Harry Kane

[Hans Gruber]

Fuck me he was appalling against Spain. Hopefully he's gotten it out of his system. Need him firing if we're gonna have a good season, if his form doesn't turn around by the Liverpool games Poch needs to have the bollocks to drop him for Son for a bit, worked pretty well against Chelsea last season and there's no reason a fluid front 4 wouldn't be able to do the trick against thd lesser sides. No player is undroppable, & sometimes people need a short visit to the subs bench to be reminded of that.

 

[olliec]

Fuck me he was appalling against Spain. Hopefully he's gotten it out of his system. Need him firing if we're gonna have a good season, if his form doesn't turn around by the Liverpool games Poch needs to have the bollocks to drop him for Son for a bit, worked pretty well against Chelsea last season and there's no reason a fluid front 4 wouldn't be able to do the trick against thd lesser sides. No player is undroppable, & sometimes people need a short visit to the subs bench to be reminded of that.

But he wasn’t that terrible against Spain. People forget that he started the move that led to the goal for us. He also put Rashford one on one aswell. If Rashford converted it would of been an assist. I’m not saying he was great, but I wouldn’t say he was terrible either. I just think he’s coming to deep at the moment.

 

[Saoirse]

Kane is still a good player even right now. But he isn't the world-class player we were watching six months ago. And on the whole he probably isn't better than our other attacking options until he gets back to that. By some distance our best football since that injury was when he wasn't in the team at all.

 

[Gassin's finest]

It would help if Southgate actually played Kane as an out and out striker so he can be the one getting these chances, as opposed to playing in a relatively unfamiliar role, so as to enable overrated and inferior players, who are a bit quick.

Once again, an England manager fails to build a team around our only genuinely world class player in a generation.

 

[Blackrat1299]

Many of todays papers allude to the fact that he only touched the ball 20 times. He failed to get the service from midfield, I suppose that could account for him playing deep.

Edit: I have just read @Gassin's finest and I have to totally agree with him.

 

[wrd]

No it's called being a parent, and guess what... it's 2018 and a dad should be doing his fair bit. I'm guessing by the way you're talking you aren't a parent? If you are then I sincerely feel for your partner.

Do you honestly think the football club or his form matters to him an iota compared to his children?

Oh and I'm not making excuses for his form, I personally think it's nothing to do with his kids but you throwing the fact he has money in his pocket as a reason he shouldn't have to be a good dad pissed me off.

When your husband earns your family millions per year, you tend to cover him in other areas of life because he's allowed you to have all the time in the world.

 

[dagraham]

When your husband earns your family millions per year, you tend to cover him in other areas of life because he's allowed you to have all the time in the world.

Particularly when that husband also finishes his working day mid afternoon. Plenty of time for footballers to be doting Dad, without being up half the night like a Zombie when their whole career ( and families financial future ) depends on them being in peak physical fitness.

 

[mpickard2087]

It would help if Southgate actually played Kane as an out and out striker so he can be the one getting these chances, as opposed to playing in a relatively unfamiliar role, so as to enable overrated and inferior players, who are a bit quick.

Once again, an England manager fails to build a team around our only genuinely world class player in a generation.

But whatever role he plays his movement (whether that be agility, quickness on his feet, explosive power etc) hasn't been great for ages now - when his team has the ball he isn't consistently finding space, running channels or in behind, there are less sprints, less getting a shot off with sharpness, and plenty of games recently, in moments when we're working the ball around the box/wide areas, there have been times where I've been disappointed about him not being prepared to make a burst towards goal and try to get on the end of something. Then without the ball, stuff like closing down and pressing, harrying the opposition, well he's been dialling that down for about 18 months now (compared to the all action guy who would run through brick walls for the team) and it's now at the point where he is offering very little in that aspect. You do see big efforts from time to time chasing back etc making a tackle but, again, consistently, across 90 minutes it's not great.

Maybe putting him in a more static, deeper role is managers trying to compensate and cover for him? It's not just Southgate after all, Poch has gone and done exactly the same thing.

 

[wrd]

Particularly when that husband also finishes his working day mid afternoon. Plenty of time for footballers to be doting Dad, without being up half the night like a Zombie when their whole career ( and families financial future ) depends on them being in peak physical fitness.

Yeah I don't understand the issue with Kane not doing that one particular duty, relationships are about compromise and when his success has likely allowed her a lot of freedom with her time, it would make sense that should would take on that duty to allow him rest when his career is largely built on being at your peak physically.

I think it's unfair that posters are being called misogynistic for that mentality, I work from home twice a week so I take on all home duties on those two days then my girlfriend helps me out at weekend as I'm doing more work albeit at home on the weekends, so I think it's laughable to suggest Kane would be getting up at 2 a.m for bottle feeds in that particular dynamic.

 

[dagraham]

Yeah I don't understand the issue with Kane not doing that one particular duty, relationships are about compromise and when his success has likely allowed her a lot of freedom with her time, it would make sense that should would take on that duty to allow him rest when his career is largely built on being at your peak physically.

I think it's unfair that posters are being called misogynistic for that mentality, I work from home twice a week so I take on all home duties on those two days then my girlfriend helps me out at weekend as I'm doing more work albeit at home on the weekends, so I think it's laughable to suggest Kane would be getting up at 2 a.m for bottle feeds in that particular dynamic.

