Harry Kane

[ItsBoris]

Yeah I agree it’s different to Bale. But not that different. Kane may or may not regret his decision to join Bayern but I don’t see any reason why he would want to come back to us. From his perspective we’re probably the same team chasing fourth we always were, and that’s exactly what he wanted to get away from.

I think he was happy to stay with us this season because of his contract situation, but if he had wanted to stay long term he would have signed an extension.

Would we be with him still here though? We're only 11 points off Arsenal. I feel like Kane would be worth that many points to us in the season up till now.

Ultimately we're both speculating. I'm just not seeing why a player like Kane would want to be at Bayern Munich right now. They won't win CL, maybe a Bundesliga next year but even that is no guarantee.

As for why he'd come back to us, well if he wanted to come back to England surely we'd be the best option.

 

[McFlash]

I find it strange the joy peeps are finding joy in Kanes potential lack of success.
He gave us his best and carried the team at times. I want him to have success and bear no grudges.
However it seems there's a lot that want him to fail for leaving us.

I've got to say that I'm rather enjoying him failing purely because it's kind of funny, a bit like when Stephen Carr went to Newcastle.
That's not to say that I don't appreciate what he's done for us, or that I wouldn't welcome him back with open arms.

I just think that the way he left was a bit shit and to be honest, lost a lot of respect for him during the Neville interview too.

He'll win stuff soon, or course he will but similar to you, I can't understand people who can't find humour in the fact that he's not winning a trophy this season.
It's a perverse humour, but it's still funny.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

I know it's only in jest, but no chance of Kane coming back for next season, Bayern will never sell their star player, especially after a poor season from the other squad members (by their standards).

Bayern look an absoloute mess at the moment, the defence is all over the place, the midfield looks poor as well and they've had to rely (spurs esque) on Kane.

I think they'll be a bit of an overhaul at Bayern next season with some big names moving on (not Kane).

I also find it difficult to believe an Arsenal team which is incredibly organised and injury free going out to Bayern sadly. Unless Kane can drag then through that is.

Saying that, of course you'd want him back, why wouldn't you. But I'd also like Vinicus and Foden and I'd say their just as likely for next season.

 

[Styopa]

Would we be with him still here though? We're only 11 points off Arsenal. I feel like Kane would be worth that many points to us in the season up till now.

Ultimately we're both speculating. I'm just not seeing why a player like Kane would want to be at Bayern Munich right now. They won't win CL, maybe a Bundesliga next year but even that is no guarantee.

As for why he'd come back to us, well if he wanted to come back to England surely we'd be the best option.

It’s an interesting question but I still think he would be inclined to believe that we would come up short again. We had title challenges while he was here, cup finals, a Champions League final etc but in the end he wanted to leave in spite of all that, in spite of all the top managers, the new stadium, the Premier League, the goals records and so on.

I just can’t believe one relatively poor season by Bayern’s standards means he will decide it was all a terrible mistake and he should have stayed at Spurs.

It’s true I’m just speculating, but him wanting to come back now seems more like wishful thinking than anything else.

 

[muppetman]

It would be hugely humiliating for him and for Bayern, not a chance in hell anytime soon.

 

[teedee]

Yeah undoubtedly he would make a massive difference, he’s world class.

But the problem was we had got stuck in a rut with him. The club was going nowhere during his final four seasons here. Kane the player was not responsible for that but arguably Kane the man was.

From the outside it looked like we made some seriously badly thought out managerial appointments to appease Kane. Those appointments set the club back four or five years. Then there was the whole Man C debacle and the Neville interview which cast a shadow over the whole club. Then there was this whole attitude around the club (including among our own fans) that we were terrible and would be mid table or relegated without Kane. Finally, Kane left at his first opportunity to do so.

How can you build anything given all of the above?

I agree with most of what you write, but you have no idea if Kane had any input whatsoever into the appointments of managers. That is speculation. They were perhaps just poor appointments by DL.

 

[Styopa]

I agree with most of what you write, but you have no idea if Kane had any input whatsoever into the appointments of managers. That is speculation. They were perhaps just poor appointments by DL.

Yeah I agree I don’t know for sure, just that it seemed that way from the outside looking in. It’s at least a strong possibility given all the speculation, how Kane wanted to leave after Mourinho, and other bits and pieces but of course I don’t know for sure.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Gonna have to give a massive disagree to this I am afraid, mate. Only because I was told something last week.

Kane and Dier are the most professional players at Bayern and with the most elite mentality.

No ego, they play the way the coach asks, train 100%, a pleasure to deal with and they work over time.

