Harry Kane

[Savage7]

Jose ball at its best go 1-0 up then shit the bed and defend your own 18 for 87 minutes when the italians were on the ropes we invited them back into the game. Kane was our furthest forward at times when he was 10 yards from the edge of our own box. Harry was fantastic first 10 minutes and we had them on the ropes southgate has to go for me. The achievement from the squad to get to the final when we barely played good football in the tournament is massive. Any other side in the world picks Sancho, Grealish and Foden over the dross we pick and wins the tournament. Let the defneders defend and the attackers attack picking mount, saka etc because they track back well is pathetic. Harry deserves better for the past 18 months at spurs and for england last night Southgate is a Jose clone.

I agree largely with your post.
We dominated first 15 with the formation as they couldn’t cope with our wing backs getting high as their fullbacks were occupied with our front three.
chiellini didn’t want to follow Kane when he dropped off deep (to not leave space for Sterling to run into) which meant he had time and space to find a pass.
then at around the 15 minute mark we reverted to Jose football which left Italy in the game and their confidence build.
It was like watching Tottenham in that we played it to the two centre halves in the 6 yard box who then after having no options reverted to playing a long hopeful pass which ultimately came straight back.
What’s wrong with turning the fucking game around going long and then applying pressure high up the pitch! Especially when our supposed strength of our front 3 and mount particularly was their high pressing.

I don’t necessarily agree with his selections in the tournament but you can’t argue that we got to the final and took it to penalties,
(The goal conceded was also a set piece) however it was clear that he needed to make changes early on.
Tripp looked gone after 45 and Rice was spent also. Mount had a terrible game.
we hadthe best bench in the tournament yet the reluctance to change was painful. Clinging on to a 1 nil then making a change to personel and formation immediately after the goal is poor management. We were on the ropes, Italy had the momentum and extra energy after scoring, and it is then very hard to change the tide of the game

 

[Savage7]

I’m not laying the blame on Kane for last nights match, there were a number of people who didn’t show up in the second half and treat the game like we were 45 mins away from winning a trophy. However that’s now three clear cup finals in as many years that Kane, as Captain, has largely gone missing for. Sure the pass for the first goal was great and there were a few good touches here and there, but overall he didn’t take hold of the game or indeed the team in the second half.

how do you expect hom to when the side was camped on the edge of our 18 yard box with no intention of getting out when we had possession?

 

[Serpico]

I dont like the way Kane is played with England. He goes too deep. He needs to stay in the last third and have support. Runners around him and football players in MF not stoppers who can link up. England had 8 (incl keeper) defensive and kane dropping amongst them. So the only out ball was Sterling and Mount. Mount I dont understand what he does. I know Sterling causes chaos. This is Southgates England.

 

[bigfrooj]

Kane thrives on being given the ball around the eighteen yard line and crosses into the box. Neither was going to happen last night because of the tactics and because Italy defended anything coming in so well and it’s the reason he’s disappeared in so many finals and semifinals. It’s an enigma he needs to crack for himself because it happens for club and country. His style of play will get bucketloads of goals against ordinary sides but, it sounds harshly critical, not against top sides fighting for a trophy.
Both Southgates and Mourinhos tactics look timid in the big games not brave and expansive like, ironically, England have been up to the final.

 

[bigfrooj]

I dont like the way Kane is played with England. He goes too deep. He needs to stay in the last third and have support. Runners around him and football players in MF not stoppers who can link up. England had 8 (incl keeper) defensive and kane dropping amonst them. So the only out ball was Sterling and Mount. Mount I dont understand what he does. I know Sterling causes chaos. This is Southgates England.

Mount was our Dele Alli - a bit of this a bit of that, not too clear where he’s supposed to be or what he does.

 

[Serpico]

Mount was our Dele Alli - a bit of this a bit of that, not too clear where he’s supposed to be or what he does.

I thought it was me. Ive only seen Mount once or twice and read the myth. Having seen him for a few games now, he's not really that effective as a player. He keeps it simple and runs alot, he doesnt effect the game play in any way.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I thought it was me. Ive only seen Mount once or twice and read the myth. Having seen him for a few games now, he's not really that effective as a player. He keeps it simple and runs alot, he doesnt effect the game play in any way.

How he's in ahead of Foden is a mystery to me.

 

[bigfrooj]

I thought it was me. Ive only seen Mount once or twice and read the myth. Having seen him for a few games now, he's not really that effective as a player. He keeps it simple and runs alot, he doesnt effect the game play in any way.

I think like Dele he’s much better in a defined role. Under Pochettino Dele was so good in that secondary striker -link to midfield- role, scoring and assisting. I think Mount has a defined role at Chelsea probably.

