Harry Kane

[wadewill]

Jenas is right and it’s just delusion and rose tinted glasses to claim otherwise.

Kane has not delivered the goods in finals ever in his career. That’s just a fact. He’s obviously capable of it and a brilliant player.

But let’s be honest - in the biggest moments he (and unfortunately, his teammates around him) has not done much.
Basically we at Spurs haven’t won anything so why are we acting like our players are good at winning important matches? If they were we wouldn’t still be trophyless, would we fuck.

I do agree with this

Kane is an incredible player, one of the very best to play from Tottenham Hotspur

However he is one of the few constants through the years of nearly, nearly. Now it’s looking the same with England, it can’t be dismissed as a coincidence

But it is also probably partly because of the players around him not being quite up to it

I really, really hope this fires him up for the rest of the season

Thought he did better the more that WC went on, he was great against France

 

[danielneeds]

I do agree with this

Kane is an incredible player, one of the very best to play from Tottenham Hotspur

However he is one of the few constants through the years of nearly, nearly. Now it’s looking the same with England, it can’t be dismissed as a coincidence

But it is also probably partly because of the players around him not being quite up to it

I really, really hope this fires him up for the rest of the season

Thought he did better the more that WC went on, he was great against France

Ultimately in “big” matches against really good teams they’ll pay special attention to him knowing that nobody else at Spurs can produce what he can. It was pretty much the same with England the last few years, stop Kane, and stop all the creativity. That may change with Bellingham, Saka and others emerging.

 

[Spartan Spurs]

In regards to the missed penalty.

In that circumstance, I don't believe any England player would have wanted someone other than Harry to be standing at the spot with the ball. FWIW, Kane has a better success rate from the spot than two current giants of the game. Possibly of all time.

Harry's discipline at improving all aspects of his game has provided him with the self confidence to continually accept the responsibility of moments such as this.

Imagine the magnitude of that instant staring at the net.
Less than 10 mins left in a knockout match.
Up against the defending champions.
Expectations for the NT were highest they had been in decades.
Billions of eyes & their hopes set on you.
And all those previous failures England experienced weighing heavily as a looming curse as well (particularly from the spot).
The ghosts of passed England legends having failed at a similar juncture.

Then factor in the extra layer of the psychological matchup within that moment.
It was massive given he was up against the one keeper who probably knew him better than anyone else. Not just once, but twice.

He didn't execute the 2nd one.
Is it forgivable?
Is it understandable?
I'd say a big YES to both.
There's no shame in what transpired.

The shame lies with those small minded 'England fans' piling on him.

Having said all that, the scenario would have been even more intriguing if he had scored & then the game went to pens.
Surely Kane & Lloris would have been involved again.
How would a 3rd attempt have looked?

Let's not forget, that in a microcosm of the game, the difference came down to two Spurs players going head to head. Both captains of their NT sides. Says a great deal for Spurs.

 

[Monkey boy]

Can I ask - does any of this even matter?

life in general??

 

[jay2040]

In regards to the missed penalty.

In that circumstance, I don't believe any England player would have wanted someone other than Harry to be standing at the spot with the ball. FWIW, Kane has a better success rate from the spot than two current giants of the game. Possibly of all time.

Harry's discipline at improving all aspects of his game has provided him with the self confidence to continually accept the responsibility of moments such as this.

Imagine the magnitude of that instant staring at the net.
Less than 10 mins left in a knockout match.
Up against the defending champions.
Expectations for the NT were highest they had been in decades.
Billions of eyes & their hopes set on you.
And all those previous failures England experienced weighing heavily as a looming curse as well (particularly from the spot).
The ghosts of passed England legends having failed at a similar juncture.

Then factor in the extra layer of the psychological matchup within that moment.
It was massive given he was up against the one keeper who probably knew him better than anyone else. Not just once, but twice.

He didn't execute the 2nd one.
Is it forgivable?
Is it understandable?
I'd say a big YES to both.
There's no shame in what transpired.

The shame lies with those small minded 'England fans' piling on him.

Having said all that, the scenario would have been even more intriguing if he had scored & then the game went to pens.
Surely Kane & Lloris would have been involved again.
How would a 3rd attempt have looked?

