I don't understand why you're all so ****** off with Ramos. Blame Keane and Berbatov.

[Bobishism]

Forget about Pavlyuchenko and Bent. These two players created and score the majority of our goals last season. Their leaving has really fucked us over, by the looks of things far more severely than Campbell did.

Also Jenas really needs to start taking on some of that responsibility that Keane had. As someone else said, he needs to do his talking on the pitch, not to the papers. This has to be the now or never moment for him with his Tottenham career.

 

[polski sklep]

It is not Berba and Keane's fault Ramos picked Gilberto to counter the unsurmountable threat of Glen Little!

We can only deal with what we've got, no good can come from lingering on past players.

 

[ackie]

We can't keep blaming these two prats! We should have dealt with it. We never got a replacement for Keane and surely we must have known that Pav, after all the playing in Russian League that he may be tired and that he would take time to settle in Premiership!
The board allowed these to happen and as much as i appreciated what Levy has done unfortunately he messed up with no ideal replacements!

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

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[teddyboy]

Forget about Pavlyuchenko and Bent. These two players created and score the majority of our goals last season. Their leaving has really fucked us over, by the looks of things far more severely than Campbell did.

Also Jenas really needs to start taking on some of that responsibility that Keane had. As someone else said, he needs to do his talking on the pitch, not to the papers. This has to be the now or never moment for him with his Tottenham career.

Hang on, rewind - Pavlyuchenko was even at spurs last season...!!
:shrug:

:up:

 

[senseispab]

It's not their fault for being ambitious. It's Spurs' fault for ballsing things up in myriad ways....

 

[Petyr]

Instead of blaming Keane and Berbatov, be better grateful that they saved the team from relegation last season, won a cup and brought some 50m (30m profit) to the club.

Hatred is a main source of suffering. Get over their transfers and move on.

 

[Bobishism]

It is not Berba and Keane's fault Ramos picked Gilberto to counter the unsurmountable threat of Glen Little!

Yes it is.

We can't keep blaming these two prats! We should have dealt with it.

Then we can't blame Ramos.

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Fuck that.

Hang on, rewind - Pavlyuchenko was even at spurs last season...!!
:shrug:

:up:

It's not their fault for being ambitious.

Yes it is.

 

[Michey]

If someones should be blamed....it must be Levy and Comolli for making a mess outta selling Keane & Berbatov and then not replace them.

It's a stab in the back on Ramos and Poyet.

Support our management and players.....they're gonna need it during this autumn!

 

[teddyboy]

If we are looking to blame anyone here then surely it must be General Levy.

 

[puppa_toni]

It's not their fault for being ambitious. It's Spurs' fault for ballsing things up in myriad ways....

Kinda agree, they'll be playing champions big cup this season while our players may not even make group stage of the uefa europa little interest cup. Those rats probably jumped ship at about the right time!

 

[Damian99]

Lets also blame Glenn Hoddle, Chris Waddle, Gary Lineker, Paul Gascoigne etc etc. Lots of class players have left through the gates of WHL. Did you want keane and Berbs to play on into their 60s cos even if they hadn't left us, they would have left us eventually.

 

[teddyboy]

Actually I would like to retract my earlier comment labelling Levy as the buffoon behind this nightmare. He does have some part to play but I think there is blame at the door of Berba as well. The way in which he went completely missing before he actually departed, for me was worse than when Gally threw his shirt on the floor. Berba was a legend but his failure to show he was 100% professional and committed until he moved to Man Pooh said a lot. So much so that if Ii ever come across him in public I would very likely find myself doing something I may well regret. Fucking lazy arse wet boy.

 

[sxboy]

In a strange way i kind of agree, I blame this mess on the upstairs shambles for the fact that with Keane gone and Berb imminent they should have lined up cover signings once the Berb price had been reached and it was bang on he was going to move to man u we should have had emergency signings lined up just in case Arsharvin or whoever fell through as it did.

Berb was always going he knew, that we knew that, man u knew that, it was a matter of getting the right price for him (like it or not it is still a business) with the whole tapping up thing it pushed it to the wire but more importantly the Keane out of the blue transfer made it that much harder. At this point every team in the world now knew we have money , we need players and berb is going sooner or later as well.

