Ian Holloway is a god......

[nedley]

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,16426_6460709,00.html

He's having a good week.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Someone needs to break it to Holloway that a house isn't a sentient being. Nobody pays attention to him because he's an idiot that doesn't think before he opens his mouth. Funny though.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Holloway is right - listen to what he said.

If a player, at the end of his contract is offered better terms by another club - as long as his parent club matches that offer, he stays.

How the f*** is that slavery?

But why should the player stay just because his current club offers him the same deal.

It's about freedom of choice not cash.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

comparing football to slavery is an insult to the hundreds of millions of people who were taken from their homes/families/countries to be worked to death all in the name of slavery

to suggest it is similar is shameful and ignorant (calling someones view ignorant isnt the same as calling someone ignorant before people try to claim im calling them ignorant), im not looking to get into a long debate with someone about this and i wont be visiting this thread again but to the members who are comparing the two can i suggest that you be very careful who you say that to in person because if anyone has descendants that were unfortunate enough to be slaves then be prepared for an emotional response to it

ps long may blackpool stay in the premiership so holloway can keep entertaining us!

When people start talking about 'owning' another human being that is slavery...whether you like it or not.

The fact is that no football club 'owns' a player so 'slavery' does not exist.

If you want to call someone ignorant and shameful the look at Holloway for suggesting that a club 'owns' a player in the same way a you would own a car or house. That's what I call shameful, ignorant not to mention pathetic.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Someone needs to break it to Holloway that a house isn't a sentient being. Nobody pays attention to him because he's an idiot that doesn't think before he opens his mouth. Funny though.

An idiot who has a team he put together at the last minute, costing barely anything, playing more attractive football than most of the league and in tenth place.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

As for 'owning a player', Holloway only means that you own the exclusive rights to that players services for a tenure to which that player agreed, and in that he is absolutely correct.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Well isn't this about the Rooney scenario? As soon as things aren't going his way he spits his dummy out (encouraged by his agent no doubt) and wants to jump ship. What happened to honouring your contract?

If a team buys you. Note the word BUY. Then surely they do own you up until that contract is up. They're professional athletes doing something they enjoy and they get paid massive amounts of money for it. Slaves? What a joker!

I think you misundertand the transfer system.

A transfer fee is compensation to the player's current club for breaking his contract. It has nothing to do with 'buying' the player.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

As for 'owning a player', Holloway only means that you own the exclusive rights to that players services for a tenure to which that player agreed, and in that he is absolutely correct.

...And then he goes on to say that players shouldn't be able to leave for nothing at the end of their contracts. So that's a bit of a contradiction, isn't it?

 

[thinktank]

I like the bit where he scratches his nuts at 4:12.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I love Ian Holloway. Apart from being one of the game's funniest characters he put a team together for 12 pence and coached them to play better football than Man City do.

I'm also sure I remember reading years ago how he knocked back better wages/better team or a better management job to so his family could stay near the special school that his son needed (can't remember his disability now).

He's no idiot, but he's wrong about this issue. Rooney has been every bit as good for ManU as they have for him. Not just his performances that have helped them win trophy after trophy but every fucking chump who buys a ManU shirt has Rooney on the back of it. The bloke is footballing nirvana for a club, great player, great seller of merchandise and image - even if he shags the odd boiler.

 

[Kendall]

What are people proposing happens when a player's contract is up then? Do they just have to sit around for potentially the rest of their career until an offer comes in? What happens if the manager doesn't fancy him but the chairman doesn't want to take the hit? What happens in terms of wages?

 

[Caboose]

I love Ian Holloway, he's a funny and very passionate. But the crux of his argument is fundamentally flawed, the PL and UEFA can't do anything about this thought. I might be wrong, but this went through the European Court and it is law for all European State countries to adhere to this..

 

[jimmy-jojo]

I love Ian Holloway, he's a funny and very passionate. But the crux of his argument is fundamentally flawed, the PL and UEFA can't do anything about this thought. I might be wrong, but this went through the European Court and it is law for all European State countries to adhere to this..

Exactly.

Which makes him more of a clown. He doesn't even understand what he's talking about and how it came about.

I'm all for footballers honouring their contracts but when people go on about 'owning' another human being, that's wrong.

Fans moan about lack of loyalty and football being all about money yet want the players treated as if they were second-hand cars. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

An idiot who has a team he put together at the last minute, costing barely anything, playing more attractive football than most of the league and in tenth place.

There are plenty of thick football managers that can do a good job.

 

[mike_l]

Exactly.

Which makes him more of a clown. He doesn't even understand what he's talking about and how it came about.

I'm all for footballers honouring their contracts but when people go on about 'owning' another human being, that's wrong.

Fans moan about lack of loyalty and football being all about money yet want the players treated as if they were second-hand cars. You can't have it both ways.

They're not exactly slaves though are they, when the club is paying you 100k+ per week it's difficult to make a case to say that it is the player being exploited.

If you want to get away from the idea of players being owned then yo would have to abolish transfer fees completely.

I really don't see how the game of football in it's current state can be judged by the same laws and adhered to in the same sense as an everyday job.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

They're not exactly slaves though are they, when the club is paying you 100k+ per week it's difficult to make a case to say that it is the player being exploited.

If you want to get away from the idea of players being owned then yo would have to abolish transfer fees completely.

I really don't see how the game of football in it's current state can be judged by the same laws and adhered to in the same sense as an everyday job.

No one is saying they're getting exploited. That's because once they're contracts expire they are FREE to do what they want.

That clown Holloway was describing players as second hand cars. I thought we lived in a civilised time.

And it's naive to think that just because players earn a lot of money they're not being exploited if freedom of contract is taken away. There are many players from south America and Africa who are treated like cattle. You only have to look at how Tevez and Mascherano came to this country to know there's a lot of murky goings on in the world of football.

 

[jimtheyid]

Who is this person!!?!??! :rofl:

I love Ollie

 

[chrissivad]

Sticking 2 fingers up at the Premierleague/FA today

Saying they have no right telling him who he can and can not play in a game. His Chairman doesn't, so why should they :clap:

 

[Marty]

As I wrote in the Rest of the Prem thread

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...499939,00.html

Legend. I fully support him on this, managers have every right to send out whatever team they want in a game. It's their club, it's their season, why should they consider other clubs? It's not like the team set out to deliberately lose, they gave it a bloody good go!

 

[NickHSpurs]

Fully back him as well, especially now the Premier League introduced the 25 man registration, anyone in that 25 should be considered first team players.