People like to judge and put others into boxes. Even more so from behind a keyboard.

 

[mmillerlight]

I have always thought he lacks explosive speed that is more evident on larger pitches that are slower (longer thicker grass). In winter on faster pitches I think he always seems quicker and can break past players. In winter at White Heart Lane I believe he played his most consistent best stuff. Seems a pretty weird observation but I find it has basically held true over the last few years. Obviously this doesn’t mean he can’t have a good game on a big slow pitch and vice versa.

 

[coys200]

For me the most accurate description I’ve seen of him in the last few months. Is that this is is how I’d expect him to play at 32 not in his prime at 25. Dropping deep any pace he had completely vanished. Yes he did well in build up for 1st goal. But it’s like you’re looking for little fragments in a game,when at his best less than a year ago he was utterly bossing games. I’m convinced that his alarming drop off in top speed can only be an injury. It really wouldn’t surprise if in the near future it emerges he’s tried to play through an injury but ends up in an operation like Winks. Our physio team have a history of this trying to play players through an injury rather than going for the operation, lamela wanyama winks rose.

 

[SdB]

We’re in the same position. My wife hasn’t worked since our 6yr old was born. Her choice. She also does much more of the night stuff as if she’s knackered she has more time in the day to cope. Her words.

I’m so tired of twatty ‘progressives’ assuming I’m in some kind of Neanderthal. Harry will be doing very little of the night stuff, it’s not the reason his form has dropped.

I wanted my wife to go back to work and mix with other people asap. It took 20 years for her to get a part time job but now we live in a clinical show house type of zone because she saw that as her job whilst at home for all those years and cannot break it.

I offer 2 pieces of advice to male friends and colleagues who have children
1) Do not immediately pick your child up every time it cries and stop your wife from doing the same otherwise you make a bad rod for your back
2) Encourage your wife to go back to work or do other others (voluntary work) as soon as possible for her mental health and your future relationship

 

[SdB]

For me the most accurate description I’ve seen of him in the last few months. Is that this is is how I’d expect him to play at 32 not in his prime at 25. Dropping deep any pace he had completely vanished. Yes he did well in build up for 1st goal. But it’s like you’re looking for little fragments in a game,when at his best less than a year ago he was utterly bossing games. I’m convinced that his alarming drop off in top speed can only be an injury. It really wouldn’t surprise if in the near future it emerges he’s tried to play through an injury but ends up in an operation like Winks. Our physio team have a history of this trying to play players through an injury rather than going for the operation, lamela wanyama winks rose.

I think this makes more sense.

Owen said the same thing about his hamstrings.

I found this interview really interesting, especially the bit from 5 minutes onwards. Not saying this is going on with Kane but it does seem quite similar e.g dropping deep.

 

[jolegend]

How about he is simply out of form? He is typically a slow starter. Give him a few weeks and he will be firing again.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

I think he is taking care of his body, if he plays full out he will be injured again and perhaps more frequently.

Footballers careers are short and the move to a more Sheringham style could prolong his career, like mmm Sheringham.

Owen, rooney, shearer all had injury problems and all were struggling at the end of their career. Kane is probably making sure he breaks all these records by being fit.

 

[danielneeds]

I think he is taking care of his body, if he plays full out he will be injured again and perhaps more frequently.

Footballers careers are short and the move to a more Sheringham style could prolong his career, like mmm Sheringham.

Owen, rooney, shearer all had injury problems and all were struggling at the end of their career. Kane is probably making sure he breaks all these records by being fit.

All those guys had ACLs, torn hamstrings - really bad injuries. Kane's only turned his ankle a couple of times. He should be able to get fully fit and still be at his peak - but the WC has mean't that he's been working at running repairs since the end of last season.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

For me the most accurate description I’ve seen of him in the last few months. Is that this is is how I’d expect him to play at 32 not in his prime at 25. Dropping deep any pace he had completely vanished. Yes he did well in build up for 1st goal. But it’s like you’re looking for little fragments in a game,when at his best less than a year ago he was utterly bossing games. I’m convinced that his alarming drop off in top speed can only be an injury. It really wouldn’t surprise if in the near future it emerges he’s tried to play through an injury but ends up in an operation like Winks. Our physio team have a history of this trying to play players through an injury rather than going for the operation, lamela wanyama winks rose.

Agree, this season (dare I say it) he is playing like Rooney did after he started to fade at Utd and got dropped to the 10 role. I have zero idea what is up with him if it's an injury, jaded from the world cup, a mental issue. Who knows. But more then ever this season I have seen him walking around the pitch when we are not in possession and it takes him an age to decide to press a player. Even if we had another striker Poch wouldn't drop Kane but I do really worry about him.

 

[coys200]

And yet for all the talk in this thread he has 8 in 11 PL since the injury at 0.72 a game which is above his career average of 0.71.

And club and country 15 in 19 at a rate of 0.79.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

All those guys had ACLs, torn hamstrings - really bad injuries. Kane's only turned his ankle a couple of times. He should be able to get fully fit and still be at his peak - but the WC has mean't that he's been working at running repairs since the end of last season.

I agree he needs a rest, but if he continues playing whilst carrying a knock he runs the risk of something more serious.

I know these are professional Footballers but when you start getting problems in the foot you need to rest it fully to recover otherwise it will just keep happening.