Jean-Clair Todibo

[Stoof]

Yep. Makes sense if we buy early in January.

Makes zero sense if we bring someone in on the 31st Jan.

Although we have 2 league games in Jan.

 

[nedley]

Although we have 2 league games in Jan.

6 points yeah.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Although we have 2 league games in Jan.

We will need to get the new signing up to speed with our tactics though.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Yep. Makes sense if we buy early in January.

Makes zero sense if we bring someone in on the 31st Jan.

All other things being equal, yes, but the other side might need to agree an incoming, and the difference in price might be material.

I’m not trying to be difficult - I’d obviously love to bring someone in immediately, and for the right price. But it’s not always straight forward

 

[14/04/91]

I don’t understand those urging caution. We knew in September we were light, this was massively exacerbated when Vdv got injured and worsened further still with today’s news.
This isn’t an unlucky situation that’s come from nowhere.

Those saying ‘don’t panic it’s only a few games’ are missing the point. We’ve already had more than a few games; we lost points to Wolves, Villa & West Ham because of a make-do back line. More dropped points against United & Brentford could scupper top 4.
Also this assumes Romero & VdV coming back and playing 90 mins every game on the back of hamstring injuries.

We’re not starting from scratch. We should have had a definitive list of CB targets from September; that may have changed slightly but we should be ready to push the button asap. If a club charges us more given our situation, that’s our own fault for getting to desperation levels.
If we baulk at a fee and end up leaving it til 31st Jan, that will be dangerous.

 

[Styopa]

I don’t understand those urging caution. We knew in September we were light, this was massively exacerbated when Vdv got injured and worsened further still with today’s news.
This isn’t an unlucky situation that’s come from nowhere.

Those saying ‘don’t panic it’s only a few games’ are missing the point. We’ve already had more than a few games; we lost points to Wolves, Villa & West Ham because of a make-do back line. More dropped points against United & Brentford could scupper top 4.
Also this assumes Romero & VdV coming back and playing 90 mins every game on the back of hamstring injuries.

We’re not starting from scratch. We should have had a definitive list of CB targets from September; that may have changed slightly but we should be ready to push the button asap. If a club charges us more given our situation, that’s our own fault for getting to desperation levels.
If we baulk at a fee and end up leaving it til 31st Jan, that will be dangerous.

Totally agree. Whilst arguably, we have been a bit unlucky with injuries, it’s a bit like me saying I was unlucky enough to have my car stolen last night and because I didn’t bother to insure it I don’t know how I’m going to get around. Yeah having my car stolen may be unlucky, but not insuring it is on me.

 

[Hercules]

I don’t understand those urging caution. We knew in September we were light, this was massively exacerbated when Vdv got injured and worsened further still with today’s news.
This isn’t an unlucky situation that’s come from nowhere.

Those saying ‘don’t panic it’s only a few games’ are missing the point. We’ve already had more than a few games; we lost points to Wolves, Villa & West Ham because of a make-do back line. More dropped points against United & Brentford could scupper top 4.
Also this assumes Romero & VdV coming back and playing 90 mins every game on the back of hamstring injuries.

We’re not starting from scratch. We should have had a definitive list of CB targets from September; that may have changed slightly but we should be ready to push the button asap. If a club charges us more given our situation, that’s our own fault for getting to desperation levels.
If we baulk at a fee and end up leaving it til 31st Jan, that will be dangerous.

 

[Stoof]

I don’t understand those urging caution. We knew in September we were light, this was massively exacerbated when Vdv got injured and worsened further still with today’s news.
This isn’t an unlucky situation that’s come from nowhere.

Those saying ‘don’t panic it’s only a few games’ are missing the point. We’ve already had more than a few games; we lost points to Wolves, Villa & West Ham because of a make-do back line. More dropped points against United & Brentford could scupper top 4.
Also this assumes Romero & VdV coming back and playing 90 mins every game on the back of hamstring injuries.

We’re not starting from scratch. We should have had a definitive list of CB targets from September; that may have changed slightly but we should be ready to push the button asap. If a club charges us more given our situation, that’s our own fault for getting to desperation levels.
If we baulk at a fee and end up leaving it til 31st Jan, that will be dangerous.

