- Jun 29, 2003
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Eight days after allegations of racism from Tottenham fans towards Chelsea’s Antonio Rudiger and still we await firm evidence.
Source: Daily Mail
Source: Daily Mail
The Guardian printed a similar article a couple of days ago, drawing attention to the draconian penalties (long suspensions etc.) imposed on various individuals accused of having made racist comments, without their accusers having to provide even the most basic evidence. As I read it, the law is based on the principle that if a player thinks he's heard racist abuse, the authorities pretty much have to take the accusations at face value. On this basis, Spurs will have to wait until Hell freezes over before they can expect the authorities to admit they might have got it wrong.Decent article that have to laugh that it's been printed in the Mail though.
As in football as in life. One thing that doesn't need evidence these days is a racism allegationThe Guardian printed a similar article a couple of days ago, drawing attention to the draconian penalties (long suspensions etc.) imposed on various individuals accused of having made racist comments, without their accusers having to provide even the most basic evidence. As I read it, the law is based on the principle that if a player thinks he's heard racist abuse, the authorities pretty much have to take the accusations at face value. On this basis, Spurs will have to wait until Hell freezes over before they can expect the authorities to admit they might have got it wrong.
The Guardian printed a similar article a couple of days ago, drawing attention to the draconian penalties (long suspensions etc.) imposed on various individuals accused of having made racist comments, without their accusers having to provide even the most basic evidence. As I read it, the law is based on the principle that if a player thinks he's heard racist abuse, the authorities pretty much have to take the accusations at face value. On this basis, Spurs will have to wait until Hell freezes over before they can expect the authorities to admit they might have got it wrong.
The current view presented in the media is that there has been racism by a Tottenham fan. It would be fair for the police to make an official statement that no evidence has been found at this stage. Otherwise it will be used as a weapon against us by the racist fans of other clubs (Chelsea, West Ham) who are always trying to undermine us.But the 'authorities' haven't got anything to take back or admit. We haven't been charged or fined as far as i know? Just investigated, as it should be.
It matters hugely if it's not corrected, in that we'll see an escalation in sanctions against the club, if only because politicians enjoy being seen to call for action. The media narrative is that Spurs fans were guilty of racially abusing Rudiger within minutes of the incident, so who's going to stick up for us the next time someone thinks he's heard something?Does it matter if it was wrong? We don't want to discourage people calling discrimination out. If there's no evidence, then there's no evidence. Draw a line under it and move on. We don't need an apology or anything.
What sanctions are being made? What's being "corrected"?It matters hugely if it's not corrected, in that we'll see an escalation in sanctions against the club, if only because politicians enjoy being seen to call for action. The media narrative is that Spurs fans were guilty of racially abusing Rudiger within minutes of the incident, so who's going to stick up for us the next time someone thinks he's heard something?
The Guardian printed a similar article a couple of days ago, drawing attention to the draconian penalties (long suspensions etc.) imposed on various individuals accused of having made racist comments, without their accusers having to provide even the most basic evidence. As I read it, the law is based on the principle that if a player thinks he's heard racist abuse, the authorities pretty much have to take the accusations at face value. On this basis, Spurs will have to wait until Hell freezes over before they can expect the authorities to admit they might have got it wrong.
Either that or he misheard the "who who who" from a section singing, who let the Yids out as monkey chants. I don't think he made it up to deflect from his reaction to Son and the red card like some people are suggesting.I think he took the boos as monkey chants.
So in your instance if a woman accuses a man of rape then we should take her word otherwise other woman may not come forward?Does it matter if it was wrong? We don't want to discourage people calling discrimination out. If there's no evidence, then there's no evidence. Draw a line under it and move on. We don't need an apology or anything.
The whole point to this, and to things like #MeToo and what not, is to wholesale change casual attitudes of discrimination/exploitation/abuse. To challenge even the smallest example of prejudice (which the apologists would call "banter"), in order to put a permanent end to the extremes (slavery, rape, genocide etc).
So fuck the Daily Mail's thinly veiled attempt to demonise Rudiger and the likes of Neville and MOTD for daring to have a pop at the politicians. The mail are speaking to their reader base, trying to maintain the Nationalist narrative set by themselves and the goverment they support.
You're comparing apples with oranges. Rape is a physical act with evidence.So in your instance if a woman accuses a man of rape then we should take her word otherwise other woman may not come forward?
give me a break, if he accuses someone of being racist and it is incorrect then he should serve a ban like the person he is accusing would have to serve.
It still goes on and is disgusting but does not mean anyone can be called out on in without any evidence.
With all the cameras and stewards something would have been caught like at every other ground it has happened at, we can not take his word as proof without evidence, so it’s a free pass for anyone to say they heard 1 person out of 60000 make a racist remake or noise? What a future we have ?You're comparing apples with oranges. Rape is a physical act with evidence.
You can't disprove what Rudiger thought he heard. You don't ban a player for reporting what he thought were racist chants because evidence can't be found
Yeah, we can't take his word as proof without evidence in terms of the actual racist chant being made, which is why (so far) no fan has been arrested for making racist remarks, but just because no evidence is found to back up his assertion it doesn't automatically mean he has made it all up and should be punished. He thought he heard something and you have to take that at face value. As I previously mentioned my suspicion is he heard something like "who who who" or "boo", so he is (most likely) mistaken, but you don't punish a player for reporting it.With all the cameras and stewards something would have been caught like at every other ground it has happened at, we can not take his word as proof without evidence, so it’s a free pass for anyone to say they heard 1 person out of 60000 make a racist remake or noise? What a future we have ?