Harry's view of Keane

[Yid-ol]

Pre May 09, fighting relegation

Post August 09, 2nd!

In other words, an asset last season, a liability this one (to date).

Bit harsh

But then if he neve left he may still have played like he did last season and if Defoe hadnt have left, would he be plaing as well as he is now? he has come back playing alot better

 

[Son_Of]

so dougal and mattstev and the like, as you are obviously better at watching matches than i am, who should he replace against villa?

defoe, crouch, kranjcar, gomes? maybe gomes. robbie is not good at blocking or catching, commanding his area, reaction saves etc but he's a real character, a funny guy, would appeal long and hard for goal kicks as opposed to opposition corners. keane also does all sorts of brilliant work when he's in goal that you probably don't notice when the ball is down the other end and spurs are on the attack- real matchwinning stuff that only people who really understand football can see.

 

[chrissivad]

Where do people think we'd be now if Keane hadn't returned? Top 3? In Europe from a Carling Cup win or league finish last season? Please, take the question in the spirit it's meant (ie, not a put up or shut up, but a genuine question).

not as high in the league as we are, but I think it would be the same if we didn't have either Defoe or Crouch in the team.


Keane and Modric are the only two players we have in the squad that special something to create something from nothing.
My only problem with Keane is where he is sometimes asked to play (Anything bar a striker)

 

[Dougal]

so dougal and mattstev and the like, as you are obviously better at watching matches than i am, who should he replace against villa?

defoe, crouch, kranjcar, gomes? maybe gomes. robbie is not good at blocking or catching, commanding his area, reaction saves etc but he's a real character, a funny guy, would appeal long and hard for goal kicks as opposed to opposition corners. keane also does all sorts of brilliant work when he's in goal that you probably don't notice when the ball is down the other end and spurs are on the attack- real matchwinning stuff that only people who really understand football can see.

I didn't say anything about how you watch the match. How do you watch the match, I have no idea? :shrug:

I didn't say he should replace anyone against Villa.

I'm pretty sure he shouldn't play in goal. His only save for us got him sent off.

 

[mattstev2000]

so dougal and mattstev and the like, as you are obviously better at watching matches than i am, who should he replace against villa?

defoe, crouch, kranjcar, gomes? maybe gomes. robbie is not good at blocking or catching, commanding his area, reaction saves etc but he's a real character, a funny guy, would appeal long and hard for goal kicks as opposed to opposition corners. keane also does all sorts of brilliant work when he's in goal that you probably don't notice when the ball is down the other end and spurs are on the attack- real matchwinning stuff that only people who really understand football can see.

Amusing. Sarcasm is clearly your strong point.

Also, although I would certainly make 2 changes to the starting 11 I'm not sure that anyone else has been saying that.

As far as the strikers go, it's a simple change for me, bench Crouch and start Keane. Keane's scored more goals, got more assists and offers more than Crouch. Maintain the balance of the team (i.e. 4-4-2) but play our two best strikers.

Doesn't take a lot of 'real football understanding' to see that does it?

 

[mattstev2000]

Keane and Modric are the only two players we have in the squad that special something to create something from nothing.
My only problem with Keane is where he is sometimes asked to play (Anything bar a striker)

Totally agree with this... although I would add Kranjcar to that 'sometimes a bit special' list. His cheeky chip over the Wigan player towards the end of the match on Sunday was one of my highlights of the game.

 

[StartingPrice]

I hate to say "I told you so", but I have been pointing out to the anti-Keane Brigade that 'Arry has waxed lyrical on the important role RK has in the dressing room last summer - and attributed it as a key factor in the turn-around in form after he came back last year (remember, the year where we had two points when 'Arry arrived:duh.

I take it as a general rule that people that work in football generally do understand the game - it's their job. They may make mistakes, or even unravel and lose the plot, but as a general rule they do have some level of understanding. So, when 'Arry (the man who has steered us to within goal difference of third with key players injured:duh says this I do think it is worth paying it some heed.

