How many more games are we going to give Juande?

[Hazard]

Bring in Eriksson. At least he might shore up the defence.

 

[fazza]

Eriksson's in Mexico, he won't want the Poison chalace that is Tottenham.

 

[robofan]

In the 1987-88 season, Ferguson made several major signings, including Steve Bruce, Viv Anderson, Brian McClair and Jim Leighton. The new players made a great contribution to a United team who finished in second place, nine points behind Liverpool. United were expected to do well when Mark Hughes returned to the club two years after leaving for Barcelona, but the 1988–89 season was a disappointment for them, finishing eleventh in the league and losing 1–0 at home to Nottingham Forest in the FA Cup quarter final.
For the 1989-90 season, Ferguson further boosted his squad by paying large sums of money for midfielders Neil Webb and Paul Ince, as well as defender Gary Pallister (a national record £2.3million signing from Middlesbrough). The season began well with a 4-1 win over defending champions Arsenal on the opening day, but United's league form quickly turned sour. In September, United suffered a humiliating 5–1 away defeat against fierce rivals Manchester City. Following this and an early season run of six defeats and two draws in eight games, a banner declaring "Three years of excuses and it's still crap. Ta ra Fergie." was displayed at Old Trafford, and many journalists and supporters called for Ferguson to be sacked.[32] Ferguson later described December 1989 as "the darkest period [he had] ever suffered in the game."[33]
Following a run of seven games without a win,



anything here sound vaguely familiar ?

 

[Real_madyidd]

Eriksson's in Mexico, he won't want the Poison chalace that is Tottenham.

If the money is there he will come.

 

[DoublePivot]

Actually Eriksson is on tenuous ground with the Mexican FA after a loss to Jamaica and a draw with Canada. He's available as anyone who loses to mes Rouges should be. We only would have to ask.

 

[DoublePivot]

In the 1987-88 season, Ferguson made several major signings, including Steve Bruce, Viv Anderson, Brian McClair and Jim Leighton. The new players made a great contribution to a United team who finished in second place, nine points behind Liverpool. United were expected to do well when Mark Hughes returned to the club two years after leaving for Barcelona, but the 1988–89 season was a disappointment for them, finishing eleventh in the league and losing 1–0 at home to Nottingham Forest in the FA Cup quarter final.
For the 1989-90 season, Ferguson further boosted his squad by paying large sums of money for midfielders Neil Webb and Paul Ince, as well as defender Gary Pallister (a national record £2.3million signing from Middlesbrough). The season began well with a 4-1 win over defending champions Arsenal on the opening day, but United's league form quickly turned sour. In September, United suffered a humiliating 5–1 away defeat against fierce rivalsManchester City. Following this and an early season run of six defeats and two draws in eight games, a banner declaring "Three years of excuses and it's still crap. Ta ra Fergie." was displayed at Old Trafford, and many journalists and supporters called for Ferguson to be sacked.[32] Ferguson later described December 1989 as "the darkest period [he had] ever suffered in the game."[33]
Following a run of seven games without a win,



anything here sound vaguely familiar ?

Yes the same old hack-kneed cliche about Ferguson being mentioned when any coach on any team is in trouble sounds very familiar.

Ramos ain't Fergie.

 

[fazza]

Well in that case i'd take the Swede in an instant.

 

[fazza]

In the 1987-88 season, Ferguson made several major signings, including Steve Bruce, Viv Anderson, Brian McClair and Jim Leighton. The new players made a great contribution to a United team who finished in second place, nine points behind Liverpool. United were expected to do well when Mark Hughes returned to the club two years after leaving for Barcelona, but the 1988–89 season was a disappointment for them, finishing eleventh in the league and losing 1–0 at home to Nottingham Forest in the FA Cup quarter final.
For the 1989-90 season, Ferguson further boosted his squad by paying large sums of money for midfielders Neil Webb and Paul Ince, as well as defender Gary Pallister (a national record £2.3million signing from Middlesbrough). The season began well with a 4-1 win over defending champions Arsenal on the opening day, but United's league form quickly turned sour. In September, United suffered a humiliating 5–1 away defeat against fierce rivalsManchester City. Following this and an early season run of six defeats and two draws in eight games, a banner declaring "Three years of excuses and it's still crap. Ta ra Fergie." was displayed at Old Trafford, and many journalists and supporters called for Ferguson to be sacked.[32] Ferguson later described December 1989 as "the darkest period [he had] ever suffered in the game."[33]
Following a run of seven games without a win,



anything here sound vaguely familiar ?

Ramos is no Fergie, where's the chewing gum and hair dryer:shrug:

Can you imagine Ramos with hair dryer treatment with that voice :rofl:

 

[robofan]

no he aint no fergie at the minute, but fergie wasnt the fergie he is now back then.

