It's the Euros 2020! Finals Match Thread: It’s gone to Rome…

[PLTuck]

Gary Neville analyses England's defeat and strongly condemns racial abuse in passionate speech - YouTube

Bang on. Every word.

 

[Tony-Bish]

Don't usually react to ratings but @Tony-Bish I take it the funny was done by accident?

Yes, accidental!

we need a cultural shift that starts even with ‘hating arsenal’ I’m of the view we should see them more as brothers, we want them to push us to be our best, we want them to do well also, just that we do better. We all need to move away from anything about hating anyone, not just black players as this will have an affect that goes beyond that. Anyone down votingme for that can’t see that it doesn’t matter what skin colour we have, what part of land someone was born onto or what team they support, we’re all part of the same species. Even those who are being racist and abusive, they usually haven’t had the love and support they needed growing up. We need to look at the cause of the problem rather than imposing punishment.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Just on the game. I' m certainly no expert but it seems to me that England doesn't have the quality midfielders required to play possession based play and, indeed, to use Kane to his best ability.. England's quality is in it's wide players and fullbacks so Southgate's tactics always made sense to me - and even if it wasnt to Kane's striker strengths he used Kane like Mourinho did with good effect.

Semi Final of World Cup. FInal of Euros. I'd say he's been proved right.

If England had a De Bruyne or a Pogba... but they don't.

Onions

Have to disagree bud.

The likes of Grealish & Foden are more than capable of possession based play. They're wonderfully talented young players, they draw fouls, they link play & they make shit happen. They'd also very much compliment Kane.

Unfortunately England have a manager who'd prefer to ignore such talent, and would rather have 7 defensive players on the pitch & then pray that the 3 attacking players can pull a rabbit out of the hat all on their own.

Sounds kind of familiar to what we (Spurs fans) have endured for the last 18 months, doesn't it? Totally ignore the main threat within the squad at his disposal, in preference for a risk averse bore fest that is only ever going to result in exposing the biggest weakness within that squad.

This setting up not to lose bollocks has to stop. Nobody wins anything if they don't go out to win!

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I'm going to put this out there because I am curious for some feedback...

I think penalties are a horrible and ridiculous way for matches like this to be decided. It is a team sport and no individual should be the scapegoat like this.

My solution is as follows: From extra-time onwards shots on target, followed by possession in the opposition half should be the two metrics that decide the winner in case of a draw. There needs to be some system of lighting which the players and the crowd can all see which indicates which team is winning based on those metrics at any particular point. One big green light lit on the currently winning team's side.

Because it would be based on at least two metrics of decreasing importance the situation could change in an instant at any moment. But the teams won't know. For example, it might take just one more shot on target to flip. It would mean teams would play attacking football instead of sitting back to take it to penalties. No more lottery and scapegoats, but an exciting and fair way to finish a match.

Just bring back the golden goal.

 

[sidford]

Was there anyone here in the stadium? Are the rumours true that some of the pricks who stormed the stadium got into people's seats and wouldn't leave them & stewards did nothing about it?! A few journos saying this happened but surely steward's/police would step in for that?!

 

[TheBlueRooster]

Just bring back the golden goal.

Worse than penalties.

 

[carmeldevil]

I looked up Saka penalty shootout history and he only took 3, once during FA Youth Cup and twice during international friendlies.

Tough situation to put him in for his first top-level penalty kick.

 

[UncleBuck]

Yes, I mean WTF is that all about? These morons don't even understand how much us booing the opposition's national anthem gees them up even further. Shameful, indefensible and utterly disrespectful behaviour.
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I’m reading through some of these news feeds about how supporters have been behaving and it’s an absolute disgrace. From steaming into the stadium, fighting with each other, laser pens, booing other teams national anthems, World War II songs yet again, abusing your own players after missing a penalty and just scumbag behaviour.
What is it with people in this county and their inability to behave themselves when football is thrown into the equation?
We had pretty much a home tournament and bottled it, I’m actually glad we didn’t win it as these arseholes don’t deserve it and the rest of the world would never hear the end of it.
Cold light of day and I can honestly say that I am embarrassed to be English.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Worse than penalties.

Oh I don't disagree.

My post was more in preference to the suggestion of using shots on target & possession in the opposition half, as a way to decide the outcome after extra time.

 

[Marty]

I'm going to put this out there because I am curious for some feedback...

I think penalties are a horrible and ridiculous way for matches like this to be decided. It is a team sport and no individual should be the scapegoat like this.

My solution is as follows: From extra-time onwards shots on target, followed by possession in the opposition half should be the two metrics that decide the winner in case of a draw. There needs to be some system of lighting which the players and the crowd can all see which indicates which team is winning based on those metrics at any particular point. One big green light lit on the currently winning team's side.

Because it would be based on at least two metrics of decreasing importance the situation could change in an instant at any moment. But the teams won't know. For example, it might take just one more shot on target to flip. It would mean teams would play attacking football instead of sitting back to take it to penalties. No more lottery and scapegoats, but an exciting and fair way to finish a match.

I think deciding a match by any other metric than how many goals have been scored is a very bad idea. Penalties for all it's woes is the lesser evil, save playing US style overtime of 15 minute periods until someone's leading and that could take forever. With penalties at least you know someone will eventually miss or save and we will reach a conclusion.

I actually liked the Silver Goal rule they had in Euro 2004, where if a team leads at half time in extra time they win.

I once lost a knockout game in a youth tournament because we'd won the fewest corners and I'm still not over it. Awful way to lose and you'll never see it at pro level.

