Have you ever felt more disconnected?

[Mr Pink]

I loved it when we had Hudd in the middle lol Bale and Lennon on the wings...VDV in the ten...

We were so much fun to watch under Harry!!!

Just free flowing attacking football .or lottery football as BC used to call it.lol..but it was fun...it was proper football!!

 

[Gassin's finest]

What do you miss about it ?

The smells, the sounds. The old east upper. Less people, closer to the pitch, that wall of sound. Proper Park Lane/Shelfside chants. Less tourists and div's. Away fans in the corner of the Park Lane, so proper fan atmosphere. Pukka Pies and better coffee. That Pochettino flag. Not having to need an oxygen mask when I get to the top of the stairs. The Bill Nick...

Everything basically.

 

[JCRD]

Im disconnected but think as some have said here it is due to no success etc BUT that is due to no direction and no strategy etc which is what makes me despise us sometimes. Even without success I loved us because there was hope with how things were going and with the direction. We were good to watch, the team was likeable and the players were all together as a team. It genuinely doesnt feel like that at the moment, just feels meh...

Then again, I do dislike football as a whole at the moment, but I suspect that is because things arent getting better for us int he context of what is happening at other clubs. Id also say that the last two years has had an affect on people and what they value and now the war which kinds makes you think. We all know football is the most important thing of the least important things (im sure I read that somewhere)

 

[Stavrogin]

Even away from the macro level stuff like the direction the club is going or actual success etc...There just isn't anything to excite me over the course of 90 minutes. Other than a flash of creative brilliance from Kane it is stale and boring. Perhaps that's why I enjoyed Ndombele - because he would give a moment ( amongst crap) that wowed. Or Lamela gave an unpredictability or a reason to think he cared as much as you.

The noise of seats at WHL as everyone stood in unison as Lennon sprinted in to space even though it often ended in nothing..
Dembele turning away from 4 players gave a moment to gasp, even though it achieved little...
Ginola only scored 13 goals in 100 pl appearances - but the moments of childish delight his meandering runs and drops of the shoulders gave - it was fun.
Alderweireld, a CB, playing breathtaking 60 yard pass in behind - when we now have midfielders who can't even see that far...
Robbie Keane and that stupid fucking celebration made me grin like a kid..

On top of the disconnect we now have another manager, after several others, who likes bland functional footballers with little imagination. So with the disconnect with football and the club in general - the 90 minutes of football aren't even littered with fun anymore....

This is a good point. we don't have anyone that plays with genuine exuberance or guile... especially in the centre of midfield. Someone like Huddlestone, Carrick, Modric, Dembele, Van der Vaart, Eriksen etc. We have Kane and Son but it's not quite the same. They don't set the tone in the same way.

Although the midfield is very workman-like at the moment, it wouldn't take much to change the feel of the team. Just one player who can bring some creativity and authority would be immense.

 

[riggi]

What do you miss about it ?

I’d swap in a heartbeat.

 

[Tottenham_God]

The smells, the sounds. The old east upper. Less people, closer to the pitch, that wall of sound. Proper Park Lane/Shelfside chants. Less tourists and div's. Away fans in the corner of the Park Lane, so proper fan atmosphere. Pukka Pies and better coffee. That Pochettino flag. Not having to need an oxygen mask when I get to the top of the stairs. The Bill Nick...

Everything basically.

I’d swap in a heartbeat.

Genuinely curious. As an Australian I unfortunately never got the chance to visit White Heart Lane. Hold onto those memories. I'd have loved to have been just once

 

[SandroClegane]

Im disconnected but think as some have said here it is due to no success etc BUT that is due to no direction and no strategy etc which is what makes me despise us sometimes. Even without success I loved us because there was hope with how things were going and with the direction. We were good to watch, the team was likeable and the players were all together as a team. It genuinely doesnt feel like that at the moment, just feels meh...

This is exactly what I'm talking about, everyone thinks there's no direction or strategy because the team isn't performing to fans expectations. There's always a strategy, the fans may not be privy to it and it may not be 100% successful but there definitely is one.

