ITKs WUMs and the Transfer Window

[Blue_Mauvey]

That the WUMs post rubbish knowingly (and for the pathetic gush of a moment's e-love of an empty promise) should disgust all normal minded people. I know that over on COYS they created a mind-experiment which was heavily enforced by thought police and which people, if they wished to be a member there had to submit to. But to anyone who's spent a moment under those unhealthy conditions and who managed to keep their individual sanity, this behaviour (both of the COYS team and of the WUMs) needs to be resisted at all costs.

It is seriously insane. Both to do it in the first place, and then to compound it by setting up a dictate that protects such behaviour. It's also an insult to any right-minded person to decree that ALL ITKs are posting in 'good faith'. That's unknowable for starters, and therefore ridiculous to set up as a going rule.

 

[soup]

Not a dig, but I did actually find this quite funny.....

http://www.dearmrlevy.com/dml/2009/9/2/how-many-itks-does-it-take-to-change-a-light-bulb.html

Q) How many In The Know's does it take to change a light-bulb?

A) None.


20 to express confidence in the light-bulb being changed successfully.
20 to suggest there's a real possibility it won't be changed.
12 to claim it should be changed by the end of the day but no guarantee.
23 to inform all there will be announcement later on in the day once the light bulb has been changed. Or possibly tomorrow morning.
7 to reiterate to all that they have to wait and see what happens.
17 to say the old bulb has lost it's spark.
9 to confirm the new light-bulb is looking good and should be a perfect fit.
5 to cryptically suggest that the 'sky has no rays shining down upon us until the Sun rises high in the sky' (translated: "Has anyone gone to Tescos yet to buy a new bulb?"
6 to go pick up lunch from Burger King.
15 to suggest a plumber might be better suited for the job.
5 to let everyone know that the new bulb will be world class.
11 to inform not to expect much, bulb might be purchased from Pound Stretcher.
9 to suggest the bulb might not need changing, but if someone comes in with a new one...
7 to hold up a ladder to reach the bulb and 1 to suggest a tree might provide sterner support.
80 to stand God-like around the ladder chanting 'Kneel before Zod' whilst worshippers pray and unequivocally await for news of when the bulb will be changed, refusing to look up and see for themselves.
10 to read instructions on how to change a light-bulb online.
10 more to claim they also read the instructions but didn't really, but insist they know how to.
5 to state categorically that if they change the bulb and it fails to work, it's not their fault, but the fault of the person who gave them the instructions.
22 to claim to be patient as the new light-bulb is being imported from abroad.
5 to say they've read on Twitter that the bulb has been changed already.
7 to point out the bulb will hang from the centre, but will enough light get to the left-side of the room?
4 to wait for the second the bulb is changed, and then quickly call everyone they know and tell them the bulb is about to be changed.
3 to watch the bulb being changed from afar and then tell everyone they know that the reason the bulb was changed was because the older bulb flickered too much and needed replacing.
4 to say that something will be done before Tesco's shut otherwise they'll have to wait until it re-opens.
2 to call order and inform all that they are about to conclude the changing of the light-bulb, possibly two bulbs. One's a Halogen the other Fluorescent but possibly has very good colour-rendering ability. Should be rare-earth tri-phosphor. Electricians will hold a press conference some time this week, possibly towards the end of next week for the first bulb with the second announcement to follow soon after if a further bulb is used. Decent voltage for both bulbs. One of them has long-term life with up to 10,000 hours while the other will be a surprise (but a good one - possibly energy saving) and has thus far enjoyed a brief warm-up period to reach full brightness but is looking forward to hanging from the ceiling.


1 passer-by to point out that there is no light-bulb to change because they're all standing around in a dark room with no electricity.

 

[Hoowl]

It is seriously insane. Both to do it in the first place, and then to compound it by setting up a dictate that protects such behaviour. It's also an insult to any right-minded person to decree that ALL ITKs are posting in 'good faith'. That's unknowable for starters, and therefore ridiculous to set up as a going rule.

There will almost certainly be some WUMs posing as ITK who do not post in good faith. We have to assume people post in good faith as it's impossible to tell the difference between a WUM and an ITK. However, if you read the opening post, it basically doesn't matter whether people are WUMs or actually ITK. Hanging on the every word of either will almost inevitably lead to dissapointment. It's not the WUMs that matter, it's the way we ourselves treat ITK information (which may or may not be true). Take it too seriously and you'll get annoyed and probably end up feeling bitter. Use it as an oppertunity to dream and you might enjoy it.

