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sloth

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A series of reports in today's newspapers picking up from Harry's press conference yesterday. This one from the Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...wn-to-size-by-redknapps-sarcasm-2144836.html?

Harry Redknapp needed no second invitation yesterday to criticise the record of Liverpool's new director of football strategy Damien Comolli, the former Tottenham Hotspur man whose squad Redknapp inherited two years earlier with the club bottom of the Premier League.

In his first six months at the club, Redknapp often bemoaned the state of a squad that he would describe as a "mish-mash" and imbalanced after more than three years under Comolli's control. Should Redknapp venture into the directors' lounge at White Hart Lane tomorrow ahead of Spurs' game against Liverpool he will have a good chance of bumping into the architect of that squad.


Yesterday it was with heavy sarcasm that Redknapp responded to the suggestion that Comolli should be given some credit for the signings he brought in from September 2005 until October 2008 when he was sacked and Redknapp installed.

"Yeah, I think he should take all the credit, for sure," Redknapp said. "They were all doing well when I arrived, you know? They were all good; they were all great. There have been a few, again, that weren't so great. There were some quality players here. He brought an awful lot of players in; a lot have gone. A lot are still here that were very good. There's some talent here, for sure."

Comolli brought around 30 players to the club with mixed results and little accountability until the wheels came off in 2008. His era included the signings of a range of players from Gareth Bale to Tomas Pekhart, and with the subsequent success of the likes of Bale and Luka Modric there have been moves recently to re-evaluate Comolli's contribution to Spurs in a more favourable light.

However, for all the credit he might claim for the likes of Bale, Dimitar Berbatov, Benoit Assou-Ekotto, Heurelho Gomes and Younes Kaboul there remains a good deal of scepticism at the club itself. Privately it is pointed out that Bale, for instance, was hardly a secret at Southampton and that it was in fact chairman Daniel Levy who was the prime mover behind many of the key deals.

What does frustrate many football figures about Comolli is his willingness to talk up his own track record, especially during his time as a scout at Arsenal. Arsène Wenger was withering about claims that Comolli discovered Thierry Henry at Monaco and was also responsible for finding Kolo Touré and Emmanuel Eboué.

"He [Comolli] was a scout here," Wenger said on Thursday. "He was not director of football. He worked under [Arsenal chief scout] Steve Rowley. Only one person decides who comes in here and that is me. You can write what you want. I gave Henry a start at [the age of] 17 [when Wenger was Monaco manager]."

Rowley has credited Comolli with the discovery of Gaël Clichy but no other player during his time at Arsenal. Typically the question of who takes credit at any given club for discovering a good player is fraught with claim and counter-claim. For every Bale, Comolli also has a Ricardo Rocha or Didier Zokora. Nevertheless, he has been handed a similarly influential job at Liverpool.

Given that Redknapp was once a director of football himself at Portsmouth 10 years ago, working with the then-manager Graham Rix whom he eventually succeeded, he remains staunchly opposed to the practice in English clubs. "I think it's difficult. It happens on the continent and some managers do work that way," he said. "They're happy to have a job and they get on and do what's asked of them, and what they're told, basically. But it wouldn't be for me. I wouldn't fancy it.

"I don't know what the rules are [at Liverpool]. Roy [Hodgson] is a strong character. He's obviously got good knowledge, Damien. He knows the French scene especially, and he's got a big scouting network. In fact, we just lost our French scout, who is excellent. He's just gone to Liverpool. That was Steve Hitchen. He was very, very good. We liked him a lot. He would have been our main scout abroad.

"He's got a big network there, Damien Comolli, obviously in France and abroad. And if he can work with Roy and they discuss, which I'm sure they will, who they're going to bring in, then it's not such a problem, perhaps. They may get on great together."

It was the summer of 2008 that Comolli's transfer strategy at Spurs went awry which, combined with the struggles of Juande Ramos, the manager he had advised Levy appoint, weakened his position. David Bentley, for £15m represents the least value for money among that group, although Modric, Roman Pavlyuchenko and Gomes could all be regarded as successes.