 

[thelak]

I get the criticism of Southgate and trying to shut up shop.....but would Italy have done any different in the same situation?

Not sure what they hypothetically would have does is relevant when the shut up shop tactic from England led to a goal being conceded and all momentum lost

Italy might have done it successfully and seen the game out

If England had managed that then Southgate would rightly be being lauded to the skies

 

[stov]

They invented it.

They are also much better at it.
Play to your strengths, in a team brimming with attacking talent we play 5 defenders and 2 holding midfielders. The attacking midfielder Mason was pretty much a defensive choice too as he can track back.
Kane the only player with any vision on the pitch.

 

[CockOnBall]

I get the criticism of Southgate and trying to shut up shop.....but would Italy have done any different in the same situation?

They haven’t done so all tournament

 

[easley91]

Kane dropping deep is fine if you have the runners in behind. Italy had a very high line and we didn't utilise it enough.

 

[Serpico]

How he's in ahead of Foden is a mystery to me.
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I get the criticism of Southgate and trying to shut up shop.....but would Italy have done any different in the same situation?

NO!
England were at home. We've seen Italy go forward in every match so far. Even against Spain although being out played they looked to counter which paid off. One nil up, Italian wobbling they should have gone for it.. England had no out ball once they sat deep. Italians make changes to effect (win) the game, England changes was not to lose.

The England run created a myth abouth Southgate and the boys which was dependent on winning

NO!
England were at home. We've seen Italy go forward in every match so far. Even against Spain although being out played they looked to counter which paid off. One nil up, Italian wobbling they should have gone for it.. England had no out ball once they sat deep. Italians make changes to effect (win) the game, England changes was not to lose.

The England run created a myth abouth Southgate and the boys which was dependent on winning

 

[EZSpur]

Kane dropping deep is fine if you have the runners in behind. Italy had a very high line and we didn't utilise it enough.

For all his speed, it astonishes me why Sterling never runs in behind.
He has no problems running at players with the ball - but for the majority of the time, just loses the ball.
Italy played so high that it was crying out for someone like Sterling to make the run - but perhaps the issue is, other than Kane, who else could've put the ball in?

.....As you can tell, i'm still not over it!

 

[Serpico]

Once the dust settles and the tournament is analysed, this will be seen as a massive faliure (maybe too soon for this) . At home 6 games out of 7. Easy side of the draw. No decent teams to play until the final. England had it in thier grasp to win this. Score 2 minutes into the final and then turn off. Southgate has to take the blame.. Grealish , the peoples player letting a 19 year old go ahead of him, shameful.

 

[CrouchPotato]

Once the dust settles and the tournament is analysed, this will be seen as a massive faliure (maybe too soon for this) . At home 6 games out of 7. Easy side of the draw. No decent teams to play until the final. England had it in thier grasp to win this. Score 2 minutes into the final and then turn off. Southgate has to take the blame.. Grealish , the peoples player letting a 19 year old go ahead of him, shameful.

Southgate decided the pens, grealish was literally shown nodding he would be happy to take one. Grealish came out and said he wanted to take one.

 

[mark1208]

Once the dust settles and the tournament is analysed, this will be seen as a massive faliure (maybe too soon for this) . At home 6 games out of 7. Easy side of the draw. No decent teams to play until the final. England had it in thier grasp to win this. Score 2 minutes into the final and then turn off. Southgate has to take the blame.. Grealish , the peoples player letting a 19 year old go ahead of him, shameful.

Grealish wanted to take 1 check his twitter and Southgate has said he chose the pen takers Grealish Shaw and Phillips all said they would take 1 too

 

[Serpico]

For all his speed, it astonishes me why Sterling never runs in behind.
He has no problems running at players with the ball - but for the majority of the time, just loses the ball.
Italy played so high that it was crying out for someone like Sterling to make the run - but perhaps the issue is, other than Kane, who else could've put the ball in?

.....As you can tell, i'm still not over it!

Could have stuck him down the middle and see what happens late on.

 

[Serpico]

Southgate decided the pens, grealish was literally shown nodding he would be happy to take one. Grealish came out and said he wanted to take one.

He would but he didnt.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Grealish wanted to take 1 check his twitter and Southgate has said he chose the pen takers Grealish Shaw and Phillips all said they would take 1 too

Yeah, but maybe Geealish would have taken Maguire's place...or Saka's and missed as well, who the fuck knows what might have happened? The fact remains we should never have gone to penalties, but we weren't good enough in the match itself, and didnt deserve to win.