Keane haters = :duh::duh::duh:

 

[Chimbo!]

i think this anti-keane campaign is not about his impact on the team, as that is hardly questionable. It relates more to the manner of his departure and his swift return when it didnt work out for him. There are those who are critical of his mentality and add to that he isnt the same player he was 2 years ago and you have reason for negativity towards him.

I personally dont think it is warranted but you can justify it either way; in this case it is really a matter of opinion and nothing else. It is not like keane is struggling this season but then again he isnt in great form. If we get off his back i think his best form will return and then the criticism will stop. He tends to peak in the 2nd half of a season anyway.

 

[Legend10]

I hate to say "I told you so", but I have been pointing out to the anti-Keane Brigade that 'Arry has waxed lyrical on the important role RK has in the dressing room last summer - and attributed it as a key factor in the turn-around in form after he came back last year (remember, the year where we had two points when 'Arry arrived:duh.

I take it as a general rule that people that work in football generally do understand the game - it's their job. They may make mistakes, or even unravel and lose the plot, but as a general rule they do have some level of understanding. So, when 'Arry (the man who has steered us to within goal difference of third with key players injured:duh says this I do think it is worth paying it some heed.

Keane haters = :duh::duh::duh:

Thank God because the thread was losing it's level of hate there for a while.

Now we have multiple hating duh's the thread has regained its normality.

 

[tRiKS]

Keane Hasn't been particually good with the ball this season. He's not getting his head up quickly enough, his passing is a little ragged and he's playing safe more often than not. Off the ball I think he's been an assest when playing and I can easily believe in the dressing room and around the lodge he's does nothing but good valued work.

 

[spurs mental]

so dougal and mattstev and the like, as you are obviously better at watching matches than i am, who should he replace against villa?

defoe, crouch, kranjcar, gomes? maybe gomes. robbie is not good at blocking or catching, commanding his area, reaction saves etc but he's a real character, a funny guy, would appeal long and hard for goal kicks as opposed to opposition corners. keane also does all sorts of brilliant work when he's in goal that you probably don't notice when the ball is down the other end and spurs are on the attack- real matchwinning stuff that only people who really understand football can see.

Brilliant. How long did it take you to come up with that one?

Dougal and Masstev have kind of put you in your place, or else well on your way....

If I'm answering the serious question, which, was actually kind of hard to find in your post, who would Keane replace? Easy choice, Crouch. Keane and Defoe have been our best partnership in terms of points won this season, so there's no need to go and do anything stupid, in a place where we won, and performed well in last season. Keane was in that team by the way. Keane was also in the team that helped us to four wins from four at the start of the season. He also played up front, not in goal.

Doesn't matter where he plays though, there's certain people who will still berate him. He could score 15 goals in a match and still not be good enough for some people.

 

[sasa_moto]

Redknapp has had enough.

"I hate it when I hear people criticise him."

Well, if Harry says leave Robbie alone, we should, shouldn't we? Free will is overrated anyway. Jesus, one day someboday will dare to criticise Harry himself, ccccc...

 

[nicdic]

*sigh*

 

[defoe18]

*burp*

 

[rez9000]

I like Keane. For me, it's not a question of him being a bad player. I think he's going through a bad patch. I think there's something wrong with him. For those of you who listen to the Spurs Show with Phil Cornwell, here's an email I sent them a few days ago:

Since his arrival at Spurs (the first time, that is) I have been a staunch, vocal and vociferous backer of Robbie Keane. Although I remember watching the likes of Teddy Sheringham and Jurgen Klinsmann play, they were very early on in my Spurs love affair. In contrast, Robbie Keane came along at a time when I started going to games much more regularly, and I’ve had the privilege of seeing him bang in many a goal for us.

When he departed for the Hubcap Hijackers, I was heart-broken. I felt betrayed and bitterness reigned in my heart. Imagine the joy of hearing he’d come to his senses and come back to where most of us Spurs fans believed that he belonged.

But there’s something wrong. He is as energetic as he used to be, he runs around as much as he used to, but the goals just aren’t coming. I fear that Robbie may be broken, and I believe the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the beardy Spaniard of Anfield.