 

[Blue_Mauvey]

There will almost certainly be some WUMs posing as ITK who do not post in good faith. We have to assume people post in good faith as it's impossible to tell the difference between a WUM and an ITK. However, if you read the opening post, it basically doesn't matter whether people are WUMs or actually ITK. Hanging on the every word of either will almost inevitably lead to dissapointment. It's not the WUMs that matter, it's the way we ourselves treat ITK information (which may or may not be true). Take it too seriously and you'll get annoyed and probably end up feeling bitter. Use it as an oppertunity to dream and you might enjoy it.

It's not about 'hanging on to every word', nor is it a plea for clarification of the original statement (which was hardly dense or in need of repetition now was it). My main issue with the stance re ITKs is this assumption that 'good faith' drives each contribution. I don't want to get all philosophical (in the true philosophical sense), but to make a statement to that end is an affront to qualia and all other facets of the ineffable (pub fight!). Have a word son.

and p.s., what's wrong with getting annoyed and bitter? You'd have us all living in Stepford at this rate (Hoowls turn to dream).

 

[Hoowl]

It's not about 'hanging on to every word', nor is it a plea for clarification of the original statement (which was hardly dense or in need of repetition now was it). My main issue with the stance re ITKs is this assumption that 'good faith' drives each contribution. I don't want to get all philosophical (in the true philosophical sense), but to make a statement to that end is an affront to qualia and all other facets of the ineffable (pub fight!). Have a word son.

and p.s., what's wrong with getting annoyed and bitter? You'd have us all living in Stepford at this rate (Hoowls turn to dream).

As I've said I'm sure there are people out there who don't post in good faith. Unfortunately there is no way to irrefutably tell if someone is a WUM or is ITK. If you start to take particular pieces of ITK information as not passed on in good faith then you are saying the poster is a WUM. Of course you can believe this, and it may well be true, but we can't prove it for sure. So long as we can't prove it, we can't call out these WUMs lest we throw the baby out with the bathwater and end up losing true ITKs. The reason we say that 'you have to assume ITK information is passed on in good faith' is essentially to avoid ITK abuse. We could equally employ the COYS mantra of 'play the ball, not the man'.

 

[SpurSince57]

As I've said I'm sure there are people out there who don't post in good faith. Unfortunately there is no way to irrefutably tell if someone is a WUM or is ITK. If you start to take particular pieces of ITK information as not passed on in good faith then you are saying the poster is a WUM. Of course you can believe this, and it may well be true, but we can't prove it for sure. So long as we can't prove it, we can't call out these WUMs lest we throw the baby out with the bathwater and end up losing true ITKs. The reason we say that 'you have to assume ITK information is passed on in good faith' is essentially to avoid ITK abuse. We could equally employ the COYS mantra of 'play the ball, not the man'.

Experience over the past few windows suggests that anyone claiming to work at the Stock Exchange (or to have a friend working there) or for a Hatton Garden jeweller is definitely a fantasy merchant. The phrase 'don't shoot the messenger' also has me reaching for my Browning, to paraphrase Dr. Goebbels (or whoever it was).

 

[remember91]

I don't get the seriousness over ITK's and Wum's. In the end its just gossip, a bit of fun. Like any gossip some is true, some is greatly exagerated and some is utter balls. I know people who gossip complete sh*t, I just take what they say with a pinch of salt, I wouldn't attack them over it - "your not an ITK your a WUM you shouldn't be aloud to talk!!! etc etc etc. This is exactly what we're doing when we get too seriouss about ITK's.

Again reading that we're gonna sign £20M dutch and brazilian internationals is entertaining as we'd like to dream we'd get these players and win the league. Its not serious. This is football remember, what matters is on the pitch.

 

[StartingPrice]

Put them to the torture - that will get the truth, lies and incrimating evidence against all close family members and acquantances :-D

 

[rebrab]

Put them to the torture - that will get the truth, lies and incrimating evidence against all close family members and acquantances :-D

:rofl: stick itks in water and see if they float...

 

[PT]

Well, the window closes and we trundle towards the next opportunity to actually have players showing off their new spurs shirt on the hallowed turf of WHL.

What goes on in between windows however, is more of the same although more covert.

What happens to the leaks in this time though, when attention is diverted by the game of football? Where do the ITKs go when adulation is waning?

 

[Bizness]

I would have to say that there was some tremendous bullshit written this window and jazzed up as ITK. Some of it almost as embarrassing as the Dan Ashcroft affair last year