 

[Julmust]

I'm going to put this out there because I am curious for some feedback...

I think penalties are a horrible and ridiculous way for matches like this to be decided. It is a team sport and no individual should be the scapegoat like this.

My solution is as follows: From extra-time onwards shots on target, followed by possession in the opposition half should be the two metrics that decide the winner in case of a draw. There needs to be some system of lighting which the players and the crowd can all see which indicates which team is winning based on those metrics at any particular point. One big green light lit on the currently winning team's side.

Because it would be based on at least two metrics of decreasing importance the situation could change in an instant at any moment. But the teams won't know. For example, it might take just one more shot on target to flip. It would mean teams would play attacking football instead of sitting back to take it to penalties. No more lottery and scapegoats, but an exciting and fair way to finish a match.

Nah. First of all, those metrics would make it impossible for some teams, especially smaller teams, to win anything. Denmark will never have more possession and shots on target when playing England. That doesn’t mean they can’t defend masterfully and thoroughly deserve a victory anyway.

Secondly, this would likely result in teams just passing around their back 4 to boost possession. And what would stop teams from simply shooting as soon as they get over the halfway line? Even if it’s a 50 meter shot that the keeper can save with his chest, it’s still a shot on goal.

Edit: Noticed you said possession in the opposing team’s half. Point still stands, there are teams that are brilliant in holding on to the ball without ever creating an actual chance to score.

 

[Monkey boy]

I'm going to put this out there because I am curious for some feedback...

I think penalties are a horrible and ridiculous way for matches like this to be decided. It is a team sport and no individual should be the scapegoat like this.

My solution is as follows: From extra-time onwards shots on target, followed by possession in the opposition half should be the two metrics that decide the winner in case of a draw. There needs to be some system of lighting which the players and the crowd can all see which indicates which team is winning based on those metrics at any particular point. One big green light lit on the currently winning team's side.

Because it would be based on at least two metrics of decreasing importance the situation could change in an instant at any moment. But the teams won't know. For example, it might take just one more shot on target to flip. It would mean teams would play attacking football instead of sitting back to take it to penalties. No more lottery and scapegoats, but an exciting and fair way to finish a match.

Penalties are all about how you hold your nerve. This notion that its a lottery is nonsense. NO different to a striker missing a chance they 99/100 would score during the game. Also takes a lot of skill from the goalkeepers to save them so no penalties should be here to stay.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Just came here to say I'm heartbroken that someone as talented as Saka, not only faced racial abuse for missing the pen even though he is still a teenager, but has to return to the Emirates this season. Can't get any worse than that. This is not a joke by the way, I am genuinely gutted that he is an Arsenal player.

The Kid is going to be a star.

I'm smitten with an Arsenal player, there I said it.

 

[Monkey boy]

Just came here to say I'm heartbroken that someone as talented as Saka, not only faced racial abuse for missing the pen even though he is still a teenager, but has to return to the Emirates this season. Can't get any worse than that. This is not a joke by the way, I am genuinely gutted that he is an Arsenal player.

The Kid is going to be a star.

I'm smitten with an Arsenal player, there I said it.

Are you sure you've not fallen in to the trap of over hyping a young english player?

 

[michaelden]

The Ref was way too lenient in any case - Chiellini should already have been booked by that point

Harry Kane kicks a ball against his tackler's arm, wins a free kick for England for handball, even though the Italian player had no chance to get out the way.

Italy kicks the ball and it hits an English arm in the box, no penalty, free kick, yellow, nothing....

Yip, the ref favoured Italy

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Are you sure you've not fallen in to the trap of over hyping a young english player?

Not at all, he has been brilliant all season, especially for his age.

The Euros just solidified my opinion of him.

 

[Monkey boy]

Not at all, he has been brilliant all season, especially for his age.

The Euros just solidified my opinion of him.

Fair enough, i cant say ive watched him more than on a handful of occassions as i dont really watch any games not involving Tottenham but his stats certainly dont seem to suggest that hes been brilliant for Arsenal and again i didnt see anything that suggested that he was brilliant at the euros. Had a good game against the Czech Republic but other than that i wouldnt say he did anything to stand out and justify his inclusion ahead of Grealish or Foden. Just my opinion of course.

 

[Dougal]

Just came here to say I'm heartbroken that someone as talented as Saka, not only faced racial abuse for missing the pen even though he is still a teenager, but has to return to the Emirates this season. Can't get any worse than that. This is not a joke by the way, I am genuinely gutted that he is an Arsenal player.

The Kid is going to be a star.

I'm smitten with an Arsenal player, there I said it.

This is either Stockholm Syndrome after being captivated by the Euros or it’s PTSD. One course of treatment either way, form an orderly queue…

 

[archiewasking]

Just bring back the golden goal.

And the silver goal.

 

[Mattspur]

Watchin

Seeing the racial abuse of Saka in the above posts just reaffirms that the majority of this country are fucking ****s.

It’s a fucking game of football.

It’s one of the reasons why I have started to dislike international football. The faux patriotism, the any excuse to drink, the “gotta watch the game with the lads”, the total dismissal of current rules around lockdown.

Good old England…

Any excuse for a piss up, followed by shit behaviour, racial slurs, a punch up with another person that shares an IQ that starts with a decimal point, and…. I could go on.

Fuck off.

It’s not a majority at all. It’s a very very small minority. Unfortunately, with social media, these idiots are able to have their voice heard.