Harry Winks - Leicester City

[ILS]

Stick him in Bournemouth's team now in place of Wilshire or Cook and he would not improve it.

 

[WinksyBoy]

you can bury your head in the sand all you like but it doesn’t change the fact that his performances are consistently awful and he’s nowhere near good enough for the 1st team.

Not sure what your post has to do with anything I have said today?!

 

[McFlash]

I've always defended Winks and stuck up for him in here but his performances (especially) this season have been pretty woeful.
It's time for him to go on that basis alone, without considering his possible attitude issues as well.

 

[Locotoro]

I used to like winks as a player but for the last few seasons I struggled to see what his purpose in the team is. He used to be seen as the CM that kept things ticking over but now I can see that he hardly ever progresses the ball and in a team where he has the rest of the midfield and attack in front of him

 

[synththfc]

Not only is he (allegedly) stinking up the dressing room, he's been stinking up the pitch for nigh on 3 years now.

Preston North End awaits him in the summer.

 

[kremlyn]

No, this is coming from ITK’s on this site. The confirmation bias would seem to be on your end trying to conflate the information with inflammatory rumours from twitter in an attempt to defend his character.

ALL ITK is to be taken with a pinch of salt. It is almost always filtered information received second-hand, no matter how good the source. This is a rumour as is the majority of stuff on twitter. Yes, there is a difference in quality but top quality ITKs have been known to be poles apart in their version of the truth. There's no conflation here, just me calling out plain old spin.

 

[kremlyn]

He even admitted he played the ball to someone else in the team in the Europa League game and it ended up in the net!

That's a great pass!?

 

[kremlyn]

Winks is not a great passer, his short range stuff is ok but he hasnt got any range at all.

I think he's a great passer. He has the intelligence to make the right pass in the position he occupies and when played as the quarterback his stats are phenomenal

Thing is with young footballers that are all pretty much like that. The problem for some is they establish themselves in the first team, get international caps and become entitled.

When things aren't going well instead of going back to what got them there in the first place(hard work), they go to the press. They bang on the chairman's door and get their agents involved, because the fact they aren't being picked every week can't be their fault they are an international on a 4 year big money contract.

Is that categorically what is happening here?

 

[McFlash]

ALL ITK is to be taken with a pinch of salt. It is almost always filtered information received second-hand, no matter how good the source. This is a rumour as is the majority of stuff on twitter. Yes, there is a difference in quality but top quality ITKs have been known to be poles apart in their version of the truth. There's no conflation here, just me calling out plain old spin.

This is true when it comes to transfers and board level decisions but when it comes to player issues, more often than not, the info tends to be pretty accurate on here.

 

[Joshua]

ALL ITK is to be taken with a pinch of salt. It is almost always filtered information received second-hand, no matter how good the source. This is a rumour as is the majority of stuff on twitter. Yes, there is a difference in quality but top quality ITKs have been known to be poles apart in their version of the truth. There's no conflation here, just me calling out plain old spin.

You said it was the same source as the Eriksen wife rumours. It’s not. It’s come from people trusted on this site. And now you’re calling it spin to try and justify your opinion.

 

[Gingernut]

ALL ITK is to be taken with a pinch of salt. It is almost always filtered information received second-hand, no matter how good the source. This is a rumour as is the majority of stuff on twitter. Yes, there is a difference in quality but top quality ITKs have been known to be poles apart in their version of the truth. There's no conflation here, just me calling out plain old spin.

Agree about ITK being taken with a pinch of salt and yes they get things wrong.

Have to disagree about calling it plain old spin - just because it doesn't follow your own thought process doesn't mean it is just 'plain old spin'. It is obvious there are issues with him in the team - he isn't playing and isn't even on the bench now. There are reasons for that (he hasn't played well, his body language stinks etc) and I and others are stating that our opinion is, based on what is on this forum and in interviews given, he isn't happy and is becoming a problem in dressing room.

 

[Gingernut]

I think he's a great passer. He has the intelligence to make the right pass in the position he occupies and when played as the quarterback his stats are phenomenal

Is that categorically what is happening here?

Of course @Trix doesn't know that - nobody knows that apart from Winks himself. Trix is again using his experience/knowledge to suggest that this is happening as it has happened before.

Again - this is a discussion board - not a board only to discuss concrete facts

 

[kremlyn]

You said it was the same source as the Eriksen wife rumours. It’s not. It’s come from people trusted on this site. And now you’re calling it spin to try and justify your opinion.

