"I love Martin Jol.........., altogether now!"

[Blotto]

I seriously doubt it. Jol was on about £2 million a year, whilst Ramos is reportedly on about £6 million. So, the compensation they'd have to pay for sacking Ramos so early in his contract would be huge. Ontop of that, Comolli would have to go (Levy said he'd take the balme if Ramos failed) and again compensation would have to paid. With Jol they thought they had someone better they could turn to, but it's unlikley we could attract a big name now. So the financial implications and lack of decent alternatives will mean Ramos is far more secure than Jol was. With Jol, Levy had people whispering in his ear that he wasn't a good coach. These are the same people that chose Ramos, so they are also going to defend him, as their reputations are on the line. I think the only way Ramos will get fired is if we are in the bottom 5 at Christmas and even then he might survive until the end of the season.

All true, but I think that if we are in the relegation zone at Christmas he will be sacked. The board will be in panic by then unless the results start coming in--and though everything you said makes perfect sense and is completely true, I think they will push it all aside and look for a quick fix, maybe hire an ex-player or something...under these kinds of conditions, clubs tend not to act logically...who knows what will happen? :shrug:

I'd feel better about all this if we were playing better football...

 

[belsunz]

If Jol would have been in charge v Chelsea, we would have got bugger all. Ramos is far more astute, but he has to step up to the plate pretty quickly now. Honeymoon well and truely over.

with Jol, we were outstanding at home. We were rubbish away, but still managed to get 5th place twice. Now we look lacklustre even at home! You don't need to get a point at Stamford Bridge. You need to win your home games. We should have had 7 points by now. Or let's settle for 6. We've got one. That's not good enough and puts pressure on the team. We should get 6 out of 9 the following 3 games or we can bury our ambitions for another year.

 

[Dibby]

Maybe we should be getting behind the team?

They're 20th. There is no room behind them.

 

[fazza]

I just watched a few Martin Jol youtube video's and it brought it all back, I want Martin back now, The club feels empty inside without him.

Juandes got 2 more home games before I turn on his ass :grin:

 

[si_yidarmy]

i was singing it! honestly! It was about 10 mins to go so i just sung Martin jol....martin jol.... martin jol

 

[fazza]

i was singing it! honestly! It was about 10 mins to go so i just sung Martin jol....martin jol.... martin jol

Oh so your the one that started the Martin Jol chant, I heard it on the TV toward the end of the game but I thought it was the Villa fans taking the piss :grin:

 

[TheBigMatch]

If Jol would have been in charge v Chelsea, we would have got bugger all. Ramos is far more astute, but he has to step up to the plate pretty quickly now. Honeymoon well and truely over.

Yeah. People forget how useless Jol was, when we had Chelsea on the rack at 3-1, who did he have lined up to tap the ball into the net to make it 4-1 but Defoe. Typical useless Jol tactics. He should have known Defoe would miss such a sitter, and Chelsea would recover to draw 3-3. Just 'cos he had the best statistical record since Sir Bill doesn't make him a winner.

 

[lionel_richtea]

has Ramos ever hugged one of our players in the way that BMJ used to? :shrug:

 

[General Levy]

Maybe we should be getting behind the team?

:clap:

The fans were a joke last night imo.

 

[C0YS]

He'll come back, he knows we love 'im and he loves us, but it wont happen under levy. Anyway lets trust Ramos for now, and get behind the team, I have found some new confidence (by looking at the fixture list) and spurs DONT LET US DOWN!!!

AND FANS DONT LET US DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Jol was vastly under rated and treated terribly. The nonsense posted on here and other messageboards about his inability to motivate, his poor tactics, team selection and poor fitness was a total disgrace. However, all this should have been put to bed in the Jan transfer window, when Ramos and Poyet's actions made it clear the squad wasn't good enough and there wasn't coaching issue. With the squad of players he had neither Wenger or Benitez would have done better than Jol, yet he was treated like he was on par with Alan Curbishley, instead of the best in the business. When he was undermined by the board and became essentially a walking corpse of a coach, many fans seemed to forget where we were before he took over, the 3 years of success and judged him on 10 games when he had no chance due to injuries, poor newe players and the board public humiliation of him. But, there is little point praising him now, as those who wanted him out will never back down and continue with their bullshit condemnation of a coach that took us to the edge of CL football and this thread will just turn into a pointless argument. If we are going to have a thread praising BMJ, then we should do it when Ramos is doing better. Otherwise it will turn into a Jol V Ramos debate, rather than a simple homage to Jol.

You know, a lot of people (the majority, I would say) on here have a view along the lines of "Levy runs the club really well and we sign some very good players and turn a consistent profit...but I disagree with how Jol was treated".

Is a more rational view not something like:

"Seeing as I think Levy runs the club really well and we sign some very good players and turn a consistent profit...I'm inclined to believe that there was more to the Jol dismissal than meets the eye. In fact, seeing as (albeit private and non-corroborated) information has suggested that Jol sought the Newcastle job while being Spurs manager, maybe that was enough to burn his bridges with Levy. Which is very sad. For everyone."

