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Have we become 'Boring Boring Tottenham Hotspur' ?

fishhhandaricecake

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This seems to be coming up in many other threads so lets discuss it here...have we become 'boring boring Tottenham Hotspur'?

Gone are the days of Tottenham having exciting attacking get you off your seat types of players (Hoddle,Ardiles,Waddle,Gazza,Klinsman,Ginola,Lennon,Bale,Modric,Van Der Vaart,Keane,Defoe,Eriksen,peak Dele)

Gone are the days of: the Ardiles front 5, Sheringham & Klinsmann link-up, the Martin Jol team, The Harry Redknapp Team, The Peak Poch team, those free-flowing, pass and move, to dare is to do, attacking high energy Tottenham sides.

It is nearly 3 years to the day that we hired Jose Mourinho on 20th November 2019, we threw the clubs DNA out of the window, we sold our soul to the devil for the promise of trophies and success, it was a soul destroying experience and didn't work for our club. We then followed that up by hiring an equally defensive and even more dull and cold manager in Nuno on 1st July 2021, then on 2nd November 2021 in comes Antonio Conte.

We hired Paratici a great sporting director with a history of winning at Juventus but a club and a country who's style and philosophy has traditionally been the polar opposite to that of our great club Tottenham Hotspur. If Paratici thought Nuno could make us proud and play good football or that failing that Gattuso could sort it all out then that is concerning for who might manage us in future if/when Conte is no longer with us.

The football we are playing the last 6-7 matches is boring and the squad we have is on the whole boring.

Outside of the occasional bit of creativity from Kulusevski or Son or a good finish from Kane the only striker we've owned for the last seemingly 10 years, the squad has such an incredible lack of pace or invention or creativity or goalscoring threat it is untrue.

Add to that we've hired 3 fairly pragmatic managers in a row to exacerbate the issue.

If we aren't going to play football the Spurs way in a more open and free flowing attacking pass and more to dare is to do style then we at least need some more players to get us excited as I'm sorry but we are boring, 3 years now of the same boring players and style. Under Jol, Redknapp and Poch for me we were up there with the most entertaining exciting teams to watch in the league, we wouldn't always win but you could never call our club boring, now we are. There are genuinely very few teams in the league who I'd not rather watch that us. This isn't all on Conte but the fact remains right now and over the sum of the last 3 years we have become 'boring boring Tottenham Hotspur'.

When Spence came on yesterday and made that bursting run forwards past 3 players it was like a shock to the system, I'd forgotten what it was like to see a Tottenham player do something like that.

If we are going to continue to play as we are then we need a set of 4 wing backs with pace and power and creativity, more like Spence. We've gone from Walker and Rose to Doherty & Emerson... boring.

We need Centre backs with class and style more like Romero and Lenglet, like we used to have with King, Gallas, Toby, Jan, we've gone from that to Dier, Davies and Sanchez... boring.

We need midfielders who can get the ball down and play and pass and dribble and create, more like we have in Bentancur and less like PEH (love PEH's attitude and spirit but he is the epitopie of a Jose Mourinho type player, not a Tottenham player), we've gone from the likes of Carrick, Huddlestone, Dembele, Modric, Eriksen to PEH, Skipp...boring.

We need creative wide players who make things happen, get us off our seats, play with invention and style and pace and class, more like Kulusevski, Gil, less like Richarlison (he's a good functional player but he's a bit boring)

And what we really really really need are... SOME BLOODY STRIKERS, GOALSCORERS, players who can run in behind, players who can shoot on site, a striker with some pace and power and energy and god help us someone else instead of just running Kane into the ground match after match for the last 5+years! I know we play a different formation now with just one striker but we used to have Berbatov, Keane, Defoe, Pav at one point, 4 classy different exciting options who can excite and score goals, Kane is obviously brilliant but having just him season in season out as our only striker option for 3-5 years is boring, he's knackered and so are we.

As the great Danny Blanchflower says below, the game is both about glory and doing things in style and with a flourish. I think these types of quotes are stitched into the fabric and DNA of our club and fans and given we've not been the most dominating successful of clubs in our history I believe that the one thing that Tottenham should never be is boring.

