ITK- jurgenthegerman on Berba/Chelski

[cockjol]

people are dreaming if they they think clubs will pay £40m for berba, £30m is pushing it...if the club is setting such a high price in public it's just a negotiation tool...despite this option for two years, berba hasn't actually signed it and his value will decrease significantly if he stays another year

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

hello there Dan, you always make sense in what you say, and i've read a few of your posts, but this entrigues me the most so far.. I was wondering if this was your own personal opinion or if you had asked your source, and this was the reply?

If its personal opinion, I agree thats the way we SHOULD deal with Chelski, but if its fact, then i'm quite surpirsed that it IS the way we're dealing with Chelski.. I'm not questioning your opinion/info mate, I just wondered which it was.

Cheers.

When I forwarded a question about Eto'o I was told of this pro-active retalition approach to all enquiries we are going to get over Berbatov. The names Essein and Mikel were fed back as another theoretical example (as were Tevez and Anderson re Man U). I've not heard about any specific enquiry from Chelsea or that this has been activated with regard to them (or Man U).

With 4 years left on his contract we will deal 100% on our terms. It's £40m or equivalent players from their current starting 11 that we actually want, no matter who it was.

I know we look back now with regret about the Carrick sale, but if you remember back everyone was amazed we got £18m for him (we'd paid c.£2.5m only 2 years before after all). We stuck to our guns and got a very good deal then, and that was when he was nearly out of contract.

 

[nickspurs]

people are dreaming if they they think clubs will pay £40m for berba, £30m is pushing it...if the club is setting such a high price in public it's just a negotiation tool...despite this option for two years, berba hasn't actually signed it and his value will decrease significantly if he stays another year

A lot people misunderstand the option. It's OUR option, not his. If we choose to exercise the option it becomes new 4 year contract (2 left in current + new extra years).

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

people are dreaming if they they think clubs will pay £40m for berba, £30m is pushing it...if the club is setting such a high price in public it's just a negotiation tool...despite this option for two years, berba hasn't actually signed it and his value will decrease significantly if he stays another year

Exactly, that's the point.

But Berbatov doesn't have to sign it - it's entirely our prerogative to extend it. We've put a new 5 year deal on the table with a £20k pay rise to equally Woody's £60k as a carrot instead, but don't need to do this.

 

[gavspur]

When I forwarded a question about Eto'o I was told of this pro-active retalition approach to all enquiries we are going to get over Berbatov. The names Essein and Mikel were fed back as another theoretical example (as were Tevez and Anderson re Man U). I've not heard about any specific enquiry from Chelsea or that this has been activated with regard to them (or Man U).

With 4 years left on his contract we will deal 100% on our terms. It's £40m or equivalent players from their current starting 11 that we actually want, no matter who it was.

I know we look back now with regret about the Carrick sale, but if you remember back everyone was amazed we got £18m for him (we'd paid c.£2.5m only 2 years before after all). We stuck to our guns and got a very good deal then, and that was when he was nearly out of contract.

Ok, cheers.. So we are playing hard ball with anyone who seriously wants him, good... I still think he'll go, and i think he'll go abroad (haven't Milan just got into Champs League qualifying position?), and I also think we'll get near the region of 28/30 mill for him.. Thing is, that'll prob be 10 up front, with the rest in add ons and per year payments!! so it wont boost our immediate transfer fund by much.

 

[vegassd]

I wouldn't mind SWP. I personally rate him above Lennon in terms of overall effectiveness, but only if he gets a decent run in the first team.

 

[Kendall]

I maybe think he brings slightly more to the table than Lennon at the moment - but he's about 6 years older

 

[xtrac]

Silly season has definately started, interesting to read all these ITKs, yet are very own The Goat hasnt said much recently. From that i suggest alot of whats floating around is just rumours, surely The Goat would have info on this, Right??

 

[Kendall]

Silly season has definately started, interesting to read all these ITKs, yet are very own The Goat hasnt said much recently. From that i suggest alot of whats floating around is just rumours, surely The Goat would have info on this, Right??

Not if different people have differet sources

 

[Dibby]

OK, for Essien and Cech :up:

 

[bubble07]

From chelsea I would like essien j.cole cech

I think if chelsea give us j.cole plus 15m the club would find it very hard to refuse

 

[xtrac]

Not if different people have differet sources

True, but i would of thought he would be able to clarify if true or not, dont you think.

 

[tRiKS]

After the signing of Modric, Joe cole wouldn't be a sensible player choice for a berb swap despite individualy how good he is. our need would be for a CF OR we would go for a proper CM and spend money on a CF. Essien is as high up the scale of Cm's as Berbs is up the CF's so Essien is not likely to be offered. I suspect if there is any truth in some sort of combination from these players;Tal ben Haiem, sidwell, Balletti and Bridge would be shoved at us.

get fucked chavs

 

[nickspurs]

After the signing of Modric, Joe cole wouldn't be a sensible player choice for a berb swap despite individualy how good he is. our need would be for a CF OR we would go for a proper CM and spend money on a CF. Essien is as high up the scale of Cm's as Berbs is up the CF's so Essien is not likely to be offered. I suspect if there is any truth in some sort of combination from these players;Tal ben Haiem, sidwell, Balletti and Bridge would be shoved at us.

get fucked chavs

I'd love it if that was the handwritten fax we sent back to them.