 

[joey55]

no he aint no fergie at the minute, but fergie wasnt the fergie he is now back then.

Didn't Fergie save them from relegation in his first season and then finish 2nd the following season? Anyway the Ferguson example was much more relevant to Jol last year. Are you in some way connected to the club? You always seem defend the current regime. I really hope Levy isn't basing his decisions on old examples like this. The pre Prem era was totally different. Financially the difference between finishing 17th and 2nd really wasn't anything like it is now. There was no European football back then, we were banned.

 

[Rackybear]

I agree with robofan about the fergie / ramos comparison.

Yes - Ramos is not SAF, but SAF was not the same man he was now then.

Ramos has showed enough managerial credentials to suggest he is a quality manager, who can get the best out of a group of players. No manager flukes his way to third in la liga challenging for the title till the last day of the season, two succesive uefa cup wins as well as numerous trophies in spain, to then go to another club and win them a trophy in in his first 4 months in charge - when their last trophy was under a decade ago.

He has not become a shit manager over night, or over the course of 2 months. Give him time, he will eventually crack the premiership and the style / play needed to suceed in it, he is too clever not too do that.

Furthermore, I dont think we have the right personell at the club to succesfully play the brand of football that he desires. I honestly dont think Bent nor Pav will cut it in this system or in this team, and we need a new set of strikers. The blame for this imo goes to commoli, who imo is the one that should be getting sacked / resigning.

At least give ramos until january to bring in some players and see how we adjust after that.

He will suceed given time - mark my words.

 

[Wsussexspur]

I've been doing the same thing now for the last 6 weeks, I almost get excited at the prospect of the yellow banner flashing across the bottom of SSN :rofl:

To be honest I got excited on sunday or Monday night when i flicked over to sky sports news and just saw the word sacked on the yellow bar! I thought for split second! Thank god Levys finally seen sense I was so disappointed when I saw it was Alex Ray I think Motherwell or Dundees manager had been sacked!

 

[camaj]

GenericID, in responce to your neg saying "You're just trolling now", I'm not.

I was trying to pro rep you but they won't let me until I've given more out

As much as you lot don't want to hear it, Flatters is spot on. Look at what's wrong, rather than trying to find someone to blame.

Ramos isn't perfect, but do you believe if he took over at Chelsea, they'd be in the same position? The only reason I'd be inclined to sack him is because players seem to respond to a change in manager, even if a new one is worse than the one leaving!

Otherwise, he's done very little wrong to justify it. His been given a bunch of players who never knew each other before June and told "okay turn this lot into a team". It's possible of course but it takes time, a lot of time, to do. They will get better, but not because of anything Ramos or a replacement will do, but because they will have gelled.

I find it funny when people predictably called for Ramos to be sacked after the last two games. Clearly these people made their minds up a long time ago and every time we don't win is another excuse to say "sack Ramos".

Is it his fault that we got two reds and gave two penalties away at Stoke? Is it his fault that we gave a penalty away in Italy and saw a 3rd red card? Blame Gomes, Bale, O'hara, Woody and Dawson. Blame Lennon for running around like a dog chasing his tale. Blame JJ for not stopping the second tonight.

Ramos is not perfect, I question some of his decisions but to lay it all on him when the players are clearly useless is unfair. The players get paid a fortune but they take all the credit when things go wrong but none of the blame when they don't. No one is stopping them from going out and winning.

The best thing we, the fans, can do is be optimistic and get behind the players. If we have the same atmosphere against Bolton, that we had against Hull we've got a good shot at a first win. If everyone goes there expecting to lose or waiting for the players to motivate us, we'll lose. If you're going, make some noise FFS!

 

[Mr Gamgee]

whats frustrating me most is the fans that say we shouldnt be blaming Ramos, he hasnt beeen given the team he wanted blah blah blah.

Ok he could have done with another striker and a DM. BUT im sorry he has a huge wealth of talent in that squad and he gets paid MILLIONS of £ a year to get results with whatever squad he has.

The roles of transfers negociations, fitness, skills etc have all been stripped away and his job is to coach the team, go through the tactical side of the game and get a group of 11 individuals playing as a team. Are we playing as a team? NO, are our tactic right? NO are our formations right? NO do we play with any confidence? NO have we improved in any areas of the pitch since he took over? NO. I could go on, but the point is he is not doing his job.

Im not saying he is the only one to blame, and i would love it if he could turn it round but i just dont believe he has what it takes to be a succesful manager in this league.

 

[jondesouza]

I don't know. I'm willing to give him at least another 25 minutes to win me round.