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Football365: Tottenham fans have joined everyone else in seeing Harry Kane flaws.

Tottenham fans have joined everyone else in seeing Harry Kane flaws

Have Spurs fans now had their eyes opened to why everyone else seemed to really dislike Harry Kane? But he is not in this for friends.

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Dont know what to make of it- is this a true refldction on hiw bad it is.

no it's just someone climbing in on Kane because they have the chance. Spurs fans will always love Kane more than any other clubs fans.

Thats why this hurts more than say losing Kyle Walker.

He's our boy. No matter what he's done.

 

[JCRD]

To the people saying they just want Kane gone, I think we need to remain rational and objective, which is difficult when emotions run high.

It looks like our main striking target is going to Atletico, and Inter are no longer selling Martinez. If Kane goes our season is screwed. It might have worked for one game last Sunday but we can't go through a whole season with Son, Berg and Moura as our front line. We will struggle for goals massively.

If there is any indication that we are unable to get replacements in, we shouldn't sell Kane for any price. With him we still have a chance of top 4, without him we have no chance. It doesn't matter if we have 160 million in the bank if we can't sign quality replacements.

I am happy for Kane to go if they pay what we want, but only if it doesn't destroy our chance of on the pitch success. We have to remain competitive. We simply must sign two top quality attackers if Kane leaves, and as things stand, it's looking increasingly unlikely. We haven't even signed one additional striker, let alone two.

Im one of those and I agree totally with you but what will change next summer? the strikers next summer will be the same ones this summer... yeah you may get one or two more breaking through but essentially the same strikers out there now will be the same ones next summer... he fact is, there is a huge shortage of proper strikers out there and very few number 9s like a Kane or a Lewandowski or even a Haaland(i think he will go to Man United next summer - it is evident Man United havent even been rumoured for Kane whatsoever)

Ill only want him gone for what we think is a good price, that I would expect.

Ps id go for someone like Icardi on loan. He isnt as good but he is a decent finisher.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

I wonder if this is causing division between Levy, Nuno and Fabio?

I mean, i am sure they understand completely Levy's stance, but at the same time it is clearly disrupting our transfer window and squad development / cohesion / preparation etc.

Does there come a point when Kane is deemed so disruptive ( tin hat time: part of his and City's plan) that for our season to have any chance if success it is better to let him go?

Obviously need to know if the statements being reported in the Mail / Telegraph are factual, but if so he surely can't stay? Full Chernobyl ffs

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I've been having this discussion a lot offline as well. I don't think Kane being disruptive should or will alter our stance in any way, for two reasons.

Firstly I'm with @Trix take that being seen to bend in anyway would create a blueprint to rival clubs colluding with our players to get them on the cheap.

So foolishly on their part, City and Kane's public antics have only made it even more imperative that Spurs are seen to get the full valuation, and not a penny less.

Had they been more forthcoming with a proper bid earlier in the window, there may have been more room for negotiation in private. They've not helped themselves.

Secondly, it's easy to get caught up in all the noise and drama of the transfer window. But when it's shut that's it. All this noise will go away for a while, and everyone will have to get on with playing football. Whatever the outcome, I can't wait.

 

[Galahad]

To the people saying they just want Kane gone, I think we need to remain rational and objective, which is difficult when emotions run high.

It looks like our main striking target is going to Atletico, and Inter are no longer selling Martinez. If Kane goes our season is screwed. It might have worked for one game last Sunday but we can't go through a whole season with Son, Berg and Moura as our front line. We will struggle for goals massively.

If there is any indication that we are unable to get replacements in, we shouldn't sell Kane for any price. With him we still have a chance of top 4, without him we have no chance. It doesn't matter if we have 160 million in the bank if we can't sign quality replacements.

I am happy for Kane to go if they pay what we want, but only if it doesn't destroy our chance of on the pitch success. We have to remain competitive. We simply must sign two top quality attackers if Kane leaves, and as things stand, it's looking increasingly unlikely. We haven't even signed one additional striker, let alone two.