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IfiHadTheWings

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I don't mind people giving reasons as to why we might be playing how we are etc but it's the people who claim to enjoy this type of football and claim we are not boring that i know are arguing a case they don't even believe themselves, it is boring, maybe not all the time but the vast majority of this season has been boring and nobodies argument will convince me otherwise.
 

easley91

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I don't mind people giving reasons as to why we might be playing how we are etc but it's the people who claim to enjoy this type of football and claim we are not boring that i know are arguing a case they don't even believe themselves, it is boring, maybe not all the time but the vast majority of this season has been boring and nobodies argument will convince me otherwise.
Sorry, but enjoyment of football is subjective and no one person is right or wrong for what they deem to be enjoyable.

I have enjoyed parts of our games, and I fully believe it when I say that. I have enjoyed our fighting spirit when we're backed into a corner at times. That's not to say we can't improve and I want us to play better from the off. We do have the bums off seats players in Kulu, Son, Kane and Richarlison. Even Bentancur has been a joy to watch. Bissouma is starting to get that way as well. There are a myriad of reasons as to why things haven't clicked. Manager, system, confidence, injuries, schedule, opposition and how they play etc.

We played some beautiful stuff end of last season and I believe we can get there again.
 

riggi

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Everyone’s got their opinion but I personally think there are only a select amount of clubs who can be picky about the style of football. A club that hasn’t won anything since 2008 isn’t one of them.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Sorry, but enjoyment of football is subjective and no one person is right or wrong for what they deem to be enjoyable.

I have enjoyed parts of our games, and I fully believe it when I say that. I have enjoyed our fighting spirit when we're backed into a corner at times. That's not to say we can't improve and I want us to play better from the off. We do have the bums off seats players in Kulu, Son, Kane and Richarlison. Even Bentancur has been a joy to watch. Bissouma is starting to get that way as well. There are a myriad of reasons as to why things haven't clicked. Manager, system, confidence, injuries, schedule, opposition and how they play etc.

We played some beautiful stuff end of last season and I believe we can get there again.
100% that is why it is great to know what the feeling is amongst our fans on here etc, how many of them are bored, how many are indifferent, how many like it etc etc, it is very subjective you're right.

I agree at the end of last season we played some good football and on their day Kulu Son and Kane can be bums off seats players and Bentancur is a Spurs type classy midfield player so its not all bad but on the whole the last 3 years overall and lately too often imo our style of play hasn't been good at all and that is coming from someone who does appreciate the tactical side of Conteball.

Interesting you think Richarlision is a bums off seats player, I think he's an effective hard working player but not particularly a bums off seat type of player.

Also agree there are many factors as to why lately we've not played as well as we can but overall the trend the last 3 years imo is that we are now seen as quite boring and that is not something I ever thought we would be associated with being, I hope post WC that perception changes.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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Sorry, but enjoyment of football is subjective and no one person is right or wrong for what they deem to be enjoyable.

I have enjoyed parts of our games, and I fully believe it when I say that. I have enjoyed our fighting spirit when we're backed into a corner at times. That's not to say we can't improve and I want us to play better from the off. We do have the bums off seats players in Kulu, Son, Kane and Richarlison. Even Bentancur has been a joy to watch. Bissouma is starting to get that way as well. There are a myriad of reasons as to why things haven't clicked. Manager, system, confidence, injuries, schedule, opposition and how they play etc.

We played some beautiful stuff end of last season and I believe we can get there again.
Thats why i said not all the time as we have played some nice stuff on occasion and clearly i am not talking about those periods when i say it has been boring, yes styles of play are subjective to peoples preference but i challenge anyone to hand on heart tell me they have enjoyed those first halves over the last two months.
 

Yantino

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We are in transition and part way through a much needed rebuild. It's frustrating but fans need to accept the reality of the situation - you cannot expect free flowing, exciting, winning football with such inferior squad players. Our first 11 players are excellent. Beyond that it's pretty poor and that's what we are seeing at the moment.

Our end to last season was far from boring as we had those 11 players available.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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We are in transition and part way through a much needed rebuild. It's frustrating but fans need to accept the reality of the situation - you cannot expect free flowing, exciting, winning football with such inferior squad players. Our first 11 players are excellent. Beyond that it's pretty poor and that's what we are seeing at the moment.