Let's not forget, that in a microcosm of the game, the difference came down to two Spurs players going head to head. Both captains of their NT sides. Says a great deal for Spurs.

Agree with general point you making. I think being up against some one who knows hime too well may have have been a factor to consider though insignificant now as we will welcome him back with open arms.
Also hope one of our squad comes back with a winners medal!

 

[C0YS]

I do agree with this

Kane is an incredible player, one of the very best to play from Tottenham Hotspur

However he is one of the few constants through the years of nearly, nearly. Now it’s looking the same with England, it can’t be dismissed as a coincidence

But it is also probably partly because of the players around him not being quite up to it

I really, really hope this fires him up for the rest of the season

Thought he did better the more that WC went on, he was great against France

Yeah but people generally overstate the big games thing for most players. Ronaldo has rarely performed his best in the semi finals and finals of competitions, nor has Messi for that matter. They have had great semi finals and finals mind, but that's just statistically going to be the case.

The thing is. It's not unusual. When you realise that most of the even best strikers record dramatically decreases against top teams you start to realise that the top games are harder to play against and therefore, harder to score or impress in. It's just the way it is. Particularly for strikers who get much fewer touches than any other outfield players.

It's very easy to say. Person doesn't show up in big games. But the point is each player is less likely to show up in a big game. A lot of the time people look at Kane vs Liverpool in the CL or Kane Vs man city in our last final, and can not showing up.

But the reality is kane had very little to work with in both those games, he could have done better in both of course but the point is you have less opportunities to do something, and genuinely in both of those games you could have anyone upfront and they'd struggle. But that's not unusual in top games at all.

You can maybe point to a pattern, you can't really point that out in the France game. Because he played well, had the nerve to take and score a penalty already. Second penalties in those situations are very tough and every player can miss any penalty. In fact there is a 30% chance you miss it anyway. Kane's rate is much better than that but the point is penalty misses are a normal part of the game, and maybe it's best not to read too much into it, especially because Kane tends to score high pressure penalties.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Teddy won nothing with us
Carrick won nothing with us
Berbatov won nothing with us - ok he won a league cup!
Modric won nothing with us
Bale won nothing with us
Walker won nothing with us

They left and won everything - great players, fantastic mentalities just like Harry

These arguments about Kane this and Kane that are bollox - if he’d been born in Madrid or Manchester he’d have won 50 trophies by now

Poor ****, leave him alone. He’s got enough problems!

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

England were hot favourites to win the Euro final just like they were in the semi final against Croatia that they lost. We were hot favourites against Man Utd in the semi final, even more so having been a goal up inside 5 mins and you could argue we were favourites against Chelsea in the semi final after the starting line ups had been announced and Conte rested most of his big hitters. The narrative that he doesn't turn up in big games is nonsense as there are countless games that he's stepped up in, he's the top scorer in NLD's, he's scored against EVERY Premier League club he's ever faced and has a better Champions League goalscoring ratio then most "top strikers". However the fact remains that he has never taken that extra step to drag a team over the line. Would love it if he did just that in May in either the FA Cup or Champions League.

Also Jenas remark regarding Rooney being unquestionably better than Kane, that's also a load of nonsense.

Sorry to be pedantic, but he's missing Brentford from his set.

 

[Romulus]

Sorry to be pedantic, but he's missing Brentford from his set.

that'll be sorted in a couple weeks

 

[PrettyColors]

Honest question as I’m up thinking about this. What big cup matches/league matches with a lot on the line has Kane stepped up for us in? Not group stages or early in the season, I mean real do or die matches. I honestly am coming up a bit blank.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Honest question as I’m up thinking about this. What big cup matches/league matches with a lot on the line has Kane stepped up for us in? Not group stages or early in the season, I mean real do or die matches. I honestly am coming up a bit blank.

How many 'big matches' would spurs have played, without kane?

How many players in total, in important matches, for spurs, have played in those games?

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Honest question as I’m up thinking about this. What big cup matches/league matches with a lot on the line has Kane stepped up for us in? Not group stages or early in the season, I mean real do or die matches. I honestly am coming up a bit blank.

Arsenal last season? Chelsea FA Cup semi a few years back he scored a brilliant header. You can’t expect him to do it all on his own.