Benitez has broken Robbie. Keane’s play was always exuberant, joyful, passionate. Watch his goal celebrations. Watch his face when he lifted the Carling Cup. The joy, the sheer unbridled ecstasy for the game is plain for all to see.

So, when he went to Anfield, which he professed was his boyhood club, I don’t doubt that he expected to revel in the atmosphere. What did he get instead? A manager who is a known player-breaker.

Benitez is so unprofessional that, as I understand it, he didn’t play Xabi Alonso (a player who turned out to be Gerrard’s perfect midfield partner) until he had to because he didn’t like him. Then why the hell did you buy him? And furthermore, why did you sell him in favour of an unproven crocked Aquilani?

And he appeared to do the same with Robbie. He treated Keane horrendously; showed him no respect as a player. Again, it begs the question why did Benitez buy Keane in the first place? Was it because he was given £20 million and he simply had to spend it after failing to land Gareth Barry? Or was it the snidier motivation of simply depriving Spurs of having him?

Anyway, I think that Robbie needs fixing, and the place to start is in his head. Something about the way he goes about his play makes me believe that he just doesn’t enjoy his football at the moment. He forgot to pack his joy when he came back south. For that, he needs time on the bench, to rediscover his hunger and to whet his appetite for scoring goals. Maybe then, when he’s given a chance, and does score, he’ll know why he plays football, and what it is that he takes from the game that can make him so special.

Either that, or his newlywed WAG won’t leave him alone. It’s one or the other.

He's gone through dry spells before, and it's only when he's been benched for a spell that he seems to regain his touch. Let's face it, a player who has scored over 100 goals for us should be doing just that - scoring goals. If he's not, then there's something wrong. It's a viable argument that one would make about any striker. If they aren't scoring, then something needs to be done to help them start scoring again. In the case of Keane, I believe that there are two things he needs:

First, something to make him hungry. He does well when his blood is up. You can see it in the way he plays. Not necessarily angry, but when his passion is involved. An eagerness to get on the pitch, I think, will do that. The way to instill that eagerness is to take it away from him for a spell. If one loves cake, but is given it to eat three meals a day, then they get sick of it after a while. Likewise, perhaps regular football, regardless of how he plays, has dulled his appetite for playing football. So, deny him football for a short space of time and he may then rediscover the hunger for the game.

Second, I think that someone else needs to be regular captain. I believe that giving Keane the captaincy on a regular basis may have some benefit for the team, but it's detrimental to his ability to play his game. The key thing to remember is that leadership is not bestowed simply by pulling on an armband. What he brings to the team he can still bring while also allowing someone else to worry about organising the team when on the pitch. I feel that this will bring out the best in him again.

He has always been a special player. Anyone who thinks that he is a bad player really needs to study his record; not just at Spurs but over his whole career. He is an excellent player. It is undeniable. But no-one, no-one, can maintain peak performance all the time, every time, in any field. There will always be a time when performance will drop. At that time, it becomes important to find out why and what needs to be done to regain that performance.

My view, limited though it is, is that he needs to be temporarily exiled to the bench. Then, I believe that he'll be back to the Keane we all (well, most of us anyway) know and love.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I like Keane. For me, it's not a question of him being a bad player. I think he's going through a bad patch. I think there's something wrong with him. For those of you who listen to the Spurs Show with Phil Cornwell, here's an email I sent them a few days ago:



He's gone through dry spells before, and it's only when he's been benched for a spell that he seems to regain his touch. Let's face it, a player who has scored over 100 goals for us should be doing just that - scoring goals. If he's not, then there's something wrong. It's a viable argument that one would make about any striker. If they aren't scoring, then something needs to be done to help them start scoring again. In the case of Keane, I believe that there are two things he needs:

First, something to make him hungry. He does well when his blood is up. You can see it in the way he plays. Not necessarily angry, but when his passion is involved. An eagerness to get on the pitch, I think, will do that. The way to instill that eagerness is to take it away from him for a spell. If one loves cake, but is given it to eat three meals a day, then they get sick of it after a while. Likewise, perhaps regular football, regardless of how he plays, has dulled his appetite for playing football. So, deny him football for a short space of time and he may then rediscover the hunger for the game.