Our end to last season was far from boring as we had those 11 players available.
That is part of the frustration, we haven't looked like the same side as we were at the back end of last season even before the fixture build up/injuries.
 

mil1lion

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I don't like when people roll out the Danny Blanchflower quote. Football has changed a lot since then. There are teams made up of billions with no soul who dominate with fantasy football teams. The tempo is also so high now and this schedule is taking its toll on the players. I loved how we were playing back end of last season and I have faith it will return. We had a good balance of not giving much away and creating plenty of chances. The Poch quote about players not being machines seems most relevant today. Let's face it the main issue is the corrupt game we have now. Teams being used for sports washing dodgy owners and a World Cup in a country it doesn't belong midway through a season. We could play attractive football and win nothing again or be patient to build a team that's still good to watch but might actually win something.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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Everyone’s got their opinion but I personally think there are only a select amount of clubs who can be picky about the style of football. A club that hasn’t won anything since 2008 isn’t one of them.
We win fuck all playing well or we win fuck all playing turgid football we are just that club it seems, i'd rather enjoy large parts of the season than not to be honest.

not that i think a change of manager will achieve anything or that i want Conte gone, i just want the shackles off a bit, getting outplayed by pretty much every team home or away is tiresome.
 

olliec

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How can anyone not enjoy our second half vs Liverpool. If we can actually set off on the front foot like that we won’t be boring at all. Just give this man time, and the football will come with it.
 

easley91

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Thats why i said not all the time as we have played some nice stuff on occasion and clearly i am not talking about those periods when i say it has been boring, yes styles of play are subjective to peoples preference but i challenge anyone to hand on heart tell me they have enjoyed those first halves over the last two months.
You didn't specify first halves though. I actually enjoyed the first half v Liverpool, and Everton, and Southampton. Don't think we were terrible v Bournemouth either.

And actually I enjoyed our defensive performances in the early parts of the season. Watching the opposition get frustrated and have to resort to crossing or long range efforts was fun for me personally. I know full well that's a controversial and unpopular opinion, but I am entitled to that opinion.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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How can anyone not enjoy our second half vs Liverpool. If we can actually set off on the front foot like that we won’t be boring at all. Just give this man time, and the football will come with it.
That is exactly it, soon as we have nothing to lose we turn it on, when a game is level the weight of the world is on the players and we are shackled.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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You didn't specify first halves though. I actually enjoyed the first half v Liverpool, and Everton, and Southampton. Don't think we were terrible v Bournemouth either.
Well i am clearly not talking about the handful of times we have played well this season mate, if you enjoy what we are serving up on the whole this season then fair enough but i don't think you do...in parts yes but it is boring no doubt about it.
 

matthew.absurdum

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Actually I think our football style has become "boring" before the appointment of Jose. Basically since the start of 2019 (Man City and Ajax away has nothing to do with our playing style)
 

easley91

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Well i am clearly not talking about the handful of times we have played well this season mate, if you enjoy what we are serving up on the whole this season then fair enough but i don't think you do...in parts yes but it is boring no doubt about it.
Seems to me you just want someone to agree with you and not like when they have a differing opinion. I already stated I enjoyed PARTS of the games. I agreed first halves lately on the whole have been sup par. But again what one person enjoys about football is different to someone else. I enjoy hard working defensive performances just as much as I enjoy front foot football, and as much as I enjoy grinding out last minute wins as well.
 

olliec

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That is exactly it, soon as we have nothing to lose we turn it on, when a game is level the weight of the world is on the players and we are shackled.
And that’s contes job to change that. He needs personnel in that are fearless and ready from the first whistle. We all know our defenders cannnot play out from the back until we are 2-0 down. Bentancur is always shackled in the first half, which is why we need more fearless CBs.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I don't like when people roll out the Danny Blanchflower quote. Football has changed a lot since then. There are teams made up of billions with no soul who dominate with fantasy football teams. The tempo is also so high now and this schedule is taking its toll on the players. I loved how we were playing back end of last season and I have faith it will return. We had a good balance of not giving much away and creating plenty of chances. The Poch quote about players not being machines seems most relevant today. Let's face it the main issue is the corrupt game we have now. Teams being used for sports washing dodgy owners and a World Cup in a country it doesn't belong midway through a season. We could play attractive football and win nothing again or be patient to build a team that's still good to watch but might actually win something.
You're right times and football is different but I still think the Danny Blanchflower quote is and will always be relevant to our club and DNA tbh, it would be a shame to lose that, those types of quotes and history and feelings which are stitched into the fabric of the club and fans are what makes football clubs so special imo.
 
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