 

[spurs mental]

Honest question as I’m up thinking about this. What big cup matches/league matches with a lot on the line has Kane stepped up for us in? Not group stages or early in the season, I mean real do or die matches. I honestly am coming up a bit blank.

Off the top of my head, he's scored in more NLDs than anyone else has. He must have almost a goal a game v them or at least a goal involvement every game.

Burnley last season when we had to win less than 72 hours after the NLD he put away a high pressure penalty.

He scored a penalty at the Kop minutes after missing a penalty at the same end.

He was having a great game v City in the QF of the CL before he got injured. He scored away to put us 4 up on aggregate in the same season at Dortmund.

Chelsea away in 2016 he was running Chelsea ragged before Clattenburg allowed Chelsea kick us off the pitch and themselves back into the game.

He can't do it all on his own either, it requires more than one player to get over the line, however he can stand out, and its pretty clear he does. The problem is in big games he gets more attention and the others around him haven't stepped up accordingly.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

It saddens me to see Spurs fans having a pop at him for this. IMO It belittles his achievements, his ability and his record. The man is on the cusp of becoming our clubs greatest ever goalscorer (not to mention England's too) and I don't understand or agree this criticism at all

 

[easley91]

Honest question as I’m up thinking about this. What big cup matches/league matches with a lot on the line has Kane stepped up for us in? Not group stages or early in the season, I mean real do or die matches. I honestly am coming up a bit blank.

Arsenal last season. City away last season.

 

[Gb160]

Arsenal last season. City away last season.

If you don't count any of the big games where he did turn up, he doesn't turn up in many.

I'm struggling to think of even one.

 

[JeremyPaxton]

It saddens me to see Spurs fans having a pop at him for this. IMO It belittles his achievements, his ability and his record. The man is on the cusp of becoming our clubs greatest ever goalscorer (not to mention England's too) and I don't understand or agree this criticism at all

I said he was in my Top 50 of all time! And said he’s so elite we should be comparing him to Messi.

please don’t use the banstick on me! ?

 

[dace]

I think we will all 100% realise what we had/have when Kane leaves.

 

[Legacy]

I think we will all 100% realise what we had/have when Kane leaves.

I think it's honestly crazy the amount of criticism he gets.

England's top goal scorer of all time
England's top goal scorer in major tournaments
Will eventually be the Premier League's top goal scorer of all time
Premier League's top goal scorer in away games
Soon to be Tottenham's top goal scorer of all time
Tottenham's top goal scorer in Europe
Top goal scorer in the North London Derby
Top goal scorer in general London derbies

Since becoming Tottenham's first choice striker in the 14/15 season, his worst goal scoring record of 24 goals in 17/18 and 18/19 (when he missed 3 months of both seasons through injury) has only been beaten 3 times in the past 30 years by Bale (26 in 12/13), Klinsmann (29 in 94/95) and Sheringham (28 in 92/93).

Yeah, Kane's the problem.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

I think it's honestly crazy the amount of criticism he gets.

England's top goal scorer of all time
England's top goal scorer in major tournaments
Will eventually be the Premier League's top goal scorer of all time
Premier League's top goal scorer in away games
Soon to be Tottenham's top goal scorer of all time
Tottenham's top goal scorer in Europe
Top goal scorer in the North London Derby
Top goal scorer in general London derbies

Since becoming Tottenham's first choice striker in the 14/15 season, his worst goal scoring record of 24 goals in 17/18 and 18/19 (when he missed 3 months of both seasons through injury) has only been beaten 3 times in the past 30 years by Bale (26 in 12/13), Klinsmann (29 in 94/95) and Sheringham (28 in 92/93).

Yeah, Kane's the problem.

I'm not sure any sane Spurs fan thinks Kane is the problem or a problem at all... the general discourse is around his impact in the one off big games, yes plenty of other players haven't performed in these one off games but most of them had the luxury of a full trophy cabinet whereas Harry is desperate to lift the monkey off his back (which could possibly contribute to his performances in these games)

I doubt we see the likes of Harry in a Spurs shirt for another lifetime and it is going to be painful for many years to come if/when he leaves, the fact he is unlikely to have won anything in a Spurs shirt with all his goals and accolades honestly makes me feel sick.