Comolli, who was brought back from St Etienne, had a close relationship with New England Sports Ventures before they acquired Liverpool last month. Redknapp said yesterday that he would only accept working in an environment when he alone was responsible for the club's signings.

Redknapp said: "I just think that if you're going to sign players, unless you're working with someone that you're sure that you want to work with and you know well and you're happy with the situation, it's difficult. Unless you've got a great relationship and you discuss everything and, at the end of the day, you have the final word then that's great.

"But if people are just going to dump players on you and you're the manager and you don't know the players – they're not your signings – there's only one person in the end that suffers and that's you as the manager

"Because someone's going to give you a full-back or whatever and you think, 'He's crap, I don't fancy him', you're lumbered with him. Suddenly, you've spent £8m, £10m or whatever. People only look at you; they don't think, 'Well, it wasn't his decision'. I'd find it difficult.

"I discussed that when I came and spoke to Daniel [Levy about the Spurs job]. But he knew that anyway before he even really met me to talk about the job, that I needed to be able to do my own thing and, if I made a mess of it, then I'd accept the consequences. But I want to make my own decisions: if they're wrong then it's down to me. I'll be the one that goes; I accept that."
 

louisg

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A series of reports in today's newspapers picking up from Harry's press conference yesterday. This one from the Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...wn-to-size-by-redknapps-sarcasm-2144836.html?

Harry Redknapp needed no second invitation yesterday to criticise the record of Liverpool's new director of football strategy Damien Comolli, the former Tottenham Hotspur man whose squad Redknapp inherited two years earlier with the club bottom of the Premier League.

In his first six months at the club, Redknapp often bemoaned the state of a squad that he would describe as a "mish-mash" and imbalanced after more than three years under Comolli's control. Should Redknapp venture into the directors' lounge at White Hart Lane tomorrow ahead of Spurs' game against Liverpool he will have a good chance of bumping into the architect of that squad.


Yesterday it was with heavy sarcasm that Redknapp responded to the suggestion that Comolli should be given some credit for the signings he brought in from September 2005 until October 2008 when he was sacked and Redknapp installed.

"Yeah, I think he should take all the credit, for sure," Redknapp said. "They were all doing well when I arrived, you know? They were all good; they were all great. There have been a few, again, that weren't so great. There were some quality players here. He brought an awful lot of players in; a lot have gone. A lot are still here that were very good. There's some talent here, for sure."

Comolli brought around 30 players to the club with mixed results and little accountability until the wheels came off in 2008. His era included the signings of a range of players from Gareth Bale to Tomas Pekhart, and with the subsequent success of the likes of Bale and Luka Modric there have been moves recently to re-evaluate Comolli's contribution to Spurs in a more favourable light.

However, for all the credit he might claim for the likes of Bale, Dimitar Berbatov, Benoit Assou-Ekotto, Heurelho Gomes and Younes Kaboul there remains a good deal of scepticism at the club itself. Privately it is pointed out that Bale, for instance, was hardly a secret at Southampton and that it was in fact chairman Daniel Levy who was the prime mover behind many of the key deals.

What does frustrate many football figures about Comolli is his willingness to talk up his own track record, especially during his time as a scout at Arsenal. Arsène Wenger was withering about claims that Comolli discovered Thierry Henry at Monaco and was also responsible for finding Kolo Touré and Emmanuel Eboué.

"He [Comolli] was a scout here," Wenger said on Thursday. "He was not director of football. He worked under [Arsenal chief scout] Steve Rowley. Only one person decides who comes in here and that is me. You can write what you want. I gave Henry a start at [the age of] 17 [when Wenger was Monaco manager]."

Rowley has credited Comolli with the discovery of Gaël Clichy but no other player during his time at Arsenal. Typically the question of who takes credit at any given club for discovering a good player is fraught with claim and counter-claim. For every Bale, Comolli also has a Ricardo Rocha or Didier Zokora. Nevertheless, he has been handed a similarly influential job at Liverpool.