There is still a massive factor if he stays - dressing room atmosphere. He has shown a huge disrespect to Nuno not even coming back from holidays to speak with him. He has shown a huge disrespect to his teammates. He has provided pressure for a team and Nuno with all this neverending talks about his transfer in the media. Also it's clear that provocative posts from Son and Dier were pointed at him. I know they are professionals but it's surely not good to keep a player who clearly stated that he doesn't want to be here because the team doesn't match his ambitions.
Also. Will Son make a pass to H during our attacks? Will the team celebrate H's goals with him? Will H celebrate goals of his teammates? Will there be some conflicts during the training sessions? There are many questions about this.

 

[SpartanSpur]

The bit in the article that really annoys me is the bit about the transfer request being pointless as it is already obvious. We're not stupid.

I'd actually have a lot more respect for Kane if he did put one in. That shows he's willing to take a hit to the pocket to get the move he wants. I'd take that over crying about Daniel Levy to The Telegraph all day.

 

[PLTuck]

The six year contract was mental from his side. Amazing for us, Levy must have been jumping round his office after that was signed. Genuinely, I would have loved to have seen his face when he got home from work that day and what his whatsapp messages to Joe Lewis were like.

This is what astounds me the most. Harry has been here 20 odd years. He has seen first hand how it went with Carrick (600% profit), Berbatov (300% profit), Bale (2000% profit) and Modric (200%?) went. He saw that we flat out refused to sell Modric to Chelsea. He saw that all of those players, bar perhaps Carrick had to stay a year longer than they thought they would. He saw that they all thought they had "gentleman's agreements", and he saw that ultimately Levy deals on Levy's terms and gentleman's agreement mean absolutely fuck all. None of those players came through our academy.

And yet, he persists in pulling this crap.

The mind boggles.

 

[Jospur]

Because they're broke apart from PSG who have their eye elsewhere. Bayern couldn't afford him in any case.

Man Utd is broke as well?

And you’re well aware of PSG having its eye elsewhere. Maybe you’re ITK. But I don’t think so.

 

[Benny Boy]

I know that you've not posted since this, and it was 60-odd pages ago and likely other far cleverer posters than me have already commented, but on the off-chance you're still reading and they haven't, but I feel too strongly to avoid chiming in:

Your comparison doesn't hold water. Discussing the relative merits of the different brands of a consumer good, like a phone, is not the same thing, because those entities are competing in a comparable manner. If one compares Samsung and Apple and mentions the use of Chinese sweatshop labour, they're both doing it - so that's a common factor that isn't germane to the conversation as there is no variability.

The difference is that your club's owners are the ruling family of a regime that destroys lives, that dehumanises human beings and every single microsecond of entertainment, success, moments observed bringing supposed glory to the name of your club is steeped in the blood of innocents. And the primary objective of your club's owners is to try and wipe the blood from their hands by having individuals such as yourself think kindly of them for the joy they have provided you. No other PL chairman has that particular characteristic.

Let me ask you this: if you witnessed someone mug another in the street and then walk into a shop and buy you a Mars bar with the money they'd just robbed, how comfortable would you be taking the chocolate? Would you be quite so eager to discuss the relative merits of Mars over Twix?

That's not to say that the other club chairmen are all squeaky-clean characters, but none of the others (not even Abramovich) has built their wealth off the back of a zealously pursued murderous, racist, sexist and homophobic philosophy and then using that money to try and cover their reprehensible behaviour. Certainly Abramovich is guilty of robbing the wealth of people during a febrile period of post-Soviet Russia and Ukraine, and he should be condemned for that (and I do condemn him for it), but he still didn't devolve so far as to engage in what the Al-Nahyans do, which they do willingly, happily and with the utmost zeal.