Second, I think that someone else needs to be regular captain. I believe that giving Keane the captaincy on a regular basis may have some benefit for the team, but it's detrimental to his ability to play his game. The key thing to remember is that leadership is not bestowed simply by pulling on an armband. What he brings to the team he can still bring while also allowing someone else to worry about organising the team when on the pitch. I feel that this will bring out the best in him again.

He has always been a special player. Anyone who thinks that he is a bad player really needs to study his record; not just at Spurs but over his whole career. He is an excellent player. It is undeniable. But no-one, no-one, can maintain peak performance all the time, every time, in any field. There will always be a time when performance will drop. At that time, it becomes important to find out why and what needs to be done to regain that performance.

My view, limited though it is, is that he needs to be temporarily exiled to the bench. Then, I believe that he'll be back to the Keane we all (well, most of us anyway) know and love.

:clap::clap::clap:

Absolutely brilliant post, my thoughts exactly but better put than I ever could.

Already repped you recently so won't let me go again:up:

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Keano to start Saturday then!!Eek

 

[StartingPrice]

Thank God because the thread was losing it's level of hate there for a while.

Now we have multiple hating duh's the thread has regained its normality.

No 'hating' in there, comrade - we is all Yid-loving dudes and dudesses in 'ere:wink: Apart from the muppets (i.e. people who disagree with me), obviously:grin:

Just find it slightly ridiculous, TBH - a lot of this anti-Keane business is independent of the fact that he isn't displaying the best form he has shown since he first came to the Lane. I am not disputing that his form hasn't been the best, and I don't think many of the nay-sayers are, either.

Just that the anti-Keane thang is more to do with the fact that he dared to leave - and, honestly, I don't think there is that much to moan about. If there is one thang that sticks in my footballing craw it is the way United Fins (something close to a fan, but not of Homo Sapiens Sapiens - I think it is Homo Sap Simpleton), still go on about Alan Shearer daring to choose to go to Newcastle over them. I mean the man is a born and bought up Geordie and Newcastle were actually challenging them for the title - FFS. It is not like he was a mancunian who chose to play for Accrington Stanley over them. The Keane situation isn't quuite as bad, but, come on, the guy, who has gone on record form an early age was asked if he would like a move to his boyhood club (at a time when the chance was never likely to come again), who were also playing at a higher level. Liverpool matched the asking price immediately (unlike United with the Bulgar). It is not like he refused to play or anything (unike the Bulgar - allegedly). he gave us more service than some, and then made a substantial profit! In fact, if the Bulgar had stayed and our form had been good at the start of THAT season, would anyone really be bothered about Keano going to Liverpool - regardless of whether he returned to the Lane or not:shrug:

And 'Arry is alluding to the possibility of the Keane baiting souring atmosphere between players and fans, and between players - potentially. This is the clearest time in the clubs recent history werre we should all be singing off the same hymn sheet, surely:shrug:

So, yes, there is an issue with some folk using a temporary drop in form as an excuse to vent their spleens over a football player moving to a new club under fairly normal circumstances. And the other thang that the Keane baiters need to understand is that it takes away from the gravity of the Scum Thimbles of this World if we just heap invectives on every player who moves, even if under fairly normal circumstances.

And let's not forget, the mananger who has so dramatically changed our fortunes is telling Spurs fans that Robbie keane was specifically instrumental in that change in fortune and not just in ways that we can see on the pitch. How can any right thinking person ignore that:shrug:

As for the suggestion that this is about daring to criticize 'Arry - well, unless my senses deceive me there has been some criticism of 'Arry, not least for his strange tactical, er, arrangements at times; I personally felt and expressed that he shouldn't have used all three substitues in the Stoke game as surely the idea of substitues is to cover for injuries, and if, when Lennon got injured, he had a substitute we probably would have won that game; and alos he has been criticised for his outrageous twitchmg:

 

[Yidiot]

keane is shit

 

[mattstev2000]

keane is shit

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