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It WAS about tactics today !

Spurrific

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Giovani isn't fit to lace vdV's boots, in fact, if I discover that he is actually lacing vdV's boots at Spurs Lodge, I want the footballing authorities to intervene.
 

StartingPrice

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Giovani isn't fit to lace vdV's boots, in fact, if I discover that he is actually lacing vdV's boots at Spurs Lodge, I want the footballing authorities to intervene.

:shrug: I dunno...maybies that is where kids like Gio go wrong - growing up thinking they are superstars, already, rather than cleaning senior pros boots and all.


Wait-a-minute...didn't Aitch basically say the same thing? (remembered while typing).
 

Spurrific

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:shrug: I dunno...maybies that is where kids like Gio go wrong - growing up thinking they are superstars, already, rather than cleaning senior pros boots and all.


Wait-a-minute...didn't Aitch basically say the same thing? (remembered while typing).

Maybe SP. We could have Gio lacing boots, Bostock cleaning them, Danny Rose peeling spuds and bring back Tomas Peckhart to do dishes (don't actually know of any of those (other than Gio and Bostock) have an attitude)
 

SpursMadDave

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Last weekend was hard to take but yesterday was a decent performance ruined by a couple of silly mistakes and a goal that was fit to win any game.

We deserved at least a draw but many times have we and a lot of other teams said that after a game against Man Utd?
 

JimmyG2

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We went 2-0 down after 60 minutes but didn't change things for another 20 minutes.
By then we were 3-0 down.
Crossing your fingers and hoping for the best is not a tactical option.
'Something will turn up' known as the Micawber strategy rarely works even if you do the lottery every week.
 

Spurs_Bear

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We went 2-0 down after 60 minutes but didn't change things for another 20 minutes.
By then we were 3-0 down.
Crossing your fingers and hoping for the best is not a tactical option.
'Something will turn up' known as the Micawber strategy rarely works even if you do the lottery every week.

Interested to know what you would have done differently with our limited options on the bench.
 

Damian99

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Interested to know what you would have done differently with our limited options on the bench.

I suppose Harry was probably sat there thinking what the hell can i do with this lot on the bench, but then he picked them. There are a lot of managers who would have loved our bench at the weekend, as weak as we think it was.

But to sit and do nothing for so long, wasn't the right choice.
 

ShelfSide18

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I think Redknapp got things spot on yesterday, he can't control lapses in concentration from our players at key times, but we played with coherence and dominated them in all areas of the pitch. I have criticised Redknapp at times this season, but yesterday what else could he have done?
 

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Either started with Defoe, or brought him on somewhere between 50 and 60 minutes.

I think Redknapp got things spot on yesterday, he can't control lapses in concentration from our players at key times, but we played with coherence and dominated them in all areas of the pitch. I have criticised Redknapp at times this season, but yesterday what else could he have done?

:shrug:
 

tobi

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Defoe and Niko aren't afraid to shoot and they could have made a difference yesterday.

It would have been nice if Lennon put the team on his back and attempted to make something happen but he is still taking the easy option too often.

Sandro and Livermore won't scare the opposition whilst in possession.
 

Marty

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Either started with Defoe, or brought him on somewhere between 50 and 60 minutes.
Agree with this, but completely disagree with the OP. We played what I thought was the best team given the available personnel, we bossed the midfield for 60 minutes and because United defended well and then did what they do best - seized on the only two lapses of concentration we had all game and scored a screamer, we were 3-0 down.

I thought Saha did OK in the first half but he disappeared completely in the second, so Defoe should've come on when the second goal went in, but other than that I really don't see how Harry got it wrong yesterday.
 

ShelfSide18

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Defoe seized on a lazy error at 3-0 down and yes was a good finish, but it just about reminded me he was on the pitch. Saha and Ade did take a few pot shots throughout the game too, we as a team had 18 shots 9 on target, more than enough to win a game when you restrict the champions to just 6 shots and only give them 40% odd of the ball.
 

Spurs_Bear

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I suppose Harry was probably sat there thinking what the hell can i do with this lot on the bench, but then he picked them. There are a lot of managers who would have loved our bench at the weekend, as weak as we think it was.

But to sit and do nothing for so long, wasn't the right choice.

It's all relative though, yes a lot of managers of teams lower in the division would have wanted our bench, but who on there could actually changed anything?
 

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Defoe seized on a lazy error at 3-0 down and yes was a good finish, but it just about reminded me he was on the pitch. Saha and Ade did take a few pot shots throughout the game too, we as a team had 18 shots 9 on target, more than enough to win a game when you restrict the champions to just 6 shots and only give them 40% odd of the ball.

I think Defoe should have either started or came on early in the second half for reasons of complenentarity - Defoe/Adebayor makes a good symbiosis. Also, Saha was okay, but he clearly tired.
 

ackie

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Man Utd got lucky even SAF admitted that.
Yes, we made mistakes for the goals! BUT we also played well.
We just couldn't find the net!
Lets stop complaining about tactics and the fact that we lost.
We played well and lost! no 3points but no need to start criticizing the gaffer, players and so on.
 

ShelfSide18

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I think Defoe should have either started or came on early in the second half for reasons of complenentarity - Defoe/Adebayor makes a good symbiosis. Also, Saha was okay, but he clearly tired.

Utd struggled with Newcastle's 2 powerful presences up top not long back, so for me was a good decision, they both are more conducive to the type of football we play and played yesterday too.

There wasn't anything fundamentally not working with our play yesterday, there was nothing Redknapp could have done to prevent the 3 goals so I don't have any complaints with his use of the bench.
 

mpickard2087

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I think Redknapp got things spot on yesterday, he can't control lapses in concentration from our players at key times, but we played with coherence and dominated them in all areas of the pitch. I have criticised Redknapp at times this season, but yesterday what else could he have done?

+1.
 

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Utd struggled with Newcastle's 2 powerful presences up top not long back, so for me was a good decision, they both are more conducive to the type of football we play and played yesterday too.

There wasn't anything fundamentally not working with our play yesterday, there was nothing Redknapp could have done to prevent the 3 goals so I don't have any complaints with his use of the bench.

Alternatively, Defoe offers something different, something obviously wasn't working as we hadn't scored, and Saha was clearly tired by half-time - so, I repeat, bringing Defoe on early in the second half, at least, is something he could have done.

It is just a minor point, I haven't brought into the whole OP thesis, by any means.
 

Damian99

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It's all relative though, yes a lot of managers of teams lower in the division would have wanted our bench, but who on there could actually changed anything?

Surely it's better to atleast make a change, especially as you have just gone 2 nil down, than to sit and carry on in the same vain.

How do you know how anyone from the bench can turn a game, until you throw them on??

imo at 2 nil and 60 minutes gone, it's time to have a rethink.
 
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