It's the Euros 2020! Finals Match Thread: It’s gone to Rome…

[Serpico]

The louder the racists get, the more they should take the knee.

They are wound up by the nonsense they see and share on social media, they are wound up by right-wing dog whistles and by populist rhetoric from papers they read and the people they listen to.

That's who actually winds them up, not a group of proud young men protesting racism.

Raciest are out there and need to be smoked out. I would open it up and allow people to voice their views and lets see who they are. Challenge them to come forward.

As supporters we wear football tops at games-maybe some sort of anti racist symbol/logo or massage should be placed on the shirt chest on every club shirt throughout the league.Take it off the players.
Would these people then wear such a shirt.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

My personal experience with England supporting tourists in Scotland through tournament:
Weird aura of bullish superiority after wins , other nations present type of happiness that’s invite others to celebrate (both Germans and Mexicans on previous tournaments I had in big numbers and they where great creating fiesta like atmosphere for all).
For final they where in slightly minority (all Scots supported Italy, some local Italians ,Edinburgh have strong ties and relatively old thriving Italian community ) and responded with real anger and aversion after defeat .
Had to break up couple of fights trigger by “overtly enthusiastic” celebration.
Side note
we are considered “English” pub with predominantly English student clientele.We heavily promote Rugby and I did not witness anything similar even on Sco - Eng games.
Side note 2
Unrelated to violence, first time England supporters where so varied in ethnic composition, I have seen some members of local mosque before quietly interested now openly presenting England football shirts and actively supporting

I’m Welsh and support the Welsh team. As regards international games !when they play I support England,Scotland,and both Irelands. If any of these teams lose to any other country I applaud the other team if they were the better team.
Lots of my fellow Welsh fans were all for Italy on Sunday,does that make them racist against fellow Brits?
My own son-in- law is ,like me a massive Spurs fan but his very vocal opposition to England winning to me seemed absolutely stupid. I pointed out that his favourite Spurs player was the captain of England so why the hell didn’t he want Harry to lift the cup? His answer was ‘because I hate the bloody English fans they think they’re so much better than us Welsh’.
Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous in your life. His best man was English as well!

 

[RickyVilla]

I’m Welsh and support the Welsh team. As regards international games !when they play I support England,Scotland,and both Irelands. If any of these teams lose to any other country I applaud the other team if they were the better team.
Lots of my fellow Welsh fans were all for Italy on Sunday,does that make them racist against fellow Brits?
My own son-in- law is ,like me a massive Spurs fan but his very vocal opposition to England winning to me seemed absolutely stupid. I pointed out that his favourite Spurs player was the captain of England so why the hell didn’t he want Harry to lift the cup? His answer was ‘because I hate the bloody English fans they think they’re so much better than us Welsh’.
Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous in your life. His best man was English as well!

You should have seen some of the stuff Welshie was posting on Facebook. He's not a massive fan of the English either.

 

[Spurslove]

this attitude is a mirror image of how Poch was treated at Spurs. Somehow, the great success England have had in the last two tournaments has nothing to do with the architect of that success. A semi and a final in consecutive tournaments, which apparently took about 50 years to achieve before him. Hilarious.

Maybe you can recommend Mourinho, a real winner, who can take England to the next level.

Interesting that you mentioned Poch in your condemnation of my post regarding Southgate. It's almost as if you're suggesting that simply getting to a semi-final and a final is the same as winning those trophies. It isn't.

I think it should be pretty clear that despite us reaching a semi-final and a final, Southgate's England are just not good enough a side to win trophies, and he has been good enough to accept full responsibility for us failing at the final hurdle, so for me, he has to go. HIs team selections, and his over negative tactics simply are not good enough.
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[Amo]

Southgate's England are just not good enough a side to win trophies, and he has been good enough to accept full responsibility for us failing at the final hurdle, so for me, he has to go.

 

[Stamford]

They were racist before the taking of the knee and will be racist after as well. Not exactly been successful really. What I’m thinking is that they will be even more racist after.

But far more have been made aware of this and that's the whole point. This country has many racist people but those people aren't going to change it's about influencing the other people and it's been very effective

 

[Serpico]

Interesting that you mentioned Poch in your condemnation of my post regarding Southgate. It's almost as if you're suggesting that simply getting to a semi-final and a final is the same as winning those trophies. It isn't.