I think it's clear that I'm talikng about rumours in general, no? It's the bit where I say etc etc etc. I don't believe ITK is gospel so I don't see much essential difference between ITK and twitter sources other than they post in good faith. It's still a rumour so it's still not true necessarily.

May I ask, why have you got you knickers in a twist here? It is a rumour so it is subject to opinion. You just seem unnaturally anxious to prove me wrong. DM me if you need. ?

 

[kremlyn]

Agree about ITK being taken with a pinch of salt and yes they get things wrong.

Have to disagree about calling it plain old spin - just because it doesn't follow your own thought process doesn't mean it is just 'plain old spin'. It is obvious there are issues with him in the team - he isn't playing and isn't even on the bench now. There are reasons for that (he hasn't played well, his body language stinks etc) and I and others are stating that our opinion is, based on what is on this forum and in interviews given, he isn't happy and is becoming a problem in dressing room.

But that it exactly what is happening here. ITK passes on a RUMOUR and people make it fit their narrative. If it were provably true then you're absolutely right and I've got it wrong but it isn't. It's a rumour from a good source but it is still just a rumour and who knows what agenda the person who passed it to the ITK has?
I love the ITK here and the fact that they post but find me an ITK who talks directly to the players or is in the dressing room.
It's not fact and we shouldn't be treating at as such. In a court of law this would be libelous. No?

 

[Joshua]

I think it's clear that I'm talikng about rumours in general, no? It's the bit where I say etc etc etc. I don't believe ITK is gospel so I don't see much essential difference between ITK and twitter sources other than they post in good faith. It's still a rumour so it's still not true necessarily.

May I ask, why have you got you knickers in a twist here? It is a rumour so it is subject to opinion. You just seem unnaturally anxious to prove me wrong. DM me if you need. ?

Am I getting wound up or abusive? You tried to associate the info that’s come from this site about Winks with inflammatory rumours with no basis about Eriksen that came from Twitter. Don’t try and walk that back by saying it was a point about rumours in general. Then you said there’s a lot of confirmation bias and things being made up about Winks. I don’t take ITK as gospel either. I’ve said before who knows the exact nature of what’s happened behind the scenes. But taking everything in context with what’s observable at the club, information about Winks being a bad egg is believable. If you think that’s confirmation bias or that the ITK’s are making things up that’s fine. But my knickers are perfectly in place.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

That clip of him kicking the teabag into the cup was what really did it for me firstly it was questionable if there was any water even in the cup to start, secondly he didn't take the tea bag out before drinking or squeeze it a bit to get the juices out and most importantly he was aiming for his door but it was yet again an overhit miss-placed cross

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Thing is with young footballers that are all pretty much like that. The problem for some is they establish themselves in the first team, get international caps and become entitled.

When things aren't going well instead of going back to what got them there in the first place(hard work), they go to the press. They bang on the chairman's door and get their agents involved, because the fact they aren't being picked every week can't be their fault they are an international on a 4 year big money contract.

He reminds me in ways of being similar character to Michael Owen.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

That clip of him kicking the teabag into the cup was what really did it for me firstly it was questionable if there was any water even in the cup to start, secondly he didn't take the tea bag out before drinking or squeeze it a bit to get the juices out and most importantly he was aiming for his door but it was yet again an overhit miss-placed cross

Well if that's his kitchen he lives up to the idea that he is a tidy player.
And also he doesn't take the tea bag out simply because it is never close to the cup to begin with.

 

[Trix]

He reminds me in ways of being similar character to Michael Owen.

Pretty sure owen was a dick from the off.


I wouldn't say that of Winks.

 

[Gingernut]

But that it exactly what is happening here. ITK passes on a RUMOUR and people make it fit their narrative. If it were provably true then you're absolutely right and I've got it wrong but it isn't. It's a rumour from a good source but it is still just a rumour and who knows what agenda the person who passed it to the ITK has?
I love the ITK here and the fact that they post but find me an ITK who talks directly to the players or is in the dressing room.
It's not fact and we shouldn't be treating at as such. In a court of law this would be libelous. No?

How do you know it isn't provably true?

Are you saying that if an ITK states a point we should not draw any conclusions from it ourselves and derive our own opinions because it isn't provable or fact or we do not know the agenda behind the person making the post? If this is your opinion, I wonder why you are on a messageboard in the first place as it is full of speculation, rumour, ITK and opinions based upon these and other points in the public domain (e.g. interviews, newspapers etc) - most of which are connecting the dots and not 'provable' as you say in your words.

The whole of ITK is speculation...none of it is provable on a message board like this. The same goes for news stories which are from sources who may not be the exact person at the centre but a person who knows the details - Does this mean they are all libellous as well?