How come Spurs are doing so well?

[rich75]

We spent 100 million quid mostly on footballers with potential, they needed time to be integrated.

They had time or at least they had as much time as Levy was prepared to allow.

We lost 3 games, if Tim loses 3 games on the spin should we expecting him to be sacked?

Nothing to do with it. That's something you've raised and not one of the reasons I gave .

Dull football and not scoring from open play is enough to get someone sacked even if they get results? The first half against palace was nothing to write home about.

AVB wasn't in charge against Palace so it's not relevant. Dull football and not scoring will only get you so far, in AVB's case it was somewhere round 7th in the league and occasionally getting battered by sides we'd hope to compete with.

Didn't play an experienced striker? That's up to the coach nothing to do with the chairman.

It is, but if the chairman believes it's causing the club harm then it may well factor into him deciding to fire the coach.

Who did AVB piss off?

Like I said, it was only rumoured and so I didn't include it beyond mentioning it in passing.

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[Bus-Conductor]

The 0-5 came at the end of a run that had also seen 0-3 to WHAM and 0-6 to City with a ton of uninspiring performances in between, despite picking up points here and there.

Anyway, I think it had more to do with AVB acting out the real life version of How to Lose Friends and Alienate People.

Not quite a "run of games" more half a season. There were 7 games in between West ham and ManC, of which we won 5, drew 1 and lost 1. 5 games between the ManC and Liverpool games of which we won 4 and drew 1. In 26 games in all comps under AVB we lost 5 times. 3 of them to teams in the top 3 at the time. 2 of them away at the top 2 teams.

 

[talkshowhost86]

It's probably about time I admitted that I have done a deal with the devil.

For the very princely sum of my soul, I have agreed that Spurs will do well this season despite playing badly, having unpopular managers and generally looking like a complete shambles.

You all owe me big time.

 

[rich75]

Pretty much because I didn't like the ridiculously over the top description of the football we were playing at the end.

Dislike may have been strong considering I don't really get emotionally involved with any posts on here. I probably could have gone with a 'really really disagree' rating if one was present.

Also, it's all true in your opinion. In mine some of it is true, some of it's opinion, some of it's over the top hyperbole and some of it is unsubstantiated rumours. Just because you agree with it doesn't make it a 'fact that its all true'.

And I thought I was being restrained, oh well, can't please everyone can you.

 

[mpickard2087]

"We were extremely reluctant to make a change mid-season, but felt we had to do so in the Club's best interests.

"We have a great squad and we owe them a Head Coach who will bring out the best in them and allow them to flourish and enjoy a strong, exciting finish to the season.

"We are in the fortunate position of having within our Club a talented coach in Tim Sherwood.

"We believe Tim has both the knowledge and the drive to take the squad forward."

Pretty conclusive if you ask me.

Just commenting based on the whole 'AVB got sacked for....' argument.

I think they were thinking of getting rid of him, but AVB beat them to the punch. The guy looked destroyed during that Liverpool game so personally I think he took his ball and ran off home. Mutual Consent was the official reason given, both sides wanted out.

The fact we scrambled around for a replacement for a week, quickly realising De Boer, Laudrup, Pochettino didn't want to come and Capello, Klinsmann and Van Gaal couldn't in World Cup year, before giving Tim and Co. the job suggests we didn't have anything lined up, so AVB wasn't 'supposed' to be relieved of his duties at that time. I'd be astounded if the masterplan was to give Sherwood the role as interim manager.

 

[dspursusa]

Simple answer is - AVB

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Simple answer is - AVB

What's the question?

 

[worcestersauce]

It's probably about time I admitted that I have done a deal with the devil.

For the very princely sum of my soul, I have agreed that Spurs will do well this season despite playing badly, having unpopular managers and generally looking like a complete shambles.

You all owe me big time.

How very Faustian!

 

[mattyspurs]

What's the question?

How come Spurs are doing so well?

Come on dude, keep up!

 

[Spurs_Bear]

How come Spurs are doing so well?

Come on dude, keep up!

Soz.

 

[mattyspurs]

Soz.

It's ok, it's easy to get confused with all of these similar threads

 

[talkshowhost86]

It's an interesting point generally though.

We have been pretty turd this season in the league even when we've been winning (less so under Sherwood, other than against Palace) and we've had a lot of horrendous results.