I’m not missing the point at all. I’m saying I’d rather have the best centre back for the next 5 years rather than getting one in for Brentford at home. That’s not missing the point, it’s not being transfixed with the short term.

We also didn’t lose points because of our defence in those games. We lost games because of our failure to take the bundles of chances we’ve had.

 

[14/04/91]

I’m not missing the point at all. I’m saying I’d rather have the best centre back for the next 5 years rather than getting one in for Brentford at home. That’s not missing the point, it’s not being transfixed with the short term.

We also didn’t lose points because of our defence in those games. We lost games because of our failure to take the bundles of chances we’ve had.

But we should already have that centre back lined up. It’s not a case of getting a Ryan Nelson in. We’ve known for months that we need a third top drawer cb and anyone thinking we could or should wait til the summer are ignoring what an opportunity we have this season.
It’s not Brentford in isolation. Say we wait til summer (when options are greater) and Romero &/or VdV’s hammy goes again in Feb??
We are criminally short in a key position and a top club would strengthen now.

 

[nedley]

I don’t understand those urging caution. We knew in September we were light, this was massively exacerbated when Vdv got injured and worsened further still with today’s news.
This isn’t an unlucky situation that’s come from nowhere.

Those saying ‘don’t panic it’s only a few games’ are missing the point. We’ve already had more than a few games; we lost points to Wolves, Villa & West Ham because of a make-do back line. More dropped points against United & Brentford could scupper top 4.
Also this assumes Romero & VdV coming back and playing 90 mins every game on the back of hamstring injuries.

We’re not starting from scratch. We should have had a definitive list of CB targets from September; that may have changed slightly but we should be ready to push the button asap. If a club charges us more given our situation, that’s our own fault for getting to desperation levels.
If we baulk at a fee and end up leaving it til 31st Jan, that will be dangerous.

Wonderful post.

 

[Stoof]

But we should already have that centre back lined up. It’s not a case of getting a Ryan Nelson in. We’ve known for months that we need a third top drawer cb and anyone thinking we could or should wait til the summer are ignoring what an opportunity we have this season.
It’s not Brentford in isolation. Say we wait til summer (when options are greater) and Romero &/or VdV’s hammy goes again in Feb??
We are criminally short in a key position and a top club would strengthen now.

You were making the point about the timing in this window. We need a CB - all the signs are pointing towards that. I was suggesting there’s no major alarm if it doesn’t happen at 00:01 on Monday.

 

[nedley]

I’m not missing the point at all. I’m saying I’d rather have the best centre back for the next 5 years rather than getting one in for Brentford at home. That’s not missing the point, it’s not being transfixed with the short term.

We also didn’t lose points because of our defence in those games. We lost games because of our failure to take the bundles of chances we’ve had.

We also conceded goals that lost us the games.

It's a team game. We lost the game due to the team.

Not the strikers.

 

[Stoof]

We also conceded goals that lost us the games.

It's a team game. We lost the game due to the team.

Not the strikers.

I disagree mate. But to the point at hand, we agree we need a CB this window. There’s no need for anyone (not suggesting you necessarily are) to get concerned if he’s not there straight away.

Get concerned if he’s not there and it’s February!!

 

[McFlash]

I don’t understand those urging caution. We knew in September we were light, this was massively exacerbated when Vdv got injured and worsened further still with today’s news.
This isn’t an unlucky situation that’s come from nowhere.

Those saying ‘don’t panic it’s only a few games’ are missing the point. We’ve already had more than a few games; we lost points to Wolves, Villa & West Ham because of a make-do back line. More dropped points against United & Brentford could scupper top 4.
Also this assumes Romero & VdV coming back and playing 90 mins every game on the back of hamstring injuries.

We’re not starting from scratch. We should have had a definitive list of CB targets from September; that may have changed slightly but we should be ready to push the button asap. If a club charges us more given our situation, that’s our own fault for getting to desperation levels.
If we baulk at a fee and end up leaving it til 31st Jan, that will be dangerous.

I kind of hate to say this but fuck it, I'm going to anyway .
Ange has said we need to get players in early, so maybe we should wait and see what happens before leaping to all sorts of 'what ifs'.