When you don't have unlimited money and one of the signings you were really hoping to push you forward fails, that's a huge set back. But there was a strategy involved with bringing that signing in.

Strategy and direction are not a game by game thing, they are a long term process.

 

[dace]

I think the disconnected part comes from the clubs (all PL clubs) move just to make money. Most things are going this way now, just saw a docuseries on Netflix re. Boeing, same thing, it as all about making money for the owners, not the football anymore. Ever since Abramovich at Chelsea and now Man City (soon to be Newcastle) it has become a richer clubs wins all mentality, not to mention the MSM love/hate for certain clubs. Shame.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

The smells, the sounds. The old east upper. Less people, closer to the pitch, that wall of sound. Proper Park Lane/Shelfside chants. Less tourists and div's. Away fans in the corner of the Park Lane, so proper fan atmosphere. Pukka Pies and better coffee. That Pochettino flag. Not having to need an oxygen mask when I get to the top of the stairs. The Bill Nick...

Everything basically.

Fantastic post.

I think i have realised more so in the last couple of years that i was swept up in the 'big club, challenging, new stadium' and all that comes with it but when faced with the reality i actually miss how the club was when growing up... less expectation more enjoyment.

 

[dudu]

I think the disconnected part comes from the clubs (all PL clubs) move just to make money. Most things are going this way now, just saw a docuseries on Netflix re. Boeing, same thing, it as all about making money for the owners, not the football anymore. Ever since Abramovich at Chelsea and now Man City (soon to be Newcastle) it has become a richer clubs wins all mentality, not to mention the MSM love/hate for certain clubs. Shame.

Exactly.

Too many people on here are focussing on hating the player rather than hating the game and the same people would be more than happy to welcome owners that would contribute to the demise of football even further.

Spurs are where they are in the pecking order of English football because other teams were allowed to buy as many trophies as they wanted, not because we are badly run. The whole system is rotten from the ground.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

The smells, the sounds. The old east upper. Less people, closer to the pitch, that wall of sound. Proper Park Lane/Shelfside chants. Less tourists and div's. Away fans in the corner of the Park Lane, so proper fan atmosphere. Pukka Pies and better coffee. That Pochettino flag. Not having to need an oxygen mask when I get to the top of the stairs. The Bill Nick...

Everything basically.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I think the disconnected part comes from the clubs (all PL clubs) move just to make money. Most things are going this way now, just saw a docuseries on Netflix re. Boeing, same thing, it as all about making money for the owners, not the football anymore. Ever since Abramovich at Chelsea and now Man City (soon to be Newcastle) it has become a richer clubs wins all mentality, not to mention the MSM love/hate for certain clubs. Shame.

Exactly my sentiments. Its what the game has become at this level that I'm disconnected with, not the game itself.

 

[JCRD]

This is exactly what I'm talking about, everyone thinks there's no direction or strategy because the team isn't performing to fans expectations. There's always a strategy, the fans may not be privy to it and it may not be 100% successful but there definitely is one.

When you don't have unlimited money and one of the signings you were really hoping to push you forward fails, that's a huge set back. But there was a strategy involved with bringing that signing in.

Strategy and direction are not a game by game thing, they are a long term process.

Look where we are now from when Poch left. One of two things has happened, we had a strategy but we didnt go about it properly or we had no strategy and direction.

Now im one who doesnt bow smoke up Contes ass, but didnt he say that we are a big club outside of the pitch but whats on the pitch doesn reconcile with outside stuff eg stadium, training facilities etc? if that is the case, then yeah I dont think we had a strategy or direction

A strategy that goes from Jose, to Nuno and then to Conte isnt something id call direction.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Look where we are now from when Poch left. One of two things has happened, we had a strategy but we didnt go about it properly or we had no strategy and direction.

Now im one who doesnt bow smoke up Contes ass, but didnt he say that we are a big club outside of the pitch but whats on the pitch doesn reconcile with outside stuff eg stadium, training facilities etc? if that is the case, then yeah I dont think we had a strategy or direction

A strategy that goes from Jose, to Nuno and then to Conte isnt something id call direction.

