James Maddison

[Hotspur88]

@Rob is there a reason that Hotspur88 has lost his blue background?

I've never had one mate.

 

[mattspur1]

Cos I can't be bothered to start work yet here are some stats from last season for you all to play with - Kulus only cover his time at Spurs - some of its interesting

Kulu Maddison Zaniolo
goals 5 12 2
Expected Goals 2.69 6.64 6.00
Shots 26 72 70
on target 9 33 20
off target 5 20 23
blocked 12 19 27
offsides 4 4 10
fouled 20 22 52
assists 8 8 2
exp assits 3.40 5.53 2.67
passes 470 970 464
completed 408 786 361
complete % 87% 81% 78%
tackles att 37 72 46
successful 19 40 24
success % 51% 56% 52%

Maddo it is then! ?

 

[djhotspur]

I've said it before but I don't understand the obsession with Maddison in here. I've always thought he was bang average personally. He had a good season last year to be fair but I don't think he is all that great and would be pretty underwhelmed if we got him.

Maybe because he is now 25, coming into his prime, all reports say he’s really knuckled down after the birth of his first kid which coincided with his best form. He was working hard all summer not off partying and has come off the back of an incredible season, which half the season was spent playing right inside forward which would mean he now suits our formation.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

I've said it before but I don't understand the obsession with Maddison in here. I've always thought he was bang average personally. He had a good season last year to be fair but I don't think he is all that great and would be pretty underwhelmed if we got him.

I'm with you, I think he is overrated too. Was absolutely terrible at the beginning of last season to the point he got dropped. He has large periods where he is really poor and I don't think he suits our system at all.

It's all well and good saying we need a CAM but we don't even play 3-5-2 and Conte has shown no hints that he wants to play it regularly. If we want to switch to it for a match he could easily just play Kulusevski as the CAM. Conte clearly wants to play 3-4-3 as the primary system so we need a left footer for the inside right position to maintain balance.

Would much rather go for Olise, Diaby or someone like that who can play RWF and LWF.

 

[lincspurs]

I'm with you, I think he is overrated too. Was absolutely terrible at the beginning of last season to the point he got dropped. He has large periods where he is really poor and I don't think he suits our system at all.

It's all well and good saying we need a CAM but we don't even play 3-5-2 and Conte has shown no hints that he wants to play it regularly. If we want to switch to it for a match he could easily just play Kulusevski as the CAM. Conte clearly wants to play 3-4-3 as the primary system so we need a left footer for the inside right position to maintain balance.

Would much rather go for Olise, Diaby or someone like that who can play RWF and LWF.

Agree re Olise, looks a star.

 

[SpartanSpur]

With the reports in Rome that Jose wants to keep Zaniolo and Lyon always being a pain to deal with. I wonder if hijacking Newcastle for Maddison ends up being the simplest deal for us to do out of the 3 AM options.

 

[DiscoD1882]

I've never had one mate.

ITK SAS ?

 

[crazyguitarman]

I'm with you, I think he is overrated too. Was absolutely terrible at the beginning of last season to the point he got dropped. He has large periods where he is really poor and I don't think he suits our system at all.

It's all well and good saying we need a CAM but we don't even play 3-5-2 and Conte has shown no hints that he wants to play it regularly. If we want to switch to it for a match he could easily just play Kulusevski as the CAM. Conte clearly wants to play 3-4-3 as the primary system so we need a left footer for the inside right position to maintain balance.

Would much rather go for Olise, Diaby or someone like that who can play RWF and LWF.

Olise who is HG and with a reported 35m release clause makes just far too much sense. Next summer we won't be able to afford him or Eze either I think.

 

[HildoSpur]

Maybe because he is now 25, coming into his prime, all reports say he’s really knuckled down after the birth of his first kid which coincided with his best form. He was working hard all summer not off partying and has come off the back of an incredible season, which half the season was spent playing right inside forward which would mean he now suits our formation.

So basically half his career up until last season he has not been very good and hugely overrated. I'm really not that impressed with him. If he comes in then fine I'd hope he does great but I just don't get the people in here going mental because we might sign a player who is younger and up until their injury was seen as a player with a much, much higher ceiling than Maddison.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

So basically half his career up until last season he has not been very good and hugely overrated. I'm really not that impressed with him. If he comes in then fine I'd hope he does great but I just don't get the people in here going mental because we might sign a player who is younger and up until their injury was seen as a player with a much, much higher ceiling than Maddison.

Not very good and hugely overrated...

Scored and assisted 14 as a 21 year old in his first season in the prem. 9 in his second, 15 in his 3rd and 20 in his 4th.

