Harry Kane

[Rusta81]

Yep exactly the same thing in a final.

Spurs & England have so many similarities tbh and both love not turning up in big games.

On one hand Kane has played 4 finals now, hasn’t scored in any of them or barely had a sniff of a chance but he was half fit in 2 of them.

On the other hand in each of those finals apart from CL final vs Liverpool where we did have a decent amount of possession and created some chances, the rest of the finals he got fuck all service.

But then again you think if he’s trying to be a top 1/2 player in the world, Messi, Ronaldo etc then sorry but he needs to influence big games a bit more. I know some will say he won free kicks and dropped deep and did some good passes etc but if you put Ronaldo in those 4 finals, 3 for Spurs and 1 for England I’m pretty certain he’d have scored in at least one of them.

Kane is a top top top player but unless he gets the right service he won’t be the type of player to often win you a game on his own and he can therefore go missing in some big games.

As for stay or go, i think he’ll want to go for sure it’s just if City are willing to pay what we want for him or not.

There’s been big games for spurs . 2 League pushes, dunno how many semis, them three finals, this final and has the top performance been there? He wants to win something but he’s had chances…..::: can he blame the team around him ? The Spurs side he was in 4/5 years ago was crazy good ! Won fuck all

 

[kent brockman]

34% possession was the problem.

So negative tactics. Five at the back. Rice and Phillips in CM. Sitting back all game to defend a one-goal lead.

With that set-up, it is really unfair IMO to expect Kane/Sterling to pull a rabbit out of the hat all on their own.

I was more disappointed with Kane in the CL final. Whilst he obviously was rusty, I missed that fire in his eyes.

 

[yawa]

So negative tactics. Five at the back. Rice and Phillips in CM. Sitting back all game to defend a one-goal lead.

With that set-up, it is really unfair IMO to expect Kane/Sterling to pull a rabbit out of the hat all on their own.

I was more disappointed with Kane in the CL final. Whilst he obviously was rusty, I missed that fire in his eyes.

The first half we got tactics pretty much spot on. The issue was the second half and especially when they started to take more control.

We needed Grealish on the pitch and for some odd reason we wait until we’re behind to make the sub.

Basically like the end of the Poch era and subs just coming way too late.

I still appreciate Southgate for what he’s done but if he’s not going to utilise our attacking players properly. You do wonder.

 

[sausage]

Harry's a nice guy, and I don't think he'll get to the Messi/Ronaldo levels unless that changes.

People go in hard in Ronaldo when he's screaming for the ball or going mental when he doesn't get it, but that's why he'd have done more. Harry needs to demand better - especially a captain. Be more selfish and expect to be given chances

 

[Kingellesar]

The best spell of the game last night, was the first 15/20 minutes, Kane played two fantastic balls to the Trippier/Walker at RWB, one of which lead to us scoring. When he dropped back, he was picking out good passes that allowed us to get on the attack. After that, we then resorted to sitting deep and that's when the problems began.

The thing that frustrates me with the criticism he gets, is he didn't get any service. If he had missed an easy chance or something, fair enough but he didn't get those chances last night. When you only have 29% possession or whatever it is, it's understandable why he didn't. I think as a collective, that attack last night was disappointing after starting brightly.

Probably why City are the team he would want, when you have KDB playing the role that Harry tries to play for us and England, it means he would be able to stay forward and probably bag more goals than he could dream of.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Harry's a nice guy, and I don't think he'll get to the Messi/Ronaldo levels unless that changes.

People go in hard in Ronaldo when he's screaming for the ball or going mental when he doesn't get it, but that's why he'd have done more. Harry needs to demand better - especially a captain. Be more selfish and expect to be given chances

I do agree. When Sterling or Rice last night continually seemed to be running with their eyes shut and holding onto the ball way too long, Harry seemed to just shrug and give a little whinge even he shouldn’t been tearing into them, particularly Sterling who really seems snore to conjure up a dead and out of thin air.

 

[ernest_lowrider]

I think it makes 4 lost finals in a row for Harry.

Now, he should to decide if he wants to lose more - if not, he should stay, we won't reach any final anyway.

 

[spids]

I hope Kane does not look at last nights defeat and think he needs to move to a 'bigger club' to win trophies. He could look at last night and think we didn't win because two Man U players missed penalties (and two Man City players did not fancy one). The real reason we lost is because Southgate went all Mourinho and tried to defend a 1-0 lead after the first 15 mins. It was obvious after 10 mins of the second half we needed to change. If he'd put on Grealish after 60 mins I think England win that in normal time.

 

[Trix]

I hope Kane does not look at last nights defeat and think he needs to move to a 'bigger club' to win trophies. He could look at last night and think we didn't win because two Man U players missed penalties (and two Man City players did not fancy one). The real reason we lost is because Southgate went all Mourinho and tried to defend a 1-0 lead after the first 15 mins. It was obvious after 10 mins of the second half we needed to change. If he'd put on Grealish after 60 mins I think England win that in normal time.

I get the criticism of Southgate and trying to shut up shop.....but would Italy have done any different in the same situation?

 

[spids]

I get the criticism of Southgate and trying to shut up shop.....but would Italy have done any different in the same situation?

