Is there a way past the Bielsa/Pochettino wall?

[deluded-yid]

I would say the lack of rotation earlier in the season must be down to the injuries to Mason/Bentaleb/Pritchard/Chadli and Son. All of which picked up injuries just before or a couple games into the season.
That many influential players out at the same time would affect any team, especially a young squad getting used to a new manager and system.

But yet we are 2nd in the table despite the early disruption and the poor form of the returnees. Surely Poch deserves a round of applause and a new contract instead of criticism for lack of squad rotation.

 

[eViL]

But yet we are 2nd in the table despite the early disruption and the poor form of the returnees. Surely Poch deserves a round of applause and a new contract instead of criticism for lack of squad rotation.

He's getting all that; and beyond the usual overreactions to a defeat on here, you can't expect any player or manager to be beyond criticism.

There also needs to be a recognition that a young manager needs to adapt the way he does things as he gains experience.

There's good reason that Marcelo Biesla hasn't had one of the absolute top jobs in CLUB football yet - because of his rigidity in his beliefs and refusal to adapt to circumstances beyond the predicted route of a season.

 

[Lemon]

Part of my learnings has led me to greatly look forward to the spring, as this is the time of great fertility. The grass grows fast, lush, full of vitamins and minerals, so Cows eating that exclusively are delivering high quality mineralised milk, yogurts, meat etc.

Western Price talked of this in his epic 'Nutrition And Physical Degeneration' (but sadly drew the wrong conclusions IMO), the great synergy between butters from the spring, with good quality cod liver oil, at a ratio of 2:1. Now nearly 90years later science is catching up (from ignoring him) and protocols are scattered over the internet of 2:1 Omega 6:3 (Budwig Protocol and others from folk remedies still entact, even the NHS is up to date almost on this now I believe, in a very confused way ''well just eat a rounded diet so we can sell the food pyramid'').

But we are now so supermarket dissociated from the seasons.

We should be giving the players raw butter oil and fermented cod liver oil (personally I'm vegetarian, so would and do, replace the FCLO with good quality Flax Oil), or a similar such as budwig (cottage cheese or quark plus flax 2:1 hers is with ligands though also and some other parts, folk version would be cultured buttermilk and FCLO or Flax).

Plus buying biodynamic vegetables boxes (well one big ass box) and juicing them for the squad (2x 4oz of good quality green vegetables juiced via mastication and drunk immediately per day will be a good tonic for the pancreas and assist the liver and kidneys cleanse the acids with the magnesium which is at the center of the chlorophyll, hence 'eat your greens', chuck some ginger in if they are wimpey about it).

http://www.greenergreens.com/

Just feels like we are asking world class performance from our players (well Poch is and I agree with his asking), but aren't anywhere near industry leading in dietary/recovery control. Maybe I'm miles wrong.

Really not a dig at anyone either, it's just the way things are. There are some nuggets for you here slumdilla if you are connected.

 

[Lemon]

There's no association with any links either, I'm not promoting them or linked to them, just giving examples.

The central message in Nutrition and Physical Degeneration was about caries and illness following the trade ships around introducing 'white mans food' of white sugar and flour. Cultures who embraced these offerings, traded their goods, then started encountering dental caries and growth/development problems immediately after. Again and again.

His look at primitive tribes and their diets is outstanding.

 

[Lemon]

Wulzen showed in the 1880's that stigmasterol found in Molasses and Raw Cream/Butter could reverse calcification of the joints in Osteoarthritis (now known to be found in many other things). This is known as the Wulzen Factor (or anti-stiffness effect)...

 

[greaves]

Wulzen showed in the 1880's that stigmasterol found in Molasses and Raw Cream/Butter could reverse calcification of the joints in Osteoarthritis (now known to be found in many other things). This is known as the Wulzen Factor (or anti-stiffness effect)...

A kind of reverse Viagra.

 

[Moorechild]

Can back lemon up. Price knew his shizzle. Lemon, I can recommend terry wahls as well mate. Any way. We digress.

 

[Spursidol]

A bigger deeper squad is the only answer - you need to move them around in a Pochettino team so they stay fresh. Mind you he hasn't done such a bid job with fitness. Also you have to remember that a lot of these lads haven't matured yet. Just because they are young does not mean they are at their physical peak - far from it.

Only problem with that is that Poch is on record of wanting a small squad - think it was circa 20 players. so not 2 players for each position (hence his interest in players capable of playing in multiple positions) and of course if we get injuries that number in the core squad who can play is reduced. But of course that does mean that he can play more youngsters.

So not sure that you'll be seeing a 'bigger deeper squad' anytime soon

 

[Flashspur]

Only problem with that is that Poch is on record of wanting a small squad - think it was circa 20 players. so not 2 players for each position (hence his interest in players capable of playing in multiple positions) and of course if we get injuries that number in the core squad who can play is reduced. But of course that does mean that he can play more youngsters.

So not sure that you'll be seeing a 'bigger deeper squad' anytime soon

You could be right of course and yes he has gone on record about the smaller squad but that seems an impossible task when you are faced with a grueling season and several competitions plus the usual injuries etc.