I think it should be pretty clear that despite us reaching a semi-final and a final, Southgate's England are just not good enough a side to win trophies, and he has been good enough to accept full responsibility for us failing at the final hurdle, so for me, he has to go. HIs team selections, and his over negative tactics simply are not good enough.
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There is always a compromise. IMO,
England played 3 forwards to press Italys back 4 so they would kick long. Mancini corrected this and found the space between the lines which caused England to chase the game. Southgate didn't adjust. Spain got it spot on with Italy by removing the forward against the back two of Bonucci, Chiellini, to fill the MF and it nearly worked.

 

[JimmyG2]

I think Southgate should resign as Manager
and become some high power suit at the FA or somewhere.
He has the ability to inspire and prepare the team
but his game management was poor.
Like the boy notwithstanding.
Treatment of Grealish, substitutions and exposure of Saka
all sackable offences.
Kick him upstairs before the World Cup.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

The hooligans on show on Sunday was bad, and nobody wants to see that, but to say it's an English problem only is definitely incorrect.

I went to Rotterdam a few years ago for work and took a trip to De Kuip as I had a bit of spare time before my flight, took in a quick stadium tour and as it was in the middle of the day during a week it was only me. So I had a long chat with the guide and he was explaining to me how bad the hooligans were there. They have to have a tunnel from the train station to the stadium for the away fans so they don't get attacked.

Also they have about a 15ft deep ditch going around the pitch to stop the fans from causing trouble running onto it. Hard to notice it on TV and it surprised me that it was there.

I think it's more a weird football tribalism problem that continues to manifest itself in different ways.

 

[Amo]

The hooligans on show on Sunday was bad, and nobody wants to see that, but to say it's an English problem only is definitely incorrect.

I went to Rotterdam a few years ago for work and took a trip to De Kuip as I had a bit of spare time before my flight, took in a quick stadium tour and as it was in the middle of the day during a week it was only me. So I had a long chat with the guide and he was explaining to me how bad the hooligans were there. They have to have a tunnel from the train station to the stadium for the away fans so they don't get attacked.

Also they have about a 15ft deep ditch going around the pitch to stop the fans from causing trouble running onto it. Hard to notice it on TV and it surprised me that it was there.

I think it's more a weird football tribalism problem that continues to manifest itself in different ways.

It was a bit much to claim it's only an English problem but at the same time :

1) idc if every other country on Earth is the same, we should strive not to be that way and

2) there really is something about fans in England that is particularly loutish and low. every family or woman I've heard discuss the scenes on Sunday talk about how terrified they were, how uncomfortable it was, how dangerous it felt. Not just around Wembley (where families stood on the steps instead of risking asking drunk men to vacate their seats) but all around London, too.

 

[RickyVilla]

The hooligans on show on Sunday was bad, and nobody wants to see that, but to say it's an English problem only is definitely incorrect.

I went to Rotterdam a few years ago for work and took a trip to De Kuip as I had a bit of spare time before my flight, took in a quick stadium tour and as it was in the middle of the day during a week it was only me. So I had a long chat with the guide and he was explaining to me how bad the hooligans were there. They have to have a tunnel from the train station to the stadium for the away fans so they don't get attacked.

Also they have about a 15ft deep ditch going around the pitch to stop the fans from causing trouble running onto it. Hard to notice it on TV and it surprised me that it was there.

I think it's more a weird football tribalism problem that continues to manifest itself in different ways.

Yep and no away fans allowed, at either stadium, when Ajax play them.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

It was a bit much to claim it's only an English problem but at the same time :

1) idc if every other country on Earth is the same, we should strive not to be that way and

2) there really is something about fans in England that is particularly loutish and low. every family or woman I've heard discuss the scenes on Sunday talk about how terrified they were, how uncomfortable it was, how dangerous it felt. Not just around Wembley (where families stood on the steps instead of risking asking drunk men to vacate their seats) but all around London, too.

Chaos at the Eiffel Tower as violence erupts following France's Euro 2016 defeat

Police armed with batons attempted to disperse the crowds beneath the Eiffel Tower

www.independent.co.uk

Riots broke out in Paris as France lost to Portugal in Euro 2016 final

Police used tear gas and water cannon against the crowds.

metro.co.uk

 

[Trix]

I’m Welsh and support the Welsh team. As regards international games !when they play I support England,Scotland,and both Irelands. If any of these teams lose to any other country I applaud the other team if they were the better team.
Lots of my fellow Welsh fans were all for Italy on Sunday,does that make them racist against fellow Brits?
My own son-in- law is ,like me a massive Spurs fan but his very vocal opposition to England winning to me seemed absolutely stupid. I pointed out that his favourite Spurs player was the captain of England so why the hell didn’t he want Harry to lift the cup? His answer was ‘because I hate the bloody English fans they think they’re so much better than us Welsh’.
Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous in your life. His best man was English as well!