Tuchel wanted to sign even more English players last summer because he was not happy with a lot of them at the club.

This person told me, and he is REALLY close to this situation, that the English boys are a dream to coach and Tuchel wants to coach back in England for this reason.

It now makes so much sense why Dier went there, not the best defender but could have been the start of a new group in the changing room.

Combined with what Klose said last week, you can then read into the rest.

Bayern have been on a downhill trend for a couple of years, the German older players conrol too much and they have signed too many egos - it's just there wasn't a team anywhere close to them to challenge them, now there is.

Interesting insights thanks for sharing mate and I don't doubt Kane or Dier's professionalism but I do genuinely think in Kane's case that he doesn't have that real lion's heart mentality to in the big big games and clutch moments to really step up and drag a team over the line for honours I just don't think he is naturally like that.

Of course he wants to win and tries to win and he has delivered in some big games no doubt but I do really feel that there is something missing with him/in him and I think because he is such a key and focal player for teams (Spurs, England, now Bayern) it does rub off on others and he can make some teams become a bit too reliant on him and less of an overall team.

However fwiw I think he will 100% win something at Bayern probably next season, clubs like that don't stay a 'mess' for long and Bayern's issues are far deeper and longer-routed and not really to do with Kane at all, he has gone there and done his job so very well and without him they would likely be even worse but I do think there is something to be said that Kane's energy, mentality to get over the line whatever you want to call it isn't quite there, just seems a heck of a coincidence that a player as good as him has been part of losing teams for:

• World cup QF - loser
• World Cup SF - loser
• Euro Final - loser
• CL Final -loser
• 2x Carabao Cup Finals - loser
• FA Cup Semi Final - loser
• 2nd place in 2 title races -loser
• Bayern Cup final - loser
• Bayern title race - loser

Sure there is narrative for a lot of these losses not being just down to Kane as it is a team sport but if you put C.Ronaldo, Messi or even say Berbatov in all of those games I think no way they are all losses, 0 chance.

But once he wins something all that noise will go away.

And full full respect for the incredible amazing player he was for us but personally the last 4-5 seasons were so dark and him itching for moves away and influencing us getting bad fit 'win now' managers like Jose & Conte, his interview with G.Nev, angling for a move to Man.City, coming back late to pre-season, etc so I'm really glad he is gone and that cloud has been lifted but banter aside I do hope he wins something with Bayern starting with a big win and hat-trick against Arsenal tonight on the way to a famous CL victory...

Lets see.

 

[muppetman]

Interesting insights thanks for sharing mate and I don't doubt Kane or Dier's professionalism but I do genuinely think in Kane's case that he doesn't have that real lion's heart mentality to in the big big games and clutch moments to really step up and drag a team over the line for honours I just don't think he is naturally like that.

Of course he wants to win and tries to win and he has delivered in some big games no doubt but I do really feel that there is something missing with him/in him and I think because he is such a key and focal player for teams (Spurs, England, now Bayern) it does rub off on others and he can make some teams become a bit too reliant on him and less of an overall team.

However fwiw I think he will 100% win something at Bayern probably next season, clubs like that don't stay a 'mess' for long and Bayern's issues are far deeper and longer-routed and not really to do with Kane at all, he has gone there and done his job so very well and without him they would likely be even worse but I do think there is something to be said that Kane's energy, mentality to get over the line whatever you want to call it isn't quite there, just seems a heck of a coincidence that a player as good as him has been part of losing teams for:

• World cup QF - loser
• World Cup SF - loser
• Euro Final - loser
• CL Final -loser
• 2x Carabao Cup Finals - loser
• FA Cup Semi Final - loser
• 2nd place in 2 title races -loser

Sure there is narrative for a lot of these losses not being just down to Kane as it is a team sport but if you put C.Ronaldo, Messi or even say Berbatov in all of those games I think no way they are all losses, 0 chance.

But once he wins something all that noise will go away.

And full full respect for the incredible amazing player he was for us but personally the last 4-5 seasons were so dark and him itching for moves away and influencing us getting bad fit 'win now' managers like Jose & Conte, his interview with G.Nev, angling for a move to Man.City, coming back late to pre-season, etc so I'm really glad he is gone and that cloud has been lifted but banter aside I do hope he wins something with Bayern starting with a big win and hat-trick against Arsenal tonight on the way to a famous CL victory...

Lets see.

I'm not convinced Christian Ronaldo etc do get us over the line, any more than the proven winners Conte or Mourinho did.