I loved Robbie Keane he was a great player and i am sure we miss him as much in the dressing room as on the pitch, but as soon as Liverpool came in for him he didnt give a flying fuck about Berb leaving and the state it would leave us in, He didnt care about any of us, have you still got the images in your head of him after we won the cup last year? what happened to that player?

I dont blame any player for wanting to play for a childhood team or better themselves but it is for the reasons above that in a way i blame Robbie Keane as much as anything for our position at the moment. That is why i sort of agree.

 

[polski sklep]

Actually I would like to retract my earlier comment labelling Levy as the buffoon behind this nightmare. He does have some part to play but I think there is blame at the door of Berba as well. The way in which he went completely missing before he actually departed, for me was worse than when Gally threw his shirt on the floor. Berba was a legend but his failure to show he was 100% professional and committed until he moved to Man Pooh said a lot. So much so that if Ii ever come across him in public I would very likely find myself doing something I may well regret. Fucking lazy arse wet boy.

Poyet admitted he knew Berba was leaving. Ramos chose not to pick him. So, in effect, he should understandably not be considered a full member of the squad. As much as we weren't in his plans, he wasn't in ours. It's quite an unsettling situation, for both parties (and more-so an individual) when the same conclusion is understood by all but the outcome seems so unclear.

Once the season had begun, Berbatov and Spurs would have preferred him to be playing for Man Utd, for one reason or another. It is understandable that he and the management were affected by the ongoing complicated transfer, as opposed to simply his attitude. Therefore, I would rather he did not play if any party considered that he was not able to play to his full capacity.

Footballers sometimes speak of various incidents, outside of what happens on the pitch, effecting their game such as injuries or being a substitute. It is harder to emphasise when a player is effected by a transfer because most of us have not been in a similar situation.

 

[senseispab]

Yes it is.

And that is why you don't have a winning mentality.

 

[gibbs131]

I blame the person who would entertain agreeing a fee for Berbs or Keane.

Prem striking partnerships are like gold dust.

 

[polski sklep]

I blame the person who would entertain agreeing a fee for Berbs or Keane.

Prem striking partnerships are like gold dust.

The easy sale of Carrick set a precedent for future dealings, putting us back a number of years. Berbatov's transfer to United emphasised our position as a team who places profit above progress (strengthening our rivals in the process).

These type of sales should only occur if a plan is in place to invest that profit. As yet, it would appear those in charge are not capable of doing so. Without them, we wouldn't have had our recent success but under the current philosophy/regime, we seem unlikely to make significant progress on what we've already accomplished.

 

[Dr Know]

If someones should be blamed....it must be Levy and Comolli for making a mess outta selling Keane & Berbatov and then not replace them.

It's a stab in the back on Ramos and Poyet.

Support our management and players.....they're gonna need it during this autumn!

That is the most sensible post yet.

Ramos seemed to make mistakes with the selections but regardless of the selection we still loose!!! so that kills that.

Keane & Berba played a part in our troubles but only because Levy & Comolli fcuked up, we knew that they wanted out and as far as I'm concerned we had enough time to get replacements but failed to do so, you guys are saying that Ramos had enough time to settle the team but how could he with the cloud of the 2 main strikers going? and what was proberly more unsettling is the fact that he could see that Comolli & Levy were just sitting in a corner playing with each other as the transfer window was comming to a close and no replacements were comming in.
We keep boasting that we got no debt and we got money to spend on players and we are evens after selling player to cover what we bought, so why the fcuk did we not spend some of that transfer budget to get the replacements before Berba went? Ok Keane was a bit out of the blue but still got £20m for him which is more than enough to get a replacement.


I don't think that Ramos should take the stick here but fans saying he don't know what he's doing is right because with Comolli fcuk ups he proberly really does'nt

 

[thfcsteff]

Instead of blaming Keane and Berbatov, be better grateful that they saved the team from relegation last season, won a cup and brought some 50m (30m profit) to the club.

Hatred is a main source of suffering. Get over their transfers and move on.

Agreed.
Common sense approach as anything else leaves us ignoring the truth of our situation...