Poch kept saying the exact same things though. You've built the nice big house, now you need to add the furniture.

Right at the start of AoN series, Poch's in his office with Perez, and says: "If you see a house fall down, everyone see's it fall. But you have to anticipate that the house will fall." He knew it was coming.

 

[pangtong]

Being labelled a 'Legacy Fan' when the ESL thing came out made me 'disconnect' myself.

 

[mattdefoe]

I do feel a lot of the disconnect is driven by how much time we consume into Spurs and Football through social media .

The amount of negative articles , tweets , posts about Spurs do anger fans . We never had it like this before social media . We had far darker times , our rivals won the league on our stadium And went unbeaten etc . Imagine that happening now it would be even more unbearable

Social media and the constant carry on in the media makes the disconnect feel far worse

 

[JCRD]

Poch kept saying the exact same things though. You've built the nice big house, now you need to add the furniture.

Right at the start of AoN series, Poch's in his office with Perez, and says: "If you see a house fall down, everyone see's it fall. But you have to anticipate that the house will fall." He knew it was coming.

I think most of us knew it was coming. I asked the question, when people thought Poch should go, on whether it would best to give Poch that opportunity to rebuild than to hand it over to someone else. Well three years later... and have we in any way progressed in a way that makes you go 'yeah we know what we are doing etc' ... we all felt connected to Poch and the club, but dont think the majority would be connected to Conte or his predecessors.

We may get CL this year and whilst part of me wants us to reset and focus on the bread and butter in terms of the PL and the two domestic cups, the CL is a great competition for us to allow us to rebuild squad wise..

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

I don't miss the old stadium at all. It was just bricks and mortar. And virtually nothing remained of the pre 1980's structure anyway.

Sure the atmosphere could be great at the old Lane. But it could also be shit. And when it was, the away fans were far, far more noticeable than they are at the new stadium. On such occasions - which were all too frequent - the experience was horrible. Much worse than it is now.

The problem is that our team has been a bit crap ever since we moved to the new stadium. So we haven't had all that much to sing about. But when we're playing well, winning, and the fans are in full voice, the atmosphere at the new stadium is every bit as good as it was at the old. Two games against Manchester City stand out - the CL quarter final and the opening game of this season (the first full crowd since COVID). The atmosphere during each game was easily the equal of anything I ever experienced at the old Lane. Possibly even better.

In the meanwhile, the user experience at the new stadium is, of course, far superior.

Nevertheless, I am genuinely considering giving up my season ticket. It's not the team. I have had a season ticket for 25 years and was a member for nigh on 10 years before that, so I have had to suffer far, far worse Spurs teams than the one we currently have. Even in the 80's, although we won a few cups, we were generally much worse in the league than we are now.

The problem for me now is our fans. I cannot bear the relentless negativity. I won't say that fans don't have the right to be negative - they can be whatever they want. But I will say that it wasn't always thus; not to anything like this degree, despite us being subjected to far worse teams back in the day. I genuinely no longer enjoy going to football. And I can't help but take the bad vibes back home with me afterwards. None of us needs that in our lives.

 

[Albertbarich]

I never have felt like I cared less but there are numerous reasons.

- football itself has become a disgusting cesspit.
- I cant afford to go.
- I've more important things to worry about with a baby and househunting.
- also and I think this is true for many. Football is supposed to be escapism. Well when were not very good it's not much fun to escape into.

 

[C1w8]

The smells, the sounds. The old east upper. Less people, closer to the pitch, that wall of sound. Proper Park Lane/Shelfside chants. Less tourists and div's. Away fans in the corner of the Park Lane, so proper fan atmosphere. Pukka Pies and better coffee. That Pochettino flag. Not having to need an oxygen mask when I get to the top of the stairs. The Bill Nick...

Everything basically.

Basically all this, but if youve just been the odd time or two it wouldnt have the same impact obvs...

Funny about the away end thing, thats the bit i find as hard as any to adjust to...i rarely actually sat close to them but having the away end on the polar opposite side of the stadium and scoring 2nd half towards the south rather than north still feels the wrong way round and probably always will a bit