If we haven't got a CB in within the first 10 to 14 days of the window, then by all means, we can all start screaming and shouting but at the moment, we have no idea what the club is planning.

I really don't think we need people losing their shit if we haven't signed someone by the 2nd January.

 

[only1waddle]

I kind of hate to say this but fuck it, I'm going to anyway .
Ange has said we need to get players in early, so maybe we should wait and see what happens before leaping to all sorts of 'what ifs'.

If we haven't got a CB in within the first 10 to 14 days of the window, then by all means, we can all start screaming and shouting but at the moment, we have no idea what the club is planning.

I really don't think we need people losing their shit if we haven't signed someone by the 2nd January.

What about the 3rd?

 

[nedley]

I disagree mate. But to the point at hand, we agree we need a CB this window. There’s no need for anyone (not suggesting you necessarily are) to get concerned if he’s not there straight away.

Get concerned if he’s not there and it’s February!!

Sorry.

I was concerned he wasn't here on September 1st.

But each to their own.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

I disagree mate. But to the point at hand, we agree we need a CB this window. There’s no need for anyone (not suggesting you necessarily are) to get concerned if he’s not there straight away.

Get concerned if he’s not there and it’s February!!

Don’t think Postecoglu agrees with that.

 

[McFlash]

Sorry.

I was concerned he wasn't here on September 1st.

But each to their own.

Was that before or after Ange agreed to let Sanchez go?
He took the gamble to clear the squad of a player that didn't suit his team and although that may have backfired, I don't at all blame him for making the decision.
We need to rebuild the squad and to do that, we need to sell players in what is a clearly restricted market.

To be quite honest, it back him if he did the same again this month, in leaving us somewhat short.
We've got a big rebuild in our hands and we're never going to accomplish that if we keep holding onto players the boss doesn't want, "just in case".

Clear the decks and start again and if that means suffering in the short term, I can cope with that.
It was never going to be a quick fix with the state we were left in after the past 5 years.

 

[WiganSpur]

I don’t understand those urging caution. We knew in September we were light, this was massively exacerbated when Vdv got injured and worsened further still with today’s news.
This isn’t an unlucky situation that’s come from nowhere.

Those saying ‘don’t panic it’s only a few games’ are missing the point. We’ve already had more than a few games; we lost points to Wolves, Villa & West Ham because of a make-do back line. More dropped points against United & Brentford could scupper top 4.
Also this assumes Romero & VdV coming back and playing 90 mins every game on the back of hamstring injuries.

We’re not starting from scratch. We should have had a definitive list of CB targets from September; that may have changed slightly but we should be ready to push the button asap. If a club charges us more given our situation, that’s our own fault for getting to desperation levels.
If we baulk at a fee and end up leaving it til 31st Jan, that will be dangerous.

It's how we operate. Sure we've seen changes on the profile of players we're targeting but what makes you think it'll be any different on the operational side? FWIW I think we'll get a CB but it will be the usual game of poker type job similar to the Porro deal. If we make any other signings they'll be cheap opportunities in the mould of Manor Solomon.

We will have to make do with Dier and Davies until we go to Goodison. Levy will not care one bit if that costs us the top 4. Ange hasn't shown any willingness at all to give Ash Phillips or Dorrington a run. Honestly think he'd start Emerson and Hojbjerg at CB over them.

 

[FloridaSpur]

That's not my point.

My point is if we brought in another CB in summer like we should have, Romero and VDV would have been rotated or at least rested.

It's not about hindsight.

We were short on September 1st and this, with our luck was relatively predictable.

Ange has made it clear on more than one occasion that it is going to take more than one TW to bring in the players he wants in order to shape the squad.

Sure we could have brought on a CB in the Summer, but if the number one or two target wasn't close to coming in, then why settle for a player that didn't suit us just for the sake of it?

Ange knew that Davies (and we had Dier) could play at CB, so the bottom line was that he did sign the players we needed in positions where the players suited Ange's style.

Didn't seven come in?

We are now sitting fifth with our game today at Brighton, and likely new signings a week or so away, Ange can't account for a poor run of i juries and suspensions can he?