And yet we're only 8 points off the top of the league where an Arsenal team sit who have been (upsettingly) phenomenal this season, and very close to the top 4.

Some sort of voodoo must be at work.

 

[Mullers]

It's like you're annoyed with yourself and don't really know what the argument should be...

I haven't got a clue about what you on about, Please explain.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Because AVB picked up so many points playing 'boring' football at the beginning of the season.

 

[Spurger King]

It's an interesting point generally though.

We have been pretty turd this season in the league even when we've been winning (less so under Sherwood, other than against Palace) and we've had a lot of horrendous results.

And yet we're only 8 points off the top of the league where an Arsenal team sit who have been (upsettingly) phenomenal this season, and very close to the top 4.

Some sort of voodoo must be at work.

We were excellent away from home under AVB (obviously not including the City result). Even as someone who was slipping into a coma due to his brand of tortoise ball, I'd always say that our performances and results on the road were outstanding.

At home we've gained the same amount of points as Hull, and one more than Stoke.

If we swapped our home points for away points, we'd have the 5th highest amount of home points in the league (interestingly, only one point behind Arsenal). If we swapped our away points for our home points we'd have the third highest amount of away points in the league.

In short, our average home performances have been compensated for by our excellent away form. Only Arsenal have gained more points away from home than us (by 3 points), having played one more game than us.

That's the main reason we're still doing well in the league. AVB either quit or was sacked because he wasn't able to come up with ways for us to successfully impose ourselves on the opposition when at the Lane. If a team was set up to attack (like most home teams are) he could react to that brilliantly. Unfortunately he set us up like an away team when we were at home, which leads to a stalemate when the away team is happy to sit back and try to snatch a point.

Thems my onions.

 

[Mullers]

They had time or at least they had as much time as Levy was prepared to allow.

Which wasn't much, a quarter of the season or a bit more than that, sometimes players don't come good until the next season.

Nothing to do with it. That's something you've raised and not one of the reasons I gave .

Well one of the reasons you gave for his sacking was that we lost to direct and local rivals, I assumed you were talking about west ham , city and Liverpool. If you weren't talking about them, then who were you talking about?

AVB wasn't in charge against Palace so it's not relevant. Dull football and not scoring will only get you so far, in AVB's case it was somewhere round 7th in the league and occasionally getting battered by sides we'd hope to compete with.

It is relevant as dull football is one of the reasons you gave for AVB's sacking.

It is, but if the chairman believes it's causing the club harm then it may well factor into him deciding to fire the coach.

So then he might as well be the coach, that is the only way to guarantee the players he wants to play in the side.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I haven't got a clue about what you on about, Please explain.

Like, you're really angry right? But you are venting your anger in a lot of directions and I can't work out who you are more angry with. Is Levy the main culprit? Baldini? Sherwood? I don't know.

 

[whatsappnin]

chicken curry

 

[Mullers]

Like, you're really angry right? But you are venting your anger in a lot of directions and I can't work out who you are more angry with. Is Levy the main culprit? Baldini? Sherwood? I don't know.

I am annoyed that AVB was sacked and I keep asking the question why was he sacked because I genuinely don't know why. The main culprit for that is of course Levy, I would have given him some slack if I thought that he really did believe Sherwood is the man for the job, but he obviously doesn't, so once again he is employing a coach he doesn't trust to do the job.

 

[talkshowhost86]

We were excellent away from home under AVB (obviously not including the City result). Even as someone who was slipping into a coma due to his brand of tortoise ball, I'd always say that our performances and results on the road were outstanding.

At home we've gained the same amount of points as Hull, and one more than Stoke.

If we swapped our home points for away points, we'd have the 5th highest amount of home points in the league (interestingly, only one point behind Arsenal). If we swapped our away points for our home points we'd have the third highest amount of away points in the league.

In short, our average home performances have been compensated for by our excellent away form. Only Arsenal have gained more points away from home than us (by 3 points), having played one more game than us.

That's the main reason we're still doing well in the league. AVB either quit or was sacked because he wasn't able to come up with ways for us to successfully impose ourselves on the opposition when at the Lane. If a team was set up to attack (like most home teams are) he could react to that brilliantly. Unfortunately he set us up like an away team when we were at home, which leads to a stalemate when the away team is happy to sit back and try to snatch a point.

Thems my onions.

Wise onions. Very wise.

Under Sherwood I feel like the opposite might be true, although we've done okay away so far under The Forest.