day the most important thing is how you perform on the pitch and to be honest GDS has done very very little when he has played for us. We don't know how he performs in training either, but there will be a reason that he isn't involved. Let's be honest, if you are on the fringes of the squad it's usually the case that you have to work twice as hard to break into the team and then perform well to earn the spot.

Of course we all like to see young players coming through, but they should only be there if they are good enough and have earned the right to play.

 

[The Apprentice]

He's been given sporadic chances and then shipped back out on loan. Shame we've never given him a run up front rather than carted out to right wing every time he plays. He was hardly going to shine at Ipswich under Keane's suffocating tactics.

Not a dig at Harry, but I always get the feeling that Sir Alex would have made something out of Gio. Harry lacks the subtleness to coax talent out of difficult characters.

 

[The Apprentice]

But every time Ledley still comes in and plays great. At the end of the day the most important thing is how you perform on the pitch and to be honest GDS has done very very little when he has played for us. We don't know how he performs in training either, but there will be a reason that he isn't involved. Let's be honest, if you are on the fringes of the squad it's usually the case that you have to work twice as hard to break into the team and then perform well to earn the spot.

Of course we all like to see young players coming through, but they should only be there if they are good enough and have earned the right to play.

Say this enough and you'll believe it.

When has he been given a run of 2-3 full competitve games and been kept on for 90 mins, not just 45 min bursts? Jeez, I've seen Defoe/Lennon/Huddlestone have 3-4 games on the spin where they do very, very little but they still get given an opportunity.

 

[opensaysme]

If Roger Morgans latest update is anything to go by I think GDS will be one of the 4 Owen Coyle will be interested in taking to Bolton in exchange for Cahill.