On emails I'd recommend an Outlook rule auto-replying something similar whenever Berbatov is in the subject.

 

[OpenHeartZoo]

Exactly, that's the point.

But Berbatov doesn't have to sign it - it's entirely our prerogative to extend it. We've put a new 5 year deal on the table with a £20k pay rise to equally Woody's £60k as a carrot instead, but don't need to do this.

Just a question Dan, or I guess to anyone else who knows...

People keep speaking about this 2 year extension that we can trigger, but isn't there supposed to be some rule now that when you're 28 you can buy out the remainder of your contract if you so choose?

I.e Chelsea phone up Berbatov and tell him they'll pay the £12m (or whatever 4 years pay is for him) to buy out his contract.

Can you or anyone else clear this up for me? I'm not questioning your information, it's just something that I'd heard it and didn't know if people were overlooking it or if i'd misunderstood the rule.

Cheers..

 

[justfookinhitit]

Anyone that suggests us getting John Terry should hang their head in shame.

I'd rather eat a dog turd sandwich than see him in a Spurs shirt.

 

[chinaman]

Cole and Essien + 5 million pounds. SWP and Anelka + 25 million pounds. If the latter deal is struck, we can turn around and sell SWP for about 12 million.

 

[GeneralBurk]

Cole and Essien + 5 million pounds. SWP and Anelka + 25 million pounds. If the latter deal is struck, we can turn around and sell SWP for about 12 million.

Or you could just not reply - realistically Cole + 10mill would be good business, Essien straight swap would unbelievably good business but will never happen - He is most complete midfielder in the world and as for SWP and Anelka + 25mill is laughable valuing Berbs at £50mill conservatively.

Personally I can not see any first team players from Chelsea that we would be interested in (therefore excluding fringe players such as Sidwell, Bridge, Ben Haim etc) taking the step down to join us both in a financial sense and sporting therefore it leaves straight cash as the only option for a lot of these clubs.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Just a question Dan, or I guess to anyone else who knows...

People keep speaking about this 2 year extension that we can trigger, but isn't there supposed to be some rule now that when you're 28 you can buy out the remainder of your contract if you so choose?

I.e Chelsea phone up Berbatov and tell him they'll pay the £12m (or whatever 4 years pay is for him) to buy out his contract.

Can you or anyone else clear this up for me? I'm not questioning your information, it's just something that I'd heard it and didn't know if people were overlooking it or if i'd misunderstood the rule.

Cheers..

To be honest I don't know.

I thought you could only ever buy out the last year of it? Otherwise it would be a free-for-all for all top players as £40k a week (Berbs in on slightly less than this) is only £2m per year.

All I know is we believe we're on totally solid ground, unlike the territory Carrick and Defoe were starting to get into.

 

[yanno]

The so-called "Webster Rule" allows a player of a certain age to buy out his contract. Obviously, he would expect to be compensated for this by the club he signed for, who in turn would benefit from not having to pay a transfer fee.

However, widespread use of the "Webster Rule" would undermine - if not destroy - the balance sheets of the big European clubs, and according to journalist Graham Hunter, there's an unwritten agreement amongst the big clubs not to sign "Webster Rule" players, because they don't want a new Bosman-type rule emerging. In other words, if Hunter is correct, there's no point players buying out their contracts under the "Webster Rule" as other clubs would refuse to sign them.

Of course, such an agreement between the big clubs would be illegal... :wink:

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Ronaldinho's brother and agent, Roberto Assis, has spoken about exercising the "Webster clause" whereby they can buy the player out of his own contract and move him on for free.

He even refused to rule out the possibility of moving to Barcelona's biggest rivals Real Madrid, but Graham Hunter told Revista that the Bernabeu club would not be interested.

And while he thinks it is "unlikely" that the Webster clause will be used, Hunter says these reports demonstrate the size of the rift that has grown between Ronaldinho and his club.

He said: "This clause is one that lets players have greater freedom of movement in their careers - even when they're under contract, given certain age and length of contract criteria.

"There is a concord between all big clubs not to use this in a bid to avoid 'another Bosman'. They want to stick together against the players and avoid opening Pandora's Box.

"Roberto Assis hinted on Brazilian television that they may try to break that concord and he specifically refused to rule out the idea that Ronaldinho might buy out his contract and move to Real Madrid.

"Let's dispatch the fantasy of Real Madrid being stupid enough to buy an out-of sorts, depressed, unfit Ronaldinho.

"But I think it tells you about the level of unhappiness and disharmony between the Ronaldinho camp and Barcelona that the brother should even contemplate saying that at a point of the season when Ronaldinho could still help the cause if he got fit"

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