So, yes, any discussion that involves City, in any capacity, must include the owner's record of extrajudicial murder, the disappearances of people whose only sin is their political dissent, the repression of anyone who dares to be attracted to a member of the same sex, or has the temerity to be born with female genitalia, or is so cheeky as to have been born in a different country.

You may wish to divorce yourself from it. You may wish to cover your eyes and ignore precisely what your club has become - a vehicle designed to provide cover for the worst humanity has to offer. We've actually seen members of a Man City forum trying to claim that condemning City is racist; the cognitive dissonance in evidence there when City's owners are themselves among the most actively and viciously racist people in the world and actually put their bankrupt ideas into practice, is breathtaking. That's precisely what your owners love to see - normal human beings, who would ordinarily be sickened by the horrors the Al-Nahyans perpetuate, rushing to their defence, because their criminality happens to have helped the club lift some trophies.

Maybe it's understandable: sometimes some things are too big for us to care about. Fine. But if you don't want to involve yourself in that aspect, you can't deny that the fundamental issue exists nor that everything Man City does as a club is designed for a specific objective; therefore any discussion of the club's activities must include that objective, as any club's overall objective is implicitly part of a conversation about their activities. Trying to divorce the horror of what the Al-Nahyans are just because its uncomfortable is simply denying the truth.

The Al-Nahyans don't want to buy Kane only because he would increase the club's success. They want him because it will help perpetuate their objective of deflecting attention from the inhumanity they perpetrate far away in their gilded desert gulag.

Apologies to all for restirring an old post, but I really feel very strongly about this aspect of Man City's current existence.

One of the best posts I have ever read on the forum, thank you for articulating what I think better than I could ever say

 

[Aphex]

Im one of those and I agree totally with you but what will change next summer? the strikers next summer will be the same ones this summer... yeah you may get one or two more breaking through but essentially the same strikers out there now will be the same ones next summer... he fact is, there is a huge shortage of proper strikers out there and very few number 9s like a Kane or a Lewandowski or even a Haaland(i think he will go to Man United next summer - it is evident Man United havent even been rumoured for Kane whatsoever)

Ill only want him gone for what we think is a good price, that I would expect.

Ps id go for someone like Icardi on loan. He isnt as good but he is a decent finisher.

I'm not saying we will sign an elite striker to replace Kane, but someone like Vlahovic or Martinez, whilst a risk are still very talented attacking talent and as good as we could hope for, so I'm ok with that. The club is doing it's best. What I'm saying though, is selling Kane and not being able to replace with adequate talent is completely sabotaging any chance of sporting success this season.

The club has to get into the top 4, or make a proper fist of it, it's imperative for our business model. The club can't leave itself short this season by selling Kane and then we end up signing some average striker like a Janssen or Vinicius, just kiss goodbye to any chance of top 4.

So for me unless we have top talent lined up, and I don't think we do, the club should refuse all offers. The path we go down should be what gives us the best chance of CL? and for me that is now looking like keeping Kane (without being privy to our transfer dealings, but from what we know it isn't looking hopeful).

 

[hamsup_sotong]

out of curiosity, what is his loyalty payment %? 10%?

 

[SpartanSpur]

There is still a massive factor if he stays - dressing room atmosphere. He has shown a huge disrespect to Nuno not even coming back from holidays to speak with him. He has shown a huge disrespect to his teammates. He has provided pressure for a team and Nuno with all this neverending talks about his transfer in the media. Also it's clear that provocative posts from Son and Dier were pointed at him. I know they are professionals but it's surely not good to keep a player who clearly stated that he doesn't want to be here because the team doesn't match his ambitions.
Also. Will Son make a pass to H during our attacks? Will the team celebrate H's goals with him? Will H celebrate goals of his teammates? Will there be some conflicts during the training sessions? There are many questions about this.

I agree with all this. The question is whether it's worth giving Man City a massive discount on the best striker in the league to avoid this. All the while our list of replacements is dwindling. That is a very tough call to make and I'm siding with Levy thus far.