As someone who lives not far away from Wales in a town heavily frequented in the Summer months by Welsh Holliday makers, I can tell you there are a lot of Welsh that are anti English and not just English fans. Of course it's a minority but it's very much a large number minority. There has been plenty of trouble here in the past in what is a small seaside resort because of it.

 

[Amo]

Chaos at the Eiffel Tower as violence erupts following France's Euro 2016 defeat

Police armed with batons attempted to disperse the crowds beneath the Eiffel Tower

www.independent.co.uk

Riots broke out in Paris as France lost to Portugal in Euro 2016 final

Police used tear gas and water cannon against the crowds.

metro.co.uk

Which part of my post are you responding to? The part where I said I don't care if other countries are the same or the part where I said families and women were not comfortable on the night and that the fans in England are particularly loutish? Or was it the part where I said it's too far to claim other counties don't face similar issues with their own fans?

I don't get it what's your point beyond whataboutery.

 

[Trix]

The hooligans on show on Sunday was bad, and nobody wants to see that, but to say it's an English problem only is definitely incorrect.

I went to Rotterdam a few years ago for work and took a trip to De Kuip as I had a bit of spare time before my flight, took in a quick stadium tour and as it was in the middle of the day during a week it was only me. So I had a long chat with the guide and he was explaining to me how bad the hooligans were there. They have to have a tunnel from the train station to the stadium for the away fans so they don't get attacked.

Also they have about a 15ft deep ditch going around the pitch to stop the fans from causing trouble running onto it. Hard to notice it on TV and it surprised me that it was there.

I think it's more a weird football tribalism problem that continues to manifest itself in different ways.

It happens all over. Not every country highlights their own problems in the same way we do though.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Which part of my post are you responding to? The part where I said I don't care if other countries are the same or the part where I said families and women were not comfortable on the night and that the fans in England are particularly loutish? Or was it the part where I said it's too far to claim other counties don't face similar issues with their own fans?

I don't get it what's your point beyond whataboutery.

It wasn't aimed just at you.

But i was responding to the part where you suggested england is particularly low based on anecdotal evidence of families feeling scared throughout london.

I'm confident there would be stories of families being scared in the fan parks in France during 2016. People were told to avoid fairly major tourist spots due to violence.

 

[Spurs_1981]

Which part of my post are you responding to? The part where I said I don't care if other countries are the same or the part where I said families and women were not comfortable on the night and that the fans in England are particularly loutish? Or was it the part where I said it's too far to claim other counties don't face similar issues with their own fans?

I don't get it what's your point beyond whataboutery.

I suspect it was this part 'there really is something about fans in England that is particularly loutish and low.'

I posted the findings of a study previously that suggest it's 10% of fans engaging in this behaviour across the major European nations and it is consistent with that in England. Quite rightly the English are in the spotlight at the moment as we have embarrased ourselves on a national platform once again. It's disgusting and needs to be condemned but it is not a uniquely English problem and we need to discuss it in it's full context. Us vs them style narratives are only going to fuel more resentment and animosity.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

It was a bit much to claim it's only an English problem but at the same time :

1) idc if every other country on Earth is the same, we should strive not to be that way and

2) there really is something about fans in England that is particularly loutish and low. every family or woman I've heard discuss the scenes on Sunday talk about how terrified they were, how uncomfortable it was, how dangerous it felt. Not just around Wembley (where families stood on the steps instead of risking asking drunk men to vacate their seats) but all around London, too.

I don't disagree at all, I hate the loutish, topless beer-belly drunken behaviour that some English fans display. Disrespecting anthems, beating up away fans, it's just dumb and nonsensical. The scenes on Sunday all over London was embarrassing.

It's just that when it comes to football there is this dark element in lots of countries throughout europe, Italy included.

I think in Turkey they had the right idea by not just having a stadium ban but just banning men! Women and children were the only ones allowed in. It was only for one game iirc but that might be something that should be implemented here as a punishment instead of completely having games behind closed doors.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Also, UEFA really messed up by not moving that game to an earlier time slot, 4 or 5pm would have been much better. Not sure what they expected was going to happen playing the biggest game this country has seen in 50 odd years at 8pm. There was always going to be chaos.

 

[Monkey boy]

Also, UEFA really messed up by not moving that game to an earlier time slot, 4 or 5pm would have been much better. Not sure what they expected was going to happen playing the biggest game this country has seen in 50 odd years at 8pm. There was always going to be chaos.

Yeah it’s UEFA who are at fault for giving the English so much time to get drunk

almost as bad as the poster the other day claiming it was the Danish fans fault for getting spat at because they wore Danish shirts.