Has it been a good season?

[THFCSPURS19]

You can't bin that argument completely because the TV money hasn't even kicked in properly yet, and even when it does it will still be fairly relative, i.e. every single team will just increase it's TV revenue by the same ratio. This isn't a "radically" different league, but it has evolved slightly stronger throughout the teams below us, but it's not like the league has gone from being like the Belgian second division to La Liga in 3 years. AVB also didn't have 4 of the 5 teams richer than us in cataclysmic meltdown as we found this season, and there is no way the squad AVB had was close to as strong as this one, or assembled as coherently.

I think Pochettino has done an excellent job this year, I think this has been a great season, and I am glad he's here, but I also think that what AVB achieved with that squad, in those circumstances (the loss of Modric & VDV, Adebayor playing up, Sherwood and Freund being pain in the arses etc) at that time was actually a much greater achievement than many are prepared to give him credit for.

He didn't really achieve much with the 'squad' (which I think you are massively downplaying- there were plenty of 'good' players in it), he relied on Bale's (who I firmly believe was the 3rd best player in the world when he was it his peak that season) brilliance.

The football under AVB was basically the last 4 games of this season, but every game. Yes, the results weren't always so negative in 12-13, due to Bale's game-winning prowess, but regardless of the points we registered, it cannot be denied that we have played much better this season, achieving something AVB never did in CL football. That's why the argument can be binned.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He didn't really achieve much with the 'squad' (which I think you are massively downplaying- there were plenty of 'good' players in it), he relied on Bale's (who I firmly believe was the 3rd best player in the world when he was it his peak that season) brilliance.

The football under AVB was basically the last 4 games of this season, but every game. Yes, the results weren't always so negative in 12-13, due to Bale's game-winning prowess, but regardless of the points we registered, it cannot be denied that we have played much better this season, achieving something AVB never did in CL football. That's why the argument can be binned.

If all you've got is "Bale" you can bin it because it's a disingenuous bullshit argument which is even more spurious than the one made above. Where would Poch be without Kane's near 50 goals last two years ? I didn't say AVB's football was more exciting or that his achievement was greater than Poch's. Come back if you've got something better.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

If all you've got is "Bale" you can bin it because it's a disingenuous bullshit argument which is even more spurious than the one made above. Where would Poch be without Kane's near 50 goals last two years ? I didn't say AVB's football was more exciting or that his achievement was greater than Poch's. Come back if you've got something better.

That's a bit unfair on Poch. We've only had 1 striker for the last two seasons!!

 

[SteveH]

Yes

 

[Bus-Conductor]

That's a bit unfair on Poch. We've only had 1 striker for the last two seasons!!

That's 1 more than AVB had.

 

[sparx100]

Maybe disappointed in our cup performances but I would have taken top 4 at the start of the season. People spout on about how it was a weak season, but we still had to get the points and we did.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Great season ....shit end.

But what a great day yesterday....karma you **** face cock Pardew...enjoy your Lasagne you prick...

 

[spurs9]

You can't bin that argument completely because the TV money hasn't even kicked in properly yet

Total transfer fees from PL clubs:

2012/13 (AVB's First season): 610m.
2013/14: 760m.
2014/15: 965m.
2015/16" 1045m

For further reference, the transfer fees for the 4 season prior to AVBs season were:
2008/09: 670m
2009/10: 480m
2010/11: 590m
2011/12: 545m

There has absolutely been an impact on other clubs finances.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Total transfer fees from PL clubs:

2012/13 (AVB's First season): 610m.
2013/14: 760m.
2014/15: 965m.
2015/16" 1045m

For further reference, the transfer fees for the 4 season prior to AVBs season were:
2008/09: 670m
2009/10: 480m
2010/11: 590m
2011/12: 545m

There has absolutely been an impact on other clubs finances.

I didn't say there hadn't been an impact - in fact I have repeatedly said elsewhere this league has been improved in every facet (not just wages, but coaching, analytics, recruitment etc) by the revenue it has received, but he was referring to the "new deal" which I pointed out doesn't kick in until next season. I also said there has been a gradual evolutionary effect year on year - which your figures show.

And the point about AVB having an advantage because of any TV deal is still spurious for the reasons I gave.

 

[spurs9]

I didn't say there hadn't been an impact - in fact I have repeatedly said elsewhere this league has been improved in every facet (not just wages, but coaching, analytics, recruitment etc) by the revenue it has received, but he was referring to the "new deal" which I pointed out doesn't kick in until next season. I also said there has been a gradual evolutionary effect year on year - which your figures show.

