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robotsonic

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Are we really shaping the squad for our new manager to the best of our ability?

Or are we doing the usual approach, identifying opportunistic purchases with higher ceilings for maximising profit?

It's the latter, unfortunately.

The more transfer windows that pass, the more it's exposed.
Is the suggestion here that we're looking to buy players with high ceilings that we can sell on at a good value later, and that's the clubs typical MO? Because...I'm not sure that's something we've been able to do for about a million years!
 

Ghost Hardware

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Some won’t agree but if we could get a favourable deal for Vlahovic that is where I would be going.
Tbh I’ve given up hoping we would spend a large amount on a CF if Kane leaves. I just think there’s next to no chance we keep Richy as a back up and I don’t see us spending big on someone to compete with him.
 

soflapaul

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30+ shots against West Ham and Shakthar. 14 shots against Barca with our B team and still having 45% possession. (would love to see the interceptions in the final and middle third for these games compared to the last few years). I have zero worry about the team with Richy leading the line against the bottom half of the table. We'll create wave after wave of chances and Richy will be a poacher, he'll stretch the defense, he'll pressure the defenders in giving up the ball in their third, he'll occupy their mentality and he'll draw fouls. We're perfectly fine with him for half to two thirds of the table because we will be playing a volume game.

The challenge will be against those teams that restrict our chances and dominate possession. That's where being clinical is critical and where Kane excels and Richy hasn't to date. The most important reason to keep Kane is to challenge the top teams in the league. Without Kane, i can't imagine us challenging for the Top 4/5 unless we bring in a top CB and even then, it would be tough. We're giving away too much on the far post and it's not clear what tactics can be done to reduce that risk.
 

cliff jones

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I don't think it'd make a difference, people seem to fall for the "he needs to win trophies" line and that the odd cup would solve that.

I think it's more a case that he wants to be in a team realistically challenging for top honours year in year out.
Who’s done this apart from City in our home league? A 12th Bundesliga crown in a row of first FA Cup with your boyhood club since 91?
 

fecka

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Veliz and Scarlett need to go on loan
Scarlett, yes. I wouldn't send Veliz on loan as I believe should be taken care of at the club and adapt to England before being shipped out, IMO. Otherwise we'd likely just be asking for trouble in terms of him settling.
 

codspur

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Anyone reckon we could buy this fella off of Wrexham and send him to Bayern 🤷‍♂️
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Between Richi, Veliz and Scarlett - I think we have enough to cover the forward position this season, with Veliz and Scarlett the longer-term options. So I would be thinking long-term at RW and LW.

I can tell a lot of people still don't understand Ange's tactics, and the fact that we don't have to rely on a single player to have a moment of brilliance to score goals.

The CF position is as much about energy and effort in this system as it is about scoring goals. The wing positions require more technical skill than the CF - who is really more of a poacher in this system, which is different than what we are used to seeing from Kane - who has had to create his own scoring opportunities for so long.

If you look at both of Skippy's goals from yesterday - you would see that both goals are a direct result of Richarlison's play.

In the first goal - Richarlison makes a run to the near post, drawing the defender, and leaving the space wide open for Lo Celso's shot off the post - Skippy then follows in unobstructed for the goal.

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In the second goal, Richarlison is again crashing in front of the goal, taking the attention from both CBs, leaving Skippy to beat his midfielder for an open header.

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Richarlison won't be on the scoresheet for either goal - but he was doing this job, and that created scoring opportunities for others.



Veliz is tailor made for the poachers role - as seen in his highlights from Argentina. We are not sending him on loan, so we should be providing him with minutes off the bench to ensure we continue with a high octane attack for 90 minutes. I also think Scarlett is ready for a bigger role - and not on loan. If we send him on loan, it would need to be to a similar style attack - so that he can prepare properly, but I am not sure where that would be. He looks fit enough to do the dirty work in the PL if called upon.

And, I think Son is probably a better fit as a striker in this system than a winger - so he provides even more cover this season if Kane leaves. What we lack, more than cover for the striker position, is a long-term solution at winger. We currently have Solomon - who I like. But, we should have another winger who is very technical and capable of beating a man. That would be a better use of money than buying a younger striker who could potentially block Veliz and Scarlett.
 

mil1lion

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We already have Perisic, Soloman, Son, Gil and Kulusevski for wide attack. I would rather a centre forward if Kane leaves. Its about having as many opportunities to score goals as possible. We can imagine where the goals will come from but you're still losing 30 goals with Kane gone. At this moment in time we have that 30 goal striker along with the same players we have now. Sell Kane and not replacing with someone capable of at least 15 goals is a big risk for me.
 

dvdhopeful

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I can tell a lot of people still don't understand Ange's tactics, and the fact that we don't have to rely on a single player to have a moment of brilliance to score goals.

The CF position is as much about energy and effort in this system as it is about scoring goals. The wing positions require more technical skill than the CF - who is really more of a poacher in this system, which is different than what we are used to seeing from Kane - who has had to create his own scoring opportunities for so long.

If you look at both of Skippy's goals from yesterday - you would see that both goals are a direct result of Richarlison's play.

In the first goal - Richarlison makes a run to the near post, drawing the defender, and leaving the space wide open for Lo Celso's shot off the post - Skippy then follows in unobstructed for the goal.