 

[tiger666]

out of curiosity, what is his loyalty payment %? 10%?

How would anyone know? It's part of a private contract signed 3 years ago.

 

[Aphex]

There is still a massive factor if he stays - dressing room atmosphere. He has shown a huge disrespect to Nuno not even coming back from holidays to speak with him. He has shown a huge disrespect to his teammates. He has provided pressure for a team and Nuno with all this neverending talks about his transfer in the media. Also it's clear that provocative posts from Son and Dier were pointed at him. I know they are professionals but it's surely not good to keep a player who clearly stated that he doesn't want to be here because the team doesn't match his ambitions.
Also. Will Son make a pass to H during our attacks? Will the team celebrate H's goals with him? Will H celebrate goals of his teammates? Will there be some conflicts during the training sessions? There are many questions about this.

I think they are pro's and it will be just fine. Kane won't kick off, he will get his head down and all will be forgotten. People said the same about Modric and it was fine. Nuno will welcome him back, reintegrate him and motivate him and build a relationship etc

 

[hamsup_sotong]

I agree with all this. The question is whether it's worth giving Man City a massive discount on the best striker in the league to avoid this. All the while our list of replacements is dwindling. That is a very tough call to make and I'm siding with Levy thus far.

not a tough call at all. Baldy will rinse them or keep him. You think a selfish prick like kane wouldn't try to win things and score goals? it's not in his self serving interest to tank the next season or the ones after. It's a win win for baldy. The moment that 6 yr deal was signed without a clause. Baldy won.

 

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[N17NBL]

This whole situation is the equivalent of a 5 year old playing a video game which is just too difficult for him. He really wants to beat the game but he just can’t and he throws his controller to the floor and starts crying.

Then his awkward brother comes in to see what the fuss is all about, puts his arm around young Harry and says “don’t cry bro, we can just change the settings to easy mode, then you can win and be happy!”

 

[EQP]

I think they are pro's and it will be just fine. Kane won't kick off, he will get his head down and all will be forgotten. People said the same about Modric and it was fine.

Yeah, with a WC next year, he's going to want to impress and do his best to keep his form up.

 

[Trent Crimm]

out of curiosity, what is his loyalty payment %? 10%?

Hi Charlie ?

 

[Lighty64]

well after reading that Telegraph article, I did notice 1 part unreal. I watched that interview and never actually heard the words "I want to leave".

also I'm sure if he sat down with Levy last summer and had this so called "gentlemans agreement" if Levy was to have said yes, I'm sure he would have told him "providing we receive the right offer".

in his interview he mentioned £100 mil, and Neville laughed it off with a "more likely starting with a 2", which Kane laughed. For his brother to then blab to a reporter that the deal has been done at £160m then perhaps Kane if he has any anger it should be towards his brother because he has put the bounty on his brothers head, and a lot nearer his actual value to the club.

in that article he also said "successful years", if we have been successful then surely there must have been a trophy somewhere. going to City isn't showing ambition, going to City is as good as strengthening a guaranteed trophy or 6.

edit: also if you are that desperate to move you put in a transfer request, and a statement to the fans it's because he wants to win trophies and get an extra 200k PW

 

[robotsonic]

If we keep him, I don't really have any issues with dressing room atmosphere. We don't have a manager anymore who's willing to fellate egos, and we don't have Daniel Levy in charge of the football side of the club, or at least so we currently believe.

The team at the weekend looked if anything galvanised by the situation, and we've had ITK that says that Nuno doesn't want him around. If he stays, I doubt he'll be near the PL first team squad for a while until he's toeing the company line and doing everything that he has to, to the letter, to get into the team.

And if his move isn't coming, he'll get his actual professional head back on, because missing 10 odd games throwing a strop before a world cup as England captain, and chasing his goal records, is not on brand and serves him nothing at all.