Generally speaking the best players play for the best teams who tend to win stuff, rather than being one man teams who manage to lift the rest. There are exceptions to the rule, but they are pretty few and far between, so I think this concept of individual players "dragging along" the lesser team members to glory is a bit of a myth.

 

[Trent Crimm]

What are the odds on him drawing a blank tonight.

 

[RJR1949]

Unfortunately.

This seems to have attract much negative comment. Let me elaborate and justify.

Gareth Bale was an outstanding player - one of the 10 best Spurs players I have seen (but not the best Welsh winger, that was the great Cliff Jones). I was also lucky enough to meet Gareth a few times - my employer used him for various PR activities and competitions. He is friendly and modest and just a decent human being. I even had a signed shirt - now hanging proudly in my son’s house.

But bringing him back to the club was a mistake. It was the club looking backwards and not forwards and yet another sign during the lost years before Ange was appointed that the club had lost its way and had no idea of how to build for the future.

Gareth Bale gave us all some glorious memories - my favourites include the “taxi for Maicon” game and the away game against West Ham.

He deserved to be honoured and remembered for all that he had achieved.

 

[Trent Crimm]

This seems to have attract much negative comment. Let me elaborate and justify.

Gareth Bale was an outstanding player - one of the 10 best Spurs players I have seen (but not the best Welsh winger, that was the great Cliff Jones). I was also lucky enough to meet Gareth a few times - my employer used him for various PR activities and competitions. He is friendly and modest and just a decent human being. I even had a signed shirt - now hanging proudly in my son’s house.

But bringing him back to the club was a mistake. It was the club looking backwards and not forwards and yet another sign during the lost years before Ange was appointed that the club had lost its way and had no idea of how to build for the future.

Gareth Bale gave us all some glorious memories - my favourites include the “taxi for Maicon” game and the away game against West Ham.

He deserved to be honoured and remembered for all that he had achieved.

Bringing him back under Jose was the mistake. Jose not liking

1. Bigger names than him
2. Bale a player clearly brought back by Levy and not Jose.

combine those 2 and you have it. Bale had enough left to still add value as he did when he got a chance. Jose was grade A prick with him tho.

 

[jurgen]

Kane loves scoring against the goons and Tuchel knows how to win the CL so fingers crossed

 

[Wig]

Unfortunately.

I thoroughly enjoyed his return, and he had a pretty effective output. I was disappointed we didn't get to see more of the front 3 of Son Kane Bale together.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I'm not convinced Christian Ronaldo etc do get us over the line, any more than the proven winners Conte or Mourinho did.

Generally speaking the best players play for the best teams who tend to win stuff, rather than being one man teams who manage to lift the rest. There are exceptions to the rule, but they are pretty few and far between, so I think this concept of individual players "dragging along" the lesser team members to glory is a bit of a myth.

Agree with some of this mate as ofc you're right the best players tend to play for the best teams but you have the likes of Gerrard who played for some frankly average Liverpool teams and dragged them across the line to win things, Messi is probably the GOAT but he dragged that Argentina team to win a world cup, then in the PL you have players who just get teams over the line : Aguero, Henry, Drogba even in the season Leicester won the league Vardy scored 1 less than Kane but he scored more crucial goals.

Kane turned up for some big games for sure have to credit him for that, especially NLD's he was phenomenal but in those 6 matches I mentioned which he lost big games I think he only scored in 1.

I just feel like he is missing that something but ofc it isn't as simple as that as you rightly say he's been playing for lesser sides generally who are the underdogs in most of those matches.

Interesting debate for sure but I do hope he wins something.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Is Kane a flat track bully but doesn't turn up for the big big games as often as he could?

 

[muppetman]

Is Kane a flat track bully but doesn't turn up for the big big games as often as he could?

No, he has played for teams that were good, not great (us and England), I really think it's as simple as that.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

No, he has played for teams that were good, not great (us and England), I really think it's as simple as that.

I'd say its 80% that, 20% he could do more mentally and as a player in big games and moments.

Hope and pray he steps up big time in these 2 legs against Arsenal.

 

[muppetman]

I'd say its 80% that, 20% he could do more mentally and as a player in big games and moments.

Hope and pray he steps up big time in these 2 legs against Arsenal.

Agree to disagree on the first line, but total agreement on the 2nd!

I was at WHL, behind the goal and off to the side when he scored the curler against Arsenal so had a great view of possibly the best goal I've seen live. More of that please H!

 

[easley91]

I thoroughly enjoyed his return, and he had a pretty effective output. I was disappointed we didn't get to see more of the front 3 of Son Kane Bale together.

I'm just said Bale never got to play in front of a proper crowd at the new stadium thanks to COVID.