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In the second goal, Richarlison is again crashing in front of the goal, taking the attention from both CBs, leaving Skippy to beat his midfielder for an open header.

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Richarlison won't be on the scoresheet for either goal - but he was doing this job, and that created scoring opportunities for others.



Veliz is tailor made for the poachers role - as seen in his highlights from Argentina. We are not sending him on loan, so we should be providing him with minutes off the bench to ensure we continue with a high octane attack for 90 minutes. I also think Scarlett is ready for a bigger role - and not on loan. If we send him on loan, it would need to be to a similar style attack - so that he can prepare properly, but I am not sure where that would be. He looks fit enough to do the dirty work in the PL if called upon.

And, I think Son is probably a better fit as a striker in this system than a winger - so he provides even more cover this season if Kane leaves. What we lack, more than cover for the striker position, is a long-term solution at winger. We currently have Solomon - who I like. But, we should have another winger who is very technical and capable of beating a man. That would be a better use of money than buying a younger striker who could potentially block Veliz and Scarlett.
I clearly don't understand Ange's tactics, didn't read your reply past the first paragraph, probably wouldn't understand it anyway, right?

Anyway, I'd presume that Ange's tactics, anyone's tactics really, would benefit from having a striker that guarantees goals? Something Richarlison just doesn't.

Veliz and Scarlett are totally untested so yea, those three as our strikers for the season, just no.
 

Ginola+Tonic

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I can tell a lot of people still don't understand Ange's tactics, and the fact that we don't have to rely on a single player to have a moment of brilliance to score goals.

The CF position is as much about energy and effort in this system as it is about scoring goals. The wing positions require more technical skill than the CF - who is really more of a poacher in this system, which is different than what we are used to seeing from Kane - who has had to create his own scoring opportunities for so long.

If you look at both of Skippy's goals from yesterday - you would see that both goals are a direct result of Richarlison's play.

In the first goal - Richarlison makes a run to the near post, drawing the defender, and leaving the space wide open for Lo Celso's shot off the post - Skippy then follows in unobstructed for the goal.

View attachment 130257

In the second goal, Richarlison is again crashing in front of the goal, taking the attention from both CBs, leaving Skippy to beat his midfielder for an open header.

View attachment 130258


Richarlison won't be on the scoresheet for either goal - but he was doing this job, and that created scoring opportunities for others.



Veliz is tailor made for the poachers role - as seen in his highlights from Argentina. We are not sending him on loan, so we should be providing him with minutes off the bench to ensure we continue with a high octane attack for 90 minutes. I also think Scarlett is ready for a bigger role - and not on loan. If we send him on loan, it would need to be to a similar style attack - so that he can prepare properly, but I am not sure where that would be. He looks fit enough to do the dirty work in the PL if called upon.

And, I think Son is probably a better fit as a striker in this system than a winger - so he provides even more cover this season if Kane leaves. What we lack, more than cover for the striker position, is a long-term solution at winger. We currently have Solomon - who I like. But, we should have another winger who is very technical and capable of beating a man. That would be a better use of money than buying a younger striker who could potentially block Veliz and Scarlett.
I think everyone can see the system and tactics of what we’d want to do.

It’s more none of those three are anywhere near good enough for where we want to be.

Veliz has had 1 year playing in Argentina.
Scarlett couldn’t break into league one Portsmouth team last season.
Richarlison has been hugely underwhelming and gets injured often.

If those were the 3 strikers we went with this season the drop off would be huge.

The copium here is off the scale.
 

kmk

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I can tell a lot of people still don't understand Ange's tactics, and the fact that we don't have to rely on a single player to have a moment of brilliance to score goals.

The CF position is as much about energy and effort in this system as it is about scoring goals. The wing positions require more technical skill than the CF - who is really more of a poacher in this system, which is different than what we are used to seeing from Kane - who has had to create his own scoring opportunities for so long.

If you look at both of Skippy's goals from yesterday - you would see that both goals are a direct result of Richarlison's play.

In the first goal - Richarlison makes a run to the near post, drawing the defender, and leaving the space wide open for Lo Celso's shot off the post - Skippy then follows in unobstructed for the goal.

View attachment 130257

In the second goal, Richarlison is again crashing in front of the goal, taking the attention from both CBs, leaving Skippy to beat his midfielder for an open header.

View attachment 130258


Richarlison won't be on the scoresheet for either goal - but he was doing this job, and that created scoring opportunities for others.



Veliz is tailor made for the poachers role - as seen in his highlights from Argentina. We are not sending him on loan, so we should be providing him with minutes off the bench to ensure we continue with a high octane attack for 90 minutes. I also think Scarlett is ready for a bigger role - and not on loan. If we send him on loan, it would need to be to a similar style attack - so that he can prepare properly, but I am not sure where that would be. He looks fit enough to do the dirty work in the PL if called upon.

And, I think Son is probably a better fit as a striker in this system than a winger - so he provides even more cover this season if Kane leaves. What we lack, more than cover for the striker position, is a long-term solution at winger. We currently have Solomon - who I like. But, we should have another winger who is very technical and capable of beating a man. That would be a better use of money than buying a younger striker who could potentially block Veliz and Scarlett.
FFS, I was pressing the play button.
 
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