:clap:

The fans were a joke last night imo.

I agree. I was willing us just to sign 'Come On You Spurs' for the last 20 minutes, but we gave them nothing.

As The New Radicals sang...

 

[joey55]

You know, a lot of people (the majority, I would say) on here have a view along the lines of "Levy runs the club really well and we sign some very good players and turn a consistent profit...but I disagree with how Jol was treated".

Is a more rational view not something like:

"Seeing as I think Levy runs the club really well and we sign some very good players and turn a consistent profit...I'm inclined to believe that there was more to the Jol dismissal than meets the eye. In fact, seeing as (albeit private and non-corroborated) information has suggested that Jol sought the Newcastle job while being Spurs manager, maybe that was enough to burn his bridges with Levy. Which is very sad. For everyone."

Regardless of what those with a more rational view might think about how the club is run, when the club secretary and a director are photographed leaving a meeting with another coach and this is then plastered over the press, it is humiliating. When you are the last to know you have been fired, and it's even announced during a live TV game, of which you are supposedly coaching your team, it's humiliating.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

I do agree, joey. Mainly. I just wonder if it is necessarily more humiliating than finding out the guy you employ and pay 2 million pounds a year too has been going behind your back to line up another job, and whether - if this is indeed the case - whether it would be enough for you to try to line up potential replacements?

I may be being hideously naive but I just can't see why we'd bluster in after an attached manager when we have a perfectly good one already unless either a) we didn't make an approach for Ramos and we were just catching up with an old buddy, b) Jol had fucked us off, c) we are demented/consider ourselves above the law or at least ethical decency (despite all evidence elsewhere pointing to the contrary), d) all of the above.

 

[TheBigMatch]

They're 20th. There is no room behind them.

:rofl: Class. Sometimes you've just got to smile.

Come on Ramos kick some ass. Give us a bit of passion, the Dutchman had it, surely a Spaniard has passion for Spurs. Let's see it.

 

[woodstock36]

Jol was vastly under rated and treated terribly. The nonsense posted on here and other messageboards about his inability to motivate, his poor tactics, team selection and poor fitness was a total disgrace. However, all this should have been put to bed in the Jan transfer window, when Ramos and Poyet's actions made it clear the squad wasn't good enough and there wasn't coaching issue. With the squad of players he had neither Wenger or Benitez would have done better than Jol, yet he was treated like he was on par with Alan Curbishley, instead of the best in the business. When he was undermined by the board and became essentially a walking corpse of a coach, many fans seemed to forget where we were before he took over, the 3 years of success and judged him on 10 games when he had no chance due to injuries, poor newe players and the board public humiliation of him. But, there is little point praising him now, as those who wanted him out will never back down and continue with their bullshit condemnation of a coach that took us to the edge of CL football and this thread will just turn into a pointless argument. If we are going to have a thread praising BMJ, then we should do it when Ramos is doing better. Otherwise it will turn into a Jol V Ramos debate, rather than a simple homage to Jol.

Totally agree…

I seldom post as I talk nonsense and I’m not a very articulate guy and I don’t really speak English.. anyway…here’s my view…

Simply put it, the importance of tactics / formation etc is over-hyped. At the end of the day, it is the quality of the players that matters. I’m quite sure anyone with more than ten brain cells can manage the current Chealsea squad and challenge for top 3. If we have a team of 11 Ledley King Vs a team of say 11 Dawson (no disrespect to Dawson), I’m sure the team of Kings will fare better than the team of Dawsons over a season of 38 games, no matter who the manager is, what tactics is employed, what formations is being used etc…

For me, the KEY role of a manager is to identify talents. If every player of team A is just 5% better than team B, then the overall quality of team A is MUCH better than team B and will be evident over a season. Next… is to be able to get the most out of a team according to individual players’ ability... in that respect, JOL is no less able then the best in business…

Who in our current squad is considered good enough to play for a top 4 team? For me, it’s only King, Woodgate, Bale and Jenas as a squad player (I have not seen enough of our new signings so no comments there). If we do not have good enough players… we won’t be good enough… simple as that..

 

[SpurSince57]

I do agree, joey. Mainly. I just wonder if it is necessarily more humiliating than finding out the guy you employ and pay 2 million pounds a year too has been going behind your back to line up another job, and whether - if this is indeed the case - whether it would be enough for you to try to line up potential replacements?

I may be being hideously naive but I just can't see why we'd bluster in after an attached manager when we have a perfectly good one already unless either a) we didn't make an approach for Ramos and we were just catching up with an old buddy, b) Jol had fucked us off, c) we are demented/consider ourselves above the law or at least ethical decency (despite all evidence elsewhere pointing to the contrary), d) all of the above.

We don't actually know whether Jol approached Newcastle, or Newcastle approached Jol. I am pretty sure that when this bombshell was dropped by BEN (or was it Dragon1?) we were told that the contact, whichever way round it was, took place when the Barcodes were looking for a replacement for Souness.