That squad number seems very small when you consider that we currently lack back up in at least three areas - Dier, Dembele and Kane. We don't have a Dier back up at DM, we don't have a muscular ball carrying CM like Dembele (hence the rather bizarre rumours about Henderson) and of course Kane isn't going to be replaced by our wide forwards any time soon.

 

[Drink!Drink!]

Yes, but...

It's quite possible, in the wider scheme of things, that if we "lost" this opportunity to win the title, it won't be through declining form at the end of the season....but instead through our slow start to the season only getting 3 points from our first 4 games

 

[deluded-yid]

He's getting all that; and beyond the usual overreactions to a defeat on here, you can't expect any player or manager to be beyond criticism.

There also needs to be a recognition that a young manager needs to adapt the way he does things as he gains experience.

There's good reason that Marcelo Biesla hasn't had one of the absolute top jobs in CLUB football yet - because of his rigidity in his beliefs and refusal to adapt to circumstances beyond the predicted route of a season.

No one is above criticism, but when a player/manager performs to such high standards, surely the odd mistake can be forgiven.
As far as adapting. What more does he have to do.
1. Got rid of the overpaid, underperforming mercenaries and promoted the youth.
2. Buying Toby (now the stingiest defence in the league)
3. Total transformation of Dembele and Lamela
4. Utilising Dier in cm where he is way more effective than Mason and Bentaleb
5. Replacing that prick with Kane (and keeping the faith during his baron form)
6. Playing 3 at the back (on occasion)
7. Making earlier substitutions to affect games (Palace)

To be a good manager in any industry there's times where you have to adapt but also times when you have to be rigid.

 

[Riandor]

Slow start to the season in retrospect is looking more and more "costly", even just the draw vs Leicester.

I think we are seeing a stepping off in intensity and players looking a little tired and frankly the only option is to purchase/promote a few other first teamers and rotate. But they have to be good enough and fit the system. We have seen that if you are not, Poch doesnt play you.

For example, Chadli... scores important goals, but has never looked "right" when he has started. I am not sure he has the intensity required, or at least has not showed it enough and generally gets fewer games. Compare to Lamela, who doesn't always score, but is very intense, fighting from the front for every ball. He currently embodies for me how we want to set up and play.

No replacement for Kane is also an issue. The guy was at the U21's, now a FULL season and will likely go to the Euros with England. Does anyone really think he is going to be able to carry that through into next season? An adequate striker MUST be found.

So in short I think our system is fine and we can get passed the wall, we just need a few personnel tweaks in my opinion.
For me that means, 1x ST, 1x1 WF, 1x DM, 1x CD. Done.

That would allow us to rotate the CB's for the cups like FA and League or simply rotate similarly as the FB's do (though I don't think CB is as demanding as WB), similarly Dier and Kane can rest and the Wing Forwards can rotate.

Assuming we make CL, we will have few games and we should be utilising the squad like the other teams typically in our position do and that is play "2nd string" (though I see it for us being other first teamers rotating in) players in the cups allowing others to rest.

 

[Khilari]

Because since that 6 on the bounce we have looked jaded, frankly we looked jaded VS Swansea, we are most definitely seeing the effects of tiredness, no doubt about it.

Don't most sides feel more tired after a long hard season? And isn't our tiredness more likely to be a combination of game number played and the lack of recovery time between them than training techniques?

Some teams (like Leicester last season) can have massive upturns in form towards the end, but it's not really surprising if most look leggy after playing their 50th game of the term.

 

[Spursidol]

You could be right of course and yes he has gone on record about the smaller squad but that seems an impossible task when you are faced with a grueling season and several competitions plus the usual injuries etc.

That squad number seems very small when you consider that we currently lack back up in at least three areas - Dier, Dembele and Kane. We don't have a Dier back up at DM, we don't have a muscular ball carrying CM like Dembele (hence the rather bizarre rumours about Henderson) and of course Kane isn't going to be replaced by our wide forwards any time soon.

Agreed squad is small, IMO Onomah will succeed in the Dembele mould midfield, albeit may take a year. Striker is the only real need for me, although we've yet to see much of Clinton who I think was expected to take more of the striker load but of course has been injured for much of the season. We've got a wide range of CM's plus Ball coming back from Rangers, and we don't always need a DM sitting back so its not clear to me whether Poch will buy another pure DM.

More likely to me is that he will see if CCV and Ball can cover the 4th CB/2nd DM positions between them, Bentaleb's future of course is a bit of an unknown, although it doesn't look good atm, and if he stays I think its unlikely another player will be brought in, if he goes its more likely but by no means a certainty that another player will be brought in.

Elsewhere maybe one or two upgrades on players who will leave, but not many. Think Poch will not want many changes

 

[eViL]

No one is above criticism, but when a player/manager performs to such high standards, surely the odd mistake can be forgiven.
As far as adapting. What more does he have to do.
1. Got rid of the overpaid, underperforming mercenaries and promoted the youth.
2. Buying Toby (now the stingiest defence in the league)
3. Total transformation of Dembele and Lamela
4. Utilising Dier in cm where he is way more effective than Mason and Bentaleb
5. Replacing that prick with Kane (and keeping the faith during his baron form)
6. Playing 3 at the back (on occasion)
7. Making earlier substitutions to affect games (Palace)

To be a good manager in any industry there's times where you have to adapt but also times when you have to be rigid.