And the point about AVB having an advantage because of any TV deal is still spurious for the reasons I gave.

The discussion between you and @RichieS wasn't about AVB having an advantage at the time, it was about the other teams in the league being able to spend more this now because of the TV money.

This is a radically different league now to what it was then. With the advent of the new TV money, the mid-table clubs are able to (and have) become much better, resulting in points being shared around more evenly. Even Newcastle, who were relegated so abjectly, had the talent in their squad to do what they did on Sunday!

You can't bin that argument completely because the TV money hasn't even kicked in properly yet

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The discussion between you and @RichieS wasn't about AVB having an advantage, it was about the other teams in teh league being able to spend more because of the TV money.

Yes, read the bit where he says "new TV money", which is what I was referring to when I said the deal hasn't properly kicked in yet (I believe clubs will receive the first tranches in July this year - but have been advance spending in some cases in anticipation)

 

[spurs9]

Yes, read the bit where he says "new TV money", which is what I was referring to when I said the deal hasn't properly kicked in yet (I believe clubs will receive the first tranches in July this year - but have been advance spending in some cases in anticipation)

We have been hearing "it won't kick in until next season" for a couple of years now, so surely they have got it be now, but even if they haven't, if they are spending this season in anticipation of receiving it this July, then the deal IS affecting transfer budgets this season, regardless of when the payments are made.

 

[Tit&Ham]

If this thread is about if its Been a good season or not, than the answer is a loud and clear yes!!!

If anyone thought we would be higher than fifth or sixth I would be very surprised.

And dont give me that "all the good teams Are under-performing"... Its old and its nonsence.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

We have been hearing "it won't kick in until next season" for a couple of years now, so surely they have got it be now, but even if they haven't, if they are spending this season in anticipation of receiving it this July, then the deal IS affecting transfer budgets this season, regardless of when the payments are made.

That's because it actually won't kick in until next season. And I acknowledged that some clubs are already spending in anticipation, hence me saying "it hasn't properly kicked yet".

And it still doesn't altar the fact that using it as an argument for why Pochettino had a harder task is extremely spurious, for various reasons, not least of which is that no-one has actually received a penny of the money yet. Another reason is that we will receive it too and it will almost certainly mean we will retain our financial position within the EPL, and we certainly have during Poch's first two seasons.

 

[spurs9]

That's because it actually won't kick in until next season. And I acknowledged that some clubs are already spending in anticipation, hence me saying "it hasn't properly kicked yet".

And it still doesn't altar the fact that using it as an argument for why Pochettino had a harder task is extremely spurious, for various reasons, not least of which is that no-one has actually received a penny of the money yet. Another reason is that we will receive it too and it will almost certainly mean we will retain our financial position within the EPL, and we certainly have during Poch's first two seasons.

How do you know that the teams haven't received any of the TV money yet?
In regards to your point of everyone receiving the increase, teams that have been spending for years already have the base of quality players set up, so have less of a need to spend, so it benefits the poorer teams that have had spending restrictions and allows them to add more quality to compete with the bigger teams. It's all about breaking through the glass ceiling, which teams like Man Utd, City & Chelsea haven't had for a long time.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

How do you know that the teams haven't received any of the TV money yet?
In regards to your point of everyone receiving the increase, teams that have been spending for years already have the base of quality players set up, so have less of a need to spend, so it benefits the poorer teams that have had spending restrictions and allows them to add more quality to compete with the bigger teams. It's all about breaking through the glass ceiling, which teams like Man Utd, City & Chelsea haven't had for a long time.

They haven't had it yet, I believe they have requested an advance of the money for July (so they can start spending it this window). Have you tried Google?

 

[spurs9]

They haven't had it yet, I believe they have requested an advance of the money for July (so they can start spending it this window). Have you tried Google?

I did and google doesn't say. BTW, maybe we are talking about different deals, as there was a 63% increase for the deal that stated a coupe of years ago, but I think your talking about the deal that starts 2016/17 that was only announced a few months ago, that will take it even higher.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I did and google doesn't say. BTW, maybe we are talking about different deals, as there was a 63% increase for the deal that stated a coupe of years ago, but I think your talking about the deal that starts 2016/17 that was only announced a few months ago, that will take it even higher.

First hit on Google:

71% increase from 2016-17 season for 3 years.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31379128

 

[spurs9]

First hit on Google:

71% increase from 2016-17 season for 3 years.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31379128

Fair enough, I was talking about the 13-16 TV rights (if you look at club spend, it's had a significant impact) as 16-17 hasn't started yet.