That is the reality. We can blame Southgate's lack of boldness all we like. Ultimately Italy are a top side brimming with technical excellence and experience. Unbeaten in 34 games. Best team in the tournament and deserved winners.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I think Kane dropped deep as the service into the box wasn't great. The crosses in the air are what their centre backs and keeper love. We needed to get behind them and failed to do that. I know Shaw's goal came from a cross but they dealt with crosses really well. We lacked urgency in our attacks for most of the game, too hesitant, too many passes. England were at their best when they moved it quickly in attack.

 

[onthetwo]

I think Kane dropped deep as the service into the box wasn't great. The crosses in the air are what their centre backs and keeper love. We needed to get behind them and failed to do that. I know Shaw's goal came from a cross but they dealt with crosses really well. We lacked urgency in our attacks for most of the game, too hesitant, too many passes. England were at their best when they moved it quickly in attack.

im no technician but looked to me like Harry dropping deep when defending the lead meant the whole team was too deep for most of the match.

 

[Rosco1984]

Jose ball at its best go 1-0 up then shit the bed and defend your own 18 for 87 minutes when the italians were on the ropes we invited them back into the game. Kane was our furthest forward at times when he was 10 yards from the edge of our own box. Harry was fantastic first 10 minutes and we had them on the ropes southgate has to go for me. The achievement from the squad to get to the final when we barely played good football in the tournament is massive. Any other side in the world picks Sancho, Grealish and Foden over the dross we pick and wins the tournament. Let the defneders defend and the attackers attack picking mount, saka etc because they track back well is pathetic. Harry deserves better for the past 18 months at spurs and for england last night Southgate is a Jose clone.

 

[Jamturk]

I get the criticism of Southgate and trying to shut up shop.....but would Italy have done any different in the same situation?

They invented it.

 

[Serpico]

Kane is at his best scoring goals , simple. He’s passing is the best in the England side. He can’t do and shouldn't be expected to, to do both. He's there to score goals, not be the best MF player. Others players lack his understanding and ability.

 

[spursfan77]

I hate articles like this, and the state of 'internet journalism'

Spurs and England hero Kane is as timeless as his purple patch is endless

At some point Tottenham hero Harry Kane just totally dedicated himself to being the best and pursued that goal with intensity and ruthlessness

www.football365.com

I think the author considers himself a 'funny guy', but it comes across amateurish. This bit really irritates, though:

"In the interests of full disclosure, for years I never thought Kane was a top-rank footballer. I remember seeing him huff and puff his way around the pitch in 2013/14 as Spurs gave him 19 games in the first team that season, during which time he scored just four times. He looked a bit useless and it was hard to know what role suited him. He was too slow, sometimes to the point of lumbering, to play on the shoulder, but didn’t seem to know how to play a lone striker and didn’t have the ball game to be a No. 10. I fully expected him to drop down the leagues and be playing for Southend by now."

Did you really John? Really? This bit...

I remember seeing him huff and puff his way around the pitch in 2013/14 as Spurs gave him 19 games in the first team that season, during which time he scored just four times.

...Seems to be based on the same Wikipedia bullshittery that plagues transfer thread, where experts go from 'who?' to 'xG' in 20 mins of browsing. Here's his stats from that season:

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So, PL2 aside (where he had 8 goals and 5 assists in 8 games), he actually had 5 goal contributions in 10 'senior' PL games. Or, alternatively, a smidge under a goal contribution every 90 mins.

Also:

The Queen even took sympathy on Harry and in 2019 gave him an OBE to play with, which he no doubt looks at wistfully in the silence of a long night.

It was an MBE, you tit.


I don't know why people work in supermarkets pushing trolleys when they could easily become football journalists. The bar is so low it's embarrassing.

I stopped reading the article at the end of the first sentence when I opened it the other day. Any dick who starts an article about Harry Kane and him leaving isn’t worth reading.

 

[neogenisis]

He is not winning a Trophy with England so I guess he needs to transfer to Italy now.

 

[spids]

I think Kane dropped deep as the service into the box wasn't great. The crosses in the air are what their centre backs and keeper love. We needed to get behind them and failed to do that. I know Shaw's goal came from a cross but they dealt with crosses really well. We lacked urgency in our attacks for most of the game, too hesitant, too many passes. England were at their best when they moved it quickly in attack.

Early on when Kane dropped deep (which was a good tactic) he had both WBs and even a CB overlapping and making runs. After 15 mins the WBs stopped making those runs and Kane only had Sterling to find. I'd love to know what England would have been like in a 4-2-3-1 with Grealish, Foden and Sterling all supporting Kane.

 

[brasil_spur]

I’m not laying the blame on Kane for last nights match, there were a number of people who didn’t show up in the second half and treat the game like we were 45 mins away from winning a trophy. However that’s now three clear cup finals in as many years that Kane, as Captain, has largely gone missing for. Sure the pass for the first goal was great and there were a few good touches here and there, but overall he didn’t take hold of the game or indeed the team in the second half.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

The trouble with Kane for England, and for Tottenham to an extent since the decline of Eriksen, is that he is the best passer in the the team and the most creative player, so when the team is struggling to break through and he’s getting no service, it must feel like the most natural thing in the world for him to drop deep. In his eyes it’s the thing the team’s missing. At least Tottenham have a player like Son who knows how to capitalise on that. England don’t.

So if in games like last night the team needs him to stay up front as our best and only reliable scorer, the manager has to be clear and firm about it, and also train and instruct the team on how to use its best asset.