I'm glad we agree.

 

[Lemon]

Can back lemon up. Price knew his shizzle. Lemon, I can recommend terry wahls as well mate. Any way. We digress.

Had a look at Wahls, good on her for overcoming MS, I've read over and over people doing this. If you rid yourself of the mineral leeching foods (white sugar and flour chiefly, high starch carbs, poor quality meats), and replace them with replenishing foods then this seems fairly straight forward (early stage, non-aggressive, to be not soo sensationalist).

Adequate Sodium has been shown to lead to Increased Sodium Channel activity which can lead to remission, it is needed to preserve myelin, but may also be used, it appears, in its stead somehow. Though supplementing Sodium safely is a real minefield. Kelp is my choice, or one of the reasons I take Kelp is for Sodium, Ascophyllum nodosum, (this is called Norwegian Kelp), may be taken for extra sodium in a complexed form, though in the summer Laminaria digitata may be more suited for it's higher potassium to sodium balance, especially athletes performing in heat). The extra help for my Adrenals keeps me on Norwegian (and laziness in sourcing good quality Laminaria).

Perhaps also if one were to replace the destroyed oils most Supermarkets stock and instead use a good raw Coconut Oil, research is showing this to be excellent for MS/Parkinsons (Brain sugars, but too much for this post/time). Western Price found groups in South Pacific who ate a lot of coconut oil were healthy and trim, heart disease was virtually non-existent even thought they often had a high fat diet (though testing was poor back in his day, but science is now backing him up).

Though please don't misunderstand, I'm not promoting a Paleo diet, that sh*t is primitive! Vegetarian (largely, if not exclusively) is how our bodies biochemistry best works IMO. Price was right that there are great nutritional elements in certain animal based foods, but meats are too difficult for most people to digest without causing problems (chiefly they usually release their electromagnetic energy to quickly, so before they have passed through us they may become rancid, or if they get stuck they have a high risk of causing big problems, though Althletes may be OK with this if they utilise the energy well. remember Price was looking at tribes/groups who were largely still hard physical workers, not office dwelling lazy bums like most of us now!). Physical activity will usually speed digestion enough to keep this problem in check for most people.

Pork is seemingly the worst, in terms of burning energy way too quickly, so only people with very physical jobs should eat this, so a builder eating a bacon buttie may start to make sense, but the lazy builder may get poorly from this clogging up his digestion!

Funny how we now find empirical data backing up these thoeries (recent reclassification of certain meats to carcinogen).

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Part of my learnings has led me to greatly look forward to the spring, as this is the time of great fertility. The grass grows fast, lush, full of vitamins and minerals, so Cows eating that exclusively are delivering high quality mineralised milk, yogurts, meat etc.

Western Price talked of this in his epic 'Nutrition And Physical Degeneration' (but sadly drew the wrong conclusions IMO), the great synergy between butters from the spring, with good quality cod liver oil, at a ratio of 2:1. Now nearly 90years later science is catching up (from ignoring him) and protocols are scattered over the internet of 2:1 Omega 6:3 (Budwig Protocol and others from folk remedies still entact, even the NHS is up to date almost on this now I believe, in a very confused way ''well just eat a rounded diet so we can sell the food pyramid'').

But we are now so supermarket dissociated from the seasons.

We should be giving the players raw butter oil and fermented cod liver oil (personally I'm vegetarian, so would and do, replace the FCLO with good quality Flax Oil), or a similar such as budwig (cottage cheese or quark plus flax 2:1 hers is with ligands though also and some other parts, folk version would be cultured buttermilk and FCLO or Flax).

Plus buying biodynamic vegetables boxes (well one big ass box) and juicing them for the squad (2x 4oz of good quality green vegetables juiced via mastication and drunk immediately per day will be a good tonic for the pancreas and assist the liver and kidneys cleanse the acids with the magnesium which is at the center of the chlorophyll, hence 'eat your greens', chuck some ginger in if they are wimpey about it).

http://www.greenergreens.com/

Just feels like we are asking world class performance from our players (well Poch is and I agree with his asking), but aren't anywhere near industry leading in dietary/recovery control. Maybe I'm miles wrong.

Really not a dig at anyone either, it's just the way things are. There are some nuggets for you here slumdilla if you are connected.

Chicken or vegetarian ?

 

[Lemon]

Chicken or vegetarian ?

Over the moon you read one of the posts to the bottom! You are a rare breed. Not sure I would if I wasn't me!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Over the moon you read one of the posts to the bottom! You are a rare breed. Not sure I would if I wasn't me!

Mrs BC talks a similar language to you (she's qualified in nutrition and herbal witch doctory), always talking about gut bacteria, the beneficial properties in banana skins and trying to rub magnesium juice on my tennis elbow and wotnot.

 

[StartingPrice]

A kind of reverse Viagra.

Well, I did used to drink myself sober, back in the day, so maybe it is possible to Viagra yourself flaccid...