He's been on an upward trajectory ever since making the jump and has finally matured to a player among the premier league elite.

You might not want him but he has been far from overrated or not very good.

 

[HildoSpur]

Not very good and hugely overrated...

Scored and assisted 14 as a 21 year old in his first season in the prem. 9 in his second, 15 in his 3rd and 20 in his 4th.

He's been on an upward trajectory ever since making the jump and has finally matured to a player among the premier league elite.

You might not want him but he has been far from overrated or not very good.

Don't get me wrong I think he is ok and if he comes in then that's ok. I just don't think he is as good as many others on here seem to believe he is.

 

[amathews3416]

He is great dead ball specialist. Only JWP is better statistically in the Prem.

 

[mil1lion]

Honestly either of Maddison, Zaniolo or Paqueta will round off a great window. We just have to move fast because there's interest for all 3.

 

[Timberwolf]

One of the things I like about Maddison is that I think he'd be a good long term investment.

If we sign Zaniolo and Conte leaves in a a year or two I can see him being a bit of an awkward Dele-type player who won't suit most systems and will be difficult to shift.

Maddison strikes me as more adaptable and I think he would both retain value and flourish in other systems.

Obviously we need to support Conte so I'm not saying we force Maddison onto him over Zaniolo, but personally I'd prefer us to sign the more adaptable player who knows the league, is homegrown, has other strings to his bow (creativity, set pieces) etc.

 

[What Lies Beneath]

Probs been mentioned but Conte doesn’t prefer him to others still have to shift players before we can sign incomings

 

[mil1lion]

I know we joke about the right wing back options but I do wonder how much this matters to Conte. Having someone who can play right wing back doesnt mean they will play there much. It means he can be more flexible on each side. He can push Perisic forward at times on the left and has a few options on the right. Having the option to play 2 attackers on the right can really help our chances of breaking teams down. Maybe he sees Paqueta and Zaniolo as a better fit for that. I can't see Maddison play at wing back personally. It means we could play 2 of Kulusevski, Moura and Paqueta/Zaniolo at the same time.

 

[dovahkiin]

 

[Woland]

Cos I can't be bothered to start work yet here are some stats from last season for you all to play with - Kulus only cover his time at Spurs - some of its interesting

Kulu Maddison Zaniolo
goals 5 12 2
Expected Goals 2.69 6.64 6.00
Shots 26 72 70
on target 9 33 20
off target 5 20 23
blocked 12 19 27
offsides 4 4 10
fouled 20 22 52
assists 8 8 2
exp assits 3.40 5.53 2.67
passes 470 970 464
completed 408 786 361
complete % 87% 81% 78%
tackles att 37 72 46
successful 19 40 24
success % 51% 56% 52%

These stats...

 

[Timberwolf]

Cos I can't be bothered to start work yet here are some stats from last season for you all to play with - Kulus only cover his time at Spurs - some of its interesting

Kulu Maddison Zaniolo
goals 5 12 2
Expected Goals 2.69 6.64 6.00
Shots 26 72 70
on target 9 33 20
off target 5 20 23
blocked 12 19 27
offsides 4 4 10
fouled 20 22 52
assists 8 8 2
exp assits 3.40 5.53 2.67
passes 470 970 464
completed 408 786 361
complete % 87% 81% 78%
tackles att 37 72 46
successful 19 40 24
success % 51% 56% 52%

Thinks it's also very useful to include minutes played. Maddison played almost double Kulusevski's total, while Zaniolo was in-between. If you double Kulu's numbers that should give a fairer comparison with Maddison, while you can add about 20-25% to Zaniolo's.

Kulu: 1259
Maddison: 2454
Zaniolo: 1998

Got to say, Maddison's output is very impressive given his minutes and position. Almost scoring 12 - almost 1 in 2 games - as a CAM in a struggling team with an xG of 6.6 is fucking nuts (and probably not sustainable tbh).

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Thinks it's also very useful to include minutes played. Maddison played almost double Kulusevski's total, while Zaniolo was in-between. If you double Kulu's numbers that should give a fairer comparison with Maddison, while you can add about 20-25% to Zaniolo's.

Kulu: 1259
Maddison: 2454
Zaniolo: 1998

Got to say, Maddison's output is very impressive given his minutes and position. Almost scoring 12 - almost 1 in 2 games - as a CAM in a struggling team with an xG of 6.6 is fucking nuts (and probably not sustainable tbh).

It’s also worth taking into consideration the players age, Maddison is 26 in November where as Zaniolo just turned 23. Taking those stats and the age difference one can understand why Conte would be looking at Zaniolo. No reason why he couldn’t be as good or even better by 25/26 with proper coaching which is what Conte seems to believe is the case.