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We'll see after the West Ham game.
pfft why wait so long? His first game was a draw, if the next isn't a win it means we aren't improving so sack him ;-)
We'll see after the West Ham game.
pfft why wait so long? His first game was a draw, if the next isn't a win it means we aren't improving so sack him ;-)
What do you mean by 'does not work'? Only Ramos 'didn't work' - we were likely to be relegated. All of the others, since Levy changed his approach in 2003/04, 'worked': we won most of our matches, we were improving over any chosen 3 year period and we played entertaining football.
Because the way to build a successful team with its own style and personality is to let the manager create that style and that personality. As long as we aren't in danger of relegation, we should leave the manager alone.
Every time in the past 10 years that we have replaced the manager, with exception of the time we were in relegation trouble under Ramos, we have been pursuing a 'next level', but we have gone backwards. Ramos was not an upgrade on Jol, AVB was not an upgrade on Redknapp and Sherwood was not an upgrade on AVB. All that was accomplished by replacing them was to destabilise the squad, throw away years of tactical instruction and consistency and encourage certain players (who were happy under the incumbent manager) to leave the club.
We haven't appointed any really shit managers since 2004 - they've all been pretty bright, talented guys. What they needed was to be left in a condition of job security for 4-6 years. Especially Redknapp, who managed to combine ability with achievement.
Instead, every time we appeared to be settling into our role as the 'next, most likely club', we'd change tack again. Most of the time, this was incredibly frustrating. But once, when Levy sacked Redknapp, it was pure insanity.
I think those saying two full years are being rather optimistic. The mean lifetime of a prem manager in a job is 379 days...and Spurs are not exactly the club setting the longevity records (although, we are actually far from the worst).
My prediction:
In or around relegation places at Christmas = sacked.
Anything below 6th at the end of the season would be considered a complete failure, = sacked.
Finishing 6th = possibly sacked.
If not sacked this season, finishing outside the CL places next season = sacked, unless a major cup (EL or FA) were won (winning the first equaling CL, of course).
No way will he get "2 full years to get his ideas across", unless that period of idea conveying is accompanied by the achievement of the club's short term aim, which is in our case getting into the CL. Which has been our short-term aim for an awful long time!
Not saying that is the way it should necessarily be, just how it actually is if you look at the PL manager's job.
I think it's fairly obvious that the '4th or you're gone' policy doesn't apply to Poch. We haven't brought in a manager reputed to be a tactical genius but rather one who has a reputation for working with what he's got and developing young players. Levy will want a return from last summer's Bale fueled spending spree.
I believe after many failures to find the next managerial genius and become an overnight success Levy has realised we don't have the financial clout to compete for CL places in the league. We are now marking time until the new stadium is built and we have a better chance of competing for the top players financially. Poch has been brought in to develop young players ready for an assault on the CL places once the new stadium is in place.
It helps that he has a reputation for playing attractive football to placate the fans as I don't see many big money signings until the new stadium is in place, especially not older players who might not be around when it is completed. We'll get decent football to watch and will probably take the cups far more seriously than in recent seasons, but we won't be troubling the 'Top 4' for a good while.
Barring a relegation threat Poch is safe until the new stadium is built. After that ... who knows? Levy is Levy .
How long? Until it doesn't make sense anymore.
It didn't make a lot of sense to get rid of AVB when we did, especially not with how the season continued to unravel after he left. Sherwood leaving when he did made sense.
Once the wheels come off or there's been evidence to, not suggest, but confirm that a philosophy isn't working and most likely never will, that's when a manager should go.
I find that a little hard to believe. There is a certain track record here - hell, they've sacked a manager that finished 4th. I think he will get sacked if we don't finish 5th, personally. Of course I hope that's not the case (neither the sacking, nor, the finishing 5th or lower). Because we are 5th in money - so anything below 5th is under performing. That's the way they look at. And who knows, maybe they're right. We seem to be consistently 5th +- 1 regardless of the manager for several years now. It's just a pity that the magic spot is 4th, not 5th...
I think those saying two full years are being rather optimistic. The mean lifetime of a prem manager in a job is 379 days...and Spurs are not exactly the club setting the longevity records (although, we are actually far from the worst).
My prediction:
In or around relegation places at Christmas = sacked.
Anything below 6th at the end of the season would be considered a complete failure, = sacked.
Finishing 6th = possibly sacked.
If not sacked this season, finishing outside the CL places next season = sacked, unless a major cup (EL or FA) were won (winning the first equaling CL, of course).
No way will he get "2 full years to get his ideas across", unless that period of idea conveying is accompanied by the achievement of the club's short term aim, which is in our case getting into the CL. Which has been our short-term aim for an awful long time!
Not saying that is the way it should necessarily be, just how it actually is if you look at the PL manager's job.
We have the 6th highest wage bill in the league, not 5th.
Ok, good to know. I thought we were 5th in something...revenue? At any rate, I think finishing 5th would be the average result expected of us, and 4th the hope. I mean at board level, fans have wildly different views.
You would say City and Chelsea have bought their places in the top 4 more or less guaranteed each year (my personal opinion is that the FA should offer to just sell them those places directly, which is essentially what happens anyhow, and put that enormous amount of money into e.g. the lower leagues or something worthy, rather than all that money going into the pockets of agents). Then ManU and Arse always usually finish ahead of us (ManU with one probably never-to-be-repeated blip). We usually (lately) finish ahead of Liverpool and Everton. Pool had a great Suarez-fueled year last year - you might argue he was even more important to them than Bale for us the season before last. We should expect that we can finish ahead of them, in spite of some deluded fools talking about a "big 5" with pool in it, on the basis of them finishing in the top 4, even 5, once in the last 5 or so seasons.
Then, have to hope one of the real big 4 has an off season (and we don't!) which after all does happen pretty much every year to one of them.
So I still maintain Poch will probably get sacked if we finish 6th. Not to say I think necessarily he should be, depends on the way it plays out, but that's the history.