Given that Redknapp was once a director of football himself at Portsmouth 10 years ago, working with the then-manager Graham Rix whom he eventually succeeded, he remains staunchly opposed to the practice in English clubs. "I think it's difficult. It happens on the continent and some managers do work that way," he said. "They're happy to have a job and they get on and do what's asked of them, and what they're told, basically. But it wouldn't be for me. I wouldn't fancy it.

"I don't know what the rules are [at Liverpool]. Roy [Hodgson] is a strong character. He's obviously got good knowledge, Damien. He knows the French scene especially, and he's got a big scouting network. In fact, we just lost our French scout, who is excellent. He's just gone to Liverpool. That was Steve Hitchen. He was very, very good. We liked him a lot. He would have been our main scout abroad.

"He's got a big network there, Damien Comolli, obviously in France and abroad. And if he can work with Roy and they discuss, which I'm sure they will, who they're going to bring in, then it's not such a problem, perhaps. They may get on great together."

It was the summer of 2008 that Comolli's transfer strategy at Spurs went awry which, combined with the struggles of Juande Ramos, the manager he had advised Levy appoint, weakened his position. David Bentley, for £15m represents the least value for money among that group, although Modric, Roman Pavlyuchenko and Gomes could all be regarded as successes.

Comolli, who was brought back from St Etienne, had a close relationship with New England Sports Ventures before they acquired Liverpool last month. Redknapp said yesterday that he would only accept working in an environment when he alone was responsible for the club's signings.

Redknapp said: "I just think that if you're going to sign players, unless you're working with someone that you're sure that you want to work with and you know well and you're happy with the situation, it's difficult. Unless you've got a great relationship and you discuss everything and, at the end of the day, you have the final word then that's great.

"But if people are just going to dump players on you and you're the manager and you don't know the players – they're not your signings – there's only one person in the end that suffers and that's you as the manager

"Because someone's going to give you a full-back or whatever and you think, 'He's crap, I don't fancy him', you're lumbered with him. Suddenly, you've spent £8m, £10m or whatever. People only look at you; they don't think, 'Well, it wasn't his decision'. I'd find it difficult.

"I discussed that when I came and spoke to Daniel [Levy about the Spurs job]. But he knew that anyway before he even really met me to talk about the job, that I needed to be able to do my own thing and, if I made a mess of it, then I'd accept the consequences. But I want to make my own decisions: if they're wrong then it's down to me. I'll be the one that goes; I accept that."

Brilliant find slothy, interesting to find we have lost a scout who Harry rates highly to Liverpool, you don't really get to hear about our scouts that much.
 

sloth

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Anyone else wish he'd just shut the fuck up? Probably not, I know many of you probably agree, but ghe really fucking annoys me with this shit, if he hasn't got something good to say then don't say anything. It's not difficult. But it's the shitty heavy sarcasm that really gets me...

Anyway, onto the meat of his argument. How many players who played against Arsenal or Werder were signed before Harry's arrival at the club?

Pav, Defoe, Lennon, Bale, Modric, Jenas, Lennon, BAE, Kaboul, Hutton and Gomes.

How many since?

Palacios, Gallas and Crouch.

How many rubbish Commolli players did he sign from us when he was at Portsmouth?

How many Commoli players who didn't make the grade were sold on at a profit?

Now I'm not saying the Frenchman was amazing or anything, but he doesn't deserve Harry's withering put-down.

Then we hear that we've lost our top European scout, the man we'd ear-marked to be in charge of European operations to... Commoli at Liverpool. Why didn't he want to stay with us?

Anyway sometimes, like I say, I wish he'd just keep his mouth closed.
 

sim0n

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I H8 Comoli even more now:

He knows the French scene especially, and he's got a big scouting network. In fact, we just lost our French scout, who is excellent. He's just gone to Liverpool. That was Steve Hitchen. He was very, very good. We liked him a lot. He would have been our main scout abroad.

little thieving B@$T@RD0 :violin:
 

NEVILLEB

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Replacing Carrick for Zokora was a complete f**k up

Harry needs to make a special signing soon
 
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In Harry's defence, he did mildly credit Comolli with leaving him with some quality, which Harry has seen and realised this potential. Bale, Modric, BAE and Gomes were not exactly pulling up tress when Harry arrived, but over time and good management Harry has got the best out of this group. Comolli, maybe able to spot talent, but Harry has a knack of getting the best out of them.

Harry or Comolli.... No debate, Harry every time, but I still believe Comolli helped bring some top talent to this club, for which we are now being rewarded for under Harry's tutoring
 

Spurs_Bear

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Anyone else wish he'd just shut the fuck up? Probably not, I know many of you probably agree, but ghe really fucking annoys me with this shit, if he hasn't got something good to say then don't say anything. It's not difficult. But it's the shitty heavy sarcasm that really gets me...

Anyway, onto the meat of his argument. How many players who played against Arsenal or Werder were signed before Harry's arrival at the club?

Pav, Defoe, Lennon, Bale, Modric, Jenas, Lennon, BAE, Kaboul, Hutton and Gomes.

How many since?

Palacios, Gallas and Crouch.

How many rubbish Commolli players did he sign from us when he was at Portsmouth?

How many Commoli players who didn't make the grade were sold on at a profit?

Now I'm not saying the Frenchman was amazing or anything, but he doesn't deserve Harry's withering put-down.

Then we hear that we've lost our top European scout, the man we'd ear-marked to be in charge of European operations to... Commoli at Liverpool. Why didn't he want to stay with us?

Anyway sometimes, like I say, I wish he'd just keep his mouth closed.

How are you crediting Defoe and Kaboul as players who were here before?

I think you get too involved in the Redknapp 'Media' persona, just ignore it mate surely? No point getting yourself in a twist about everything he says.

He's always going to credit himself, he's that type of bloke, if it's what helps us become one of the really top sides who cares?

As for the Commolli bit I can totally understand his frustration. If you go into a Sales job, replacing someone who was sacked for underperformance, you then rescue that sector, move it on to one of the top performing sectors in the country, get voted 'Sales Person of the Year' but then have to listen to the guy you replaced try to take the credit for leaving you with the best leads and referalls, you're going to get royally fucked off! And rightly so.

Commolli's job was to sign players that made us a better team, not scattergun an approach and sign players that may come good one day in Serie A. Bentley for 16m, Bent for similar, Gilberto, Rocha etc. If he's going to credit himself he needs to take the shit as well.
 

Coyboy

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Sloth, I bet you'd hate having Mourinho here.
 

Gilzeanking

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Well we've got 2 guys here talking themselves up ,neither comes out with much credit .

Commoli's gone...Harrys still with us so am more interested in his comment .Yes the sarcasm grates he didn't need to get involved, his record should be enough .

A squalid little spat between 2 people bigging themselves up . It happens everywhere . Hardly classy .
 

Kyras

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I don't mind Harry saying this as Comolli keeps talking about himself. He's annoying, I appreciate that he brought a lot of decent talent to the club, but he talks himself up as a scout where as I get the impression that he's not so much a scout but some sort of scouting coordinator and someone to deal with contracts.

Does no-one else find Comolli's "I did this, i discovered so and so.." really annoying?
 

PT

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Commolli has to refresh the Liverpool squad to flush out the average joes procured from obsurity abroad and replace them with some exceptional value for money types in January otherwise their decline will continue.

I don't think Liverpool has a lot of transfer cash either to go for grade one players.

Our current mechanism is the better one in that it is autonomous insofar as player purchases are concerned, yet Levy is the main player in snaring the target that Harry has talked about.
 

walworthyid

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Replacing Carrick for Zokora was a complete f**k up

Harry needs to make a special signing soon

Different type of player. Carrick was very influential for us and allowed us to play a sitting player and a player who could get up and down. Zokora couldn't really do that and so we then 2 players who had t get up and down which left is exposed.

Zokora was a good player imo but just not what we needed at the time. Certainly good enough to get into many prem teams even now!
 

jonnie83

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I don't think that Commoli was great or bad at signing players, he had successes and failures as most managers/directors of foootball do. My problem was the balance of the squad he created was poor. Redknapp sorted this out in his first transfer window by signing Palacios, the type of midfielder we had been crying out for.
 

KILLA_SIN

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He did a lot of other stuff at the club behind the scenes which goes unmentioned but rather the focus of his time here centres on the transfers.

I think we are far superior and more professional club because of his time here.
 

jrio

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Anyone else wish he'd just shut the fuck up? Probably not, I know many of you probably agree, but ghe really fucking annoys me with this shit, if he hasn't got something good to say then don't say anything. It's not difficult. But it's the shitty heavy sarcasm that really gets me...

Anyway, onto the meat of his argument. How many players who played against Arsenal or Werder were signed before Harry's arrival at the club?

Pav, Defoe, Lennon, Bale, Modric, Jenas, Lennon, BAE, Kaboul, Hutton and Gomes.

How many since?

Palacios, Gallas and Crouch. Kranjcar, Defoe.

How many rubbish Commolli players did he sign from us when he was at Portsmouth?

How many Commoli players who didn't make the grade were sold on at a profit? Most of those "Comolli players" weren't solely attributable to Comolli. Levy is the factor in selling on at a profit.

Now I'm not saying the Frenchman was amazing or anything, but he doesn't deserve Harry's withering put-down. As he's irked both NL clubs with claiming credit for signing successful players when he's often been a marginal factor, the put-down seems highly appropriate.

Then we hear that we've lost our top European scout, the man we'd ear-marked to be in charge of European operations to... Commoli at Liverpool. Why didn't he want to stay with us?

Anyway sometimes, like I say, I wish he'd just keep his mouth closed.
Quotes like these are usually in response to questions at the pre-match conferences. Journalists ask them because they want something to write about. The sub-text behind Comolli's claims is that Harry's success is basically built on his foundations, which is laughable. Just be thankful 2 points from 8 games wasn't mentioned again.
 

degoose

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Anyone else wish he'd just shut the fuck up? Probably not, I know many of you probably agree, but ghe really fucking annoys me with this shit, if he hasn't got something good to say then don't say anything. It's not difficult. But it's the shitty heavy sarcasm that really gets me...

Anyway, onto the meat of his argument. How many players who played against Arsenal or Werder were signed before Harry's arrival at the club?

Pav, Defoe, Lennon, Bale, Modric, Jenas, Lennon, BAE, Kaboul, Hutton and Gomes.

How many since?

Palacios, Gallas and Crouch.

How many rubbish Commolli players did he sign from us when he was at Portsmouth?

How many Commoli players who didn't make the grade were sold on at a profit?

Now I'm not saying the Frenchman was amazing or anything, but he doesn't deserve Harry's withering put-down.

Then we hear that we've lost our top European scout, the man we'd ear-marked to be in charge of European operations to... Commoli at Liverpool. Why didn't he want to stay with us?

Anyway sometimes, like I say, I wish he'd just keep his mouth closed.

the factor is though is who did comolli sign who was any good, he didnt sign defoe, dawson,lennon or jenas as they all arrived before him. i would say that from players who werent really known kaboul and benny where the best ones.

As fro your rant about Harry , i am happy he chats away , the media love him and so do i . Harry gets involved has his word and it makes the fans feel like they actually know whats going on in the world of tottenham.
 

double0

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IMO Zokora was value for money and wasn't a bad buy. Arry shouldn't be saying anything about Commoil, DC had made brilliant signings for the club made a profit in the process too. Liverpool will